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Victor Davis Hanson: With a Whimper. How the violence in Iraq will end.
NRO ^ | October 21, 2005 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 10/21/2005 5:40:01 AM PDT by Tolik

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To: Tolik

Once we capture Bin Laden and/or Zarqawi, the public mood in America will get much better regarding the war on terror in general and the war in Iraq in particular.


21 posted on 10/21/2005 7:51:36 AM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
So when this is all over — and it will be more quickly than we imagine — there will be a viable constitutional government in Iraq. But the achievement will be considered either a natural organic process, or adopted as a success by former critics only at its safe, penultimate stage.

Which is exactly what the left has tried to do with Reagan's success in defeating Communism.

22 posted on 10/21/2005 8:06:48 AM PDT by carolinablonde (Proud member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy)
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To: Tolik

What a project! Compiling all of the media lies about the Iraq war.

If done, it would rival the size of the compilation of Alamo-girl's Clinton files.


23 posted on 10/21/2005 8:34:53 AM PDT by listenhillary (The MEDIA is NOT a branch of government)
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To: Tolik

Thanks for the ping, I was wondering when he was going to chime in about the election, have been looking for this piece all week.

I have a friend who is re-enlisting for the third time. He served as personal protection for Allawi in his second deployment, and is now going back in November for a third round as Wyoming National Guard.

He is simply a hero!

Here is my blog entry on the election:

http://www.naturalfamilyblog.com/archives/000081.html

Let Freedom Ring.

Jenny


24 posted on 10/21/2005 9:07:29 AM PDT by Jenny Hatch (Go Iraq Go!)
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To: TheGeezer

I only visited DU a couple of times and that has been awhile but my impression was it was just a bunch of loud mouthed kids trying to out radicalize each other. I consider them a gathering place for useful idiots.

Now Soros, the Clintons, and the old DNC operatives, Dean is just for contrast, are truly dangerous. They are shrewd, unprincipled and extremely ambitious. Most of the MSM are useful idiots as are the Hollywood bunch. They are a source of financing and free propaganda. Labor uniopns are other Communist operatives who supply lots of money and support.


25 posted on 10/21/2005 10:00:06 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: jveritas
Once we capture Bin Laden and/or Zarqawi, the public mood in America will get much better regarding the war on terror in general and the war in Iraq in particular.

Agreed. To a point. Who would have thought that Sadaam Hussein would have ever been molded into a human rights rallying point as the victim? These same people will find a way to turn Bin Laden and Zarqawi into martyrs as well (guaranteed, you heard it here first)

No amount of pictures of mass graves, depositions of witnesses and victims of actual torture, beheading video's etc.. will convince people who are willing to twist the facts and lie about anything no matter how horrendous just so they can fall on an imaginary sword.
26 posted on 10/21/2005 10:05:08 AM PDT by contemplator (Capitalism gets no Rock Concerts)
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To: contemplator
Agreed; however these people will not amount to the majority of the public and more importantly to the majority of voters.
27 posted on 10/21/2005 10:09:06 AM PDT by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: carolinablonde
Which is exactly what the left has tried to do with Reagan's success in defeating Communism.

That is an excellent example but they do it so often we now consider it background noise. Every success by a Republican administration is yawned at and ignored, often not even reported, while every perceived pimple is ballyhooed as terminal cancer.

Not many years ago their tactics were considered novelties and were discussed, if at all, in conservative think tanks and intellectual publications. They were rarely described to the masses. Now their tactics have become a constant drumbeat of everyday life. Those pointing them out, us, are labeled right wing kooks. That is why they are trying to censor the internet and silence talk radio.

Their present strategy is to paint Republicans as a "culture of corruption" and enforce the idea with numerous accusations and investigations. Their ace in the hole will be election fraud while screaming that the Republicans are trying to steal another election.

28 posted on 10/21/2005 10:14:53 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: contemplator

They will attempt to turn the Saddam trial into a media circus that will put the O.J. trial to shame. Let's hope the Iraqi judges control the process better than Ito.


29 posted on 10/21/2005 10:19:09 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: Tolik

this is good. thanks for the ping.


30 posted on 10/21/2005 11:52:14 AM PDT by King Prout (like flies to wanton boys are trolls to the Mods - they ZOT 'em for their sport.)
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To: Tolik
Victor Davis Hanson Ping !

Put me on, he is one of my favorites.

31 posted on 10/21/2005 12:09:06 PM PDT by oldbrowser (A living, breathing constitution is a usurpation of the people's sovereignty.)
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To: Tolik
The Western media was relatively quiet about the quite amazing news from the recent trifecta in Iraq: very little violence on election day, Sunni participation, and approval of the constitution.

MSM ignored how rapidly the successful end is approaching.

32 posted on 10/21/2005 12:52:06 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
Of course you and Hanson are right.

The Left--and notably the Leftist "Mainstream Newsmedia"--has an agenda, and it is not Truth.

The only decent and honorable agenda of any news organization or journalist is Truth for its own sake.

Unfortunately, Truth conflicts with the agenda of the American "Mainstream Newsmedia" and its so-called "journalists", and, for this reason alone, they have and will always have only the contempt of decent, truth loving people, who are and will be the majority.

33 posted on 10/21/2005 1:07:34 PM PDT by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: carolinablonde

Perfect analogy.


34 posted on 10/21/2005 4:50:55 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: ncountylee

I love to read old newspapers to get the conventional wisdom at a particular time. It's amazing how far off some of them were and still are.


35 posted on 10/21/2005 4:54:45 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Tolik
Best article I've read in weeks.

Fwd to the various leftists at KGO radio, S.F..

36 posted on 10/21/2005 5:08:36 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
...my impression was it was just a bunch of loud mouthed kids trying to out radicalize each other.

Excellent point. When I do wander over - for the same reasons one might gaze fearfully at a horrible car wreck on a highway - it takes me a few minutes to realize that what I'm reading is most likely being written by "politically active" juveniles.

That kinda puts it all in perspective.

37 posted on 10/22/2005 4:09:56 AM PDT by StatenIsland
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