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Gun Safety for Iraqis
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htinf/articles/20051021.aspx ^ | October 21, 2005

Posted on 10/22/2005 5:05:47 PM PDT by strategofr

One interesting thing Americans discovered, while training Iraqi troops, is that most Iraqi men tend to be very familiar with firearms, especially the Russian AK-series. The country is cursed with an abundance of rifles and assault guns.

In some regions, these weapons are so common that even boys of 12 or so may have one. One would think that this would make training them relatively easy, but in fact it doesn’t. While Iraqi recruits tend to know a lot about firearms, even to the extent that they can maintain them reasonably well, they don’t know a thing about weapons safety.

Consider the Arab custom of firing their weapons into the air on happy occasions (they are called “joy bullets” in Arabic), often with deadly consequences. When someone is killed or injured by the bullets that, inevitably come back to earth, the injury is shrugged off, or blamed on a handy enemy (Palestinians blame Israelis, some Iraqis blame any armed foreigners in the vicinity, or nearby Iraqis they don't get along with).

Thus, American trainers quickly learned that safety training is very important for Iraqi recruits. Indeed, it was found that gun safety training needed far more emphasis for Iraqi troops than for Americans, who live in a culture of safety. Resistance to safety training by Iraqi recruits is pretty high, at least initially.

But once they understand the purpose, they become surprisingly good students, perhaps because they all know someone who lost a goat or a family member to a bullet that was simply obeying the law of gravity. The presence of Egyptian or Jordanian trainers is particularly helpful in accelerating the process of getting Iraqi recruits to accept firearms safety; as brother Arabs and Moslems. In this case there’s less resistance to an “infidel” notion of being careful while using assault rifles.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; iraq
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1 posted on 10/22/2005 5:05:48 PM PDT by strategofr
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To: strategofr

First lesson I learned about guns. "Don't point that damn thing at anything or anyone you don't intend to shoot"! The lesson was reinforced if need be with physical reminders.


2 posted on 10/22/2005 5:12:04 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: strategofr
The country is cursed with an abundance of rifles and assault guns.

"Cursed"?

3 posted on 10/22/2005 5:14:28 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: saganite

My dad talk me about firearm safety when I was growing up. I became much more safe after attending a course at Front Sight Firearm Training Institute. I would recommend anyone who owns a gun take a course there. They will only train you if you have a clean background though.


4 posted on 10/22/2005 5:18:18 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: inquest
First lesson I learned about guns. "Don't point that damn thing at anything or anyone you don't intend to shoot"! The lesson was reinforced if need be with physical reminders.

while this is a good lesson its not really too relevent in the situation...actually, these people are pointing at what they want to shoot, the sky. They don't quite understand that they will come down again.

5 posted on 10/22/2005 5:19:34 PM PDT by kanecorp
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To: kanecorp; saganite
Not that I objected to your posting to me, but I think you meant #5 for saganite, not me.

By the way, I think they do understand the physics of it. It's like any stupid thing people do anywhere. Once you grab them by the shoulders and say "Yo! Stupido!", they start to get it, as the article illustrates.

6 posted on 10/22/2005 5:23:50 PM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: strategofr

*sigh*
DA RULES:
1. ALL guns are ALWAYS loaded - even if you just visually confirmed that it isn't, it still is.
2. Never point a gun at anything you'd mind blowing a hole in. In general, that means keep it pointed down and front, away from all living things.
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire - that means keep it out of the trigger-guard entirely until you are fixing to shoot.
4. Be sure of your target, what is between you and your target, and what is behind your target
5. Stand properly, breathe properly, AIM properly, and squeeze the trigger - let the BANG surprise you

gee... not so difficult


7 posted on 10/22/2005 5:43:04 PM PDT by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: strategofr

perhaps because they all know someone who lost a goat or a family member to a bullet ...

or perhaps a goat who WAS a family member...


8 posted on 10/22/2005 5:54:32 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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--recalling reading that one of the problems in training Afgans was their reluctance to align the sights of the weapon, I wonder if this is true of Iraqis as well?


9 posted on 10/22/2005 5:55:12 PM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: kanecorp

I wonder how much kinetic energy a round from an AK has, after being fired straight up??? Probably would be lethal...


10 posted on 10/22/2005 5:55:16 PM PDT by msf92497 (The most dangerous place to be is in a "mothers" womb.)
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To: msf92497
--nope--small arms ammo coming straight down rarely will do anything but bruise--it's tumbling and has little energy --

(My source is Hatchers Notebook)---

11 posted on 10/22/2005 5:59:20 PM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: rellimpank

Thanks! Urban legends...sheesh...


12 posted on 10/22/2005 6:01:00 PM PDT by msf92497 (The most dangerous place to be is in a "mothers" womb.)
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--the "straight up" is the key part--the stuff that does the damage in Detroit, etc., New Years Eve isn't fired straight up and remains lethal---


13 posted on 10/22/2005 6:03:13 PM PDT by rellimpank (urbanites don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm:NRABenefactor)
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To: King Prout
2. Never point a gun at anything you'd mind blowing a hole in. In general, that means keep it pointed down and front, away from all living things.

Two years ago, one of my co-workers was out rabbit hunting with a 410 shotgun. He didn't have the safety on, and as he was climbing over a fence, he pulled the trigger, hitting himself in the foot. Fortunately, it was only a 410, so the shell wasn't very large, and the range was less than eighteen inches, so the shot didn't have much of a chance to disperse before hitting him, creating a relatively small hole instead of a large one. The injury still required eighteen plus days in the hospital, three rounds of surgery, and continuing physical therapy.

14 posted on 10/22/2005 6:06:55 PM PDT by Stonewall Jackson ("Those who fail to study history are doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past.")
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To: Stonewall Jackson

*kaff*

"in general"


15 posted on 10/22/2005 6:09:03 PM PDT by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout; strategofr
Not this.


16 posted on 10/22/2005 6:13:28 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

*sigh*
if only it had gone off...


17 posted on 10/22/2005 6:18:53 PM PDT by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: msf92497

>I wonder how much kinetic energy a round from an AK has, >after being fired straight up??? Probably would be lethal..

Same velocity as when it left the barrel minus air resistance. First Year Newtonian Physics.


18 posted on 10/22/2005 6:20:48 PM PDT by rasblue
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To: rasblue

not that simple

"point-first and spinning" is a lot more dangerous than is "butt-first and tumbling"


19 posted on 10/22/2005 6:27:20 PM PDT by King Prout (many accuse me of being overly literal... this would not be a problem if many were not under-precise)
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To: King Prout

How about a round musket ball?


20 posted on 10/22/2005 6:38:43 PM PDT by nralife
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