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A Shrinking New Orleans
Washington Post ^ | October 26, 2005 | Ceci Connolly and Manuel Roig-Franzia

Posted on 10/26/2005 7:05:32 AM PDT by robowombat

A Shrinking New Orleans Mayor Says Infrastructure Can't Support Previous Population

By Ceci Connolly and Manuel Roig-Franzia Washington Post Staff Writers Wednesday, October 26, 2005; A02

NEW ORLEANS, Oct. 25 -- Mayor C. Ray Nagin, who has vowed to resurrect his crippled city, conceded Tuesday that New Orleans will shrink to nearly half its pre-hurricane population and will have to make do with one-third of its previous budget.

With as many as 250,000 homes uninhabitable and some neighborhoods still lacking basic services, Nagin estimated the city's shattered infrastructure could support 250,000 to 300,000 residents over the next year, compared with the half a million people who lived here before Hurricane Katrina struck Aug. 29.

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In a city that was 67 percent African American, Nagin won by dominating the vote in majority white districts. Many of those make up the "geographic footprint" he has identified for repopulating after the hurricane, including the Garden District, the French Quarter and Uptown.

Even the election has become entangled in disaster recovery. Federal authorities have denied requests for the addresses of Katrina evacuees. City and state officials are battling with federal authorities over the release of addresses of evacuees that could be used in absentee balloting.

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The mayor's staff has identified more than a half-dozen locations that he said could support 4,000 trailers. FEMA housing expert James McIntyre said the agency has approved construction of sites to handle more than 1,700 trailers. Trailers will be placed in the parking lot of Touro hospital, three city parks, public school property and a former Winn-Dixie parking lot. The first few thousand units will be set aside for people involved in the reconstruction, Nagin said.

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1 posted on 10/26/2005 7:05:32 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat

The first thing the remaining people of NO should do is recall Nagin and elect a no-nonsense mayor who can develop and execute a plan of redevelopment.


2 posted on 10/26/2005 7:09:39 AM PDT by playball0
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To: robowombat
FEMA housing expert James McIntyre said the agency has approved construction of sites to handle more than 1,700 trailers.

Isn't that a sure way to invite another hurricane or tornado?
3 posted on 10/26/2005 7:12:38 AM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: robowombat

The French Quarter may be safer...


4 posted on 10/26/2005 7:16:17 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: robowombat

"New Orleans will shrink to nearly half its pre-hurricane population...one-third of its previous budget..."

...and one quarter of its pre-Katrina number of registered voters.


5 posted on 10/26/2005 7:16:19 AM PDT by happyathome
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To: robowombat
In a city that was 67 percent African American, Nagin won by dominating the vote in majority white districts.

Thats BS, but whole city is democrat anyway.

6 posted on 10/26/2005 7:16:26 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: robowombat

Might be worth moving to N'awlins now ;)


7 posted on 10/26/2005 7:16:55 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: robowombat

First thing I noticed was Ceci Connelly's byline on this article. I forgot about her; she was so laughably stupid and inept on the Fox News roundtables and panels. She just repeated liberal talking points. Maybe Juan Williams got her the job to make him look smarter.


8 posted on 10/26/2005 7:19:15 AM PDT by GianniV
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To: playball0

The people of Louisiana and New Orleans will not lift a finger against failure Democrats Kathleen Blanco and Ray Nagin. They elected these morons that have brought 11.5% unemployment to the state of Louisiana. They can now live with them and all the past and future mistakes they will thrust upon Louisiana. N.O. is going nowhere as long as Ray Nagin is the Mayor of "Poverty Central". Big difference between the way Texas, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida handled their hurricanes and the aftermath. I guess Republican, proactive, effective State and local leadership makes a difference. Louisana as a state is now the number one bottom feeder!!! Too bad the folks in Louisiana can't muster up the guts to throw this Democrat vermin into the street where they rightfully belong.


9 posted on 10/26/2005 7:19:26 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: playball0

Give me your suggestions for rebuilding the City of New Orleans and I'll forward them to the Mayor. It seems everyone is quick to criticize and short on suggestions.


10 posted on 10/26/2005 7:20:29 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: robowombat
"Federal authorities have denied requests for the addresses of Katrina evacuees."

ROTFL! Now THAT makes me smile.

11 posted on 10/26/2005 7:22:04 AM PDT by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

"Big difference between the way Texas, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida handled their hurricanes and the aftermath"

Could you please catalog those "Big differences" in the way Texas, et all handled the aftermath of the hurricanes. I'd love to see the differences.


12 posted on 10/26/2005 7:23:48 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Thats BS, but whole city is democrat anyway.
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Well they got what they ordered, these Dems did! Incompetence, corruption, no planning, no readiness, anything but respectable, functional government.

Vote Democrat -- see what happens!?


13 posted on 10/26/2005 7:26:35 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Prolifeconservative
Give me your suggestions for rebuilding the City of New Orleans and I'll forward them to the Mayor. It seems everyone is quick to criticize and short on suggestions.

The ocean on one side a major lake on the other, adjacent to one of the world's great rivers, a foundation on river delta silt in "hurricane country" ....and BELOW SEA LEVEL.....??!!!

You want a suggestion??

FILL IT IN and MOVE ON!

14 posted on 10/26/2005 7:31:08 AM PDT by Bob Eimiller (Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Leahy, Kucinich, Durbin Pro Abort Catholics Excommunication?)
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To: robowombat

Na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye!


15 posted on 10/26/2005 7:32:08 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Bob Eimiller

"Fill it in and Move on"

What? Do you not know N.O. is a major port? Do you not know midwestern farmers count on our port? Are you not aware of the oil and gas this area provides for the economic engine of the U.S.? I guess we could fill it in, then everyone will be bitchin' about their 7 dollar a gallon gas!


16 posted on 10/26/2005 7:45:10 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: playball0

The first thing the people of NO should do is move to higher ground - say above sea level?


17 posted on 10/26/2005 7:46:25 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: robowombat
What happened into the investigation of the 'phantom' police workers and city employees?
I am guessing a lot of residents weren't real either- but collectiong federal money

18 posted on 10/26/2005 7:46:54 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: robowombat
What happened into the investigation of the 'phantom' police workers and city employees?
I am guessing a lot of residents weren't real either- but collecting federal money

19 posted on 10/26/2005 7:47:11 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help...)
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To: Prolifeconservative
Give me your suggestions for rebuilding the City of New Orleans and I'll forward them to the Mayor. It seems everyone is quick to criticize and short on suggestions.

Replace below sea level neighborhoods with parks or golf courses or other super-low density stuff that can be flooded without risk of human life. Do not rebuild high density housing in below sea level areas. 2000 dead is not a reasonable price to pay every 20 years. Public housing residents should be offered jobs in more vibrant economies around the state, or failing that in other cities that are not surrounded by high water.

20 posted on 10/26/2005 7:49:29 AM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Prolifeconservative

The US needs a major port at or near the mouth of the Mississippi.

That is needs to be located precisely where the Port of NO was prior to Katrina is by no means as obvious.

It is at least arguable that applying the sum of money that will be spent on repairing NO to building a new city and port at a more defensible location would be more logical.


21 posted on 10/26/2005 7:51:51 AM PDT by Restorer (Illegitimati non carborundum)
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To: playball0

I disagree. Let ol' New Orleans sink into its own blackhole. Better that than my tax dollars into yet another welfare black tax hole.


22 posted on 10/26/2005 7:52:27 AM PDT by dhuffman@awod.com (The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.)
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To: Prolifeconservative

Simple and verifiable: Proactive before, Proactive after on a state and local level. Louisiana, Both the Democrat Governor and the Demcorat Mayor didn't have a clue. Neither have an ounce of leadership ability in their bodies. There is no comparison between Governor's Jeb Bush, Rick Perry, Haley Barbour, Bob Riley and that incompetent Democrat Governor, Kathleen Blanco. Believe me, give it time and the truth will opt out about these two misfits that Louisiana elected. At the end of the day they are really not the problem. The problem rests with the citizens and voters of Louisiana. They are getting just what they voted for!!!


23 posted on 10/26/2005 7:55:33 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: robowombat

"New Orleans will shrink to nearly half its pre-hurricane population and will have to make do with one-third of its previous budget."


Does this make any sense? Was the tax base that heavily weighted towards the poor?


24 posted on 10/26/2005 7:57:37 AM PDT by steelie (Still Right Thinking)
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To: steelie

Oh, I get it! Outside tax subsities filled the city coffers!


25 posted on 10/26/2005 7:59:47 AM PDT by steelie (Still Right Thinking)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

"They are getting just what they voted for!!!"

Nope. Only 55% of the electorate is getting just what they voted for.


26 posted on 10/26/2005 8:01:17 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: happyathome
"In a city that was 67 percent African American, Nagin won by dominating the vote in majority white districts. Many of those make up the "geographic footprint" he has identified for repopulating after the hurricane, including the Garden District, the French Quarter and Uptown."

Those areas identified for repopulation are the cities bread and butter (i.e. tourist and/or tax revenue).

If the authors are implying that Nagin has identified these areas in order to get re-elected, even he isn't that dumb.

Their will be plenty of people from both parties to contest him next election. The Dumrats might be sticking by him thru this (in order to look like they're all one big happy family to get that $250 billion), but they won't support him for reelection.
27 posted on 10/26/2005 8:07:53 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Prolifeconservative

True! Actually things will change for the positive in Louisiana, the politics of the state will be altered significantly over the next few years by the the Hispanic influx and the destruction of Nagin's Democrat "Poverty Central" catered to and supported by the Congressional Black Caucus and the Democrat Party. A "sea change" is afoot.


28 posted on 10/26/2005 8:08:18 AM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: playball0

Talked with a person who has relatives in NO. I asked what they thought of Nagin, the answer: "they like him". This person went on to say Bush should have done something, and obviously blamed any problems suffered in NO on Bush, not the local corrupt politics. There is no help for people like this, they would miss cancer if they were cured.


29 posted on 10/26/2005 8:08:27 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: Jack Black

Good suggestions. But those things are going to happen anyway if the Free market gets to decide.

Individuals are still waiting to hear on the code to rebuild. Do they need to raise their foundations? Will insurance cover them? Will our local government allow them to rebuild? What about our Federal Government....are they going to put further restrictions on the rebuilding process in exchange for Fed dollars. Meanwhile, residents wait and wait and wait on all these factions of governemnt to get their crap figured out. There is a logistics nightmare here that the rest of the country fails to realize and it's all tied up in local, State, and FEDERAL beauracracy, red tape, Fema, etc.


30 posted on 10/26/2005 8:08:55 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: Prolifeconservative
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Louisiana

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Texas

Any further questions?
31 posted on 10/26/2005 8:10:26 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (The GOP needs to be made to toe the conservative line, not the other way around.)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX

"A "sea change" is afoot."

That's what the good people of Lousiana want to believe. On the political side of things,.....there are people already second-guessing their vote for Blanco when we could have had a super conservative stalwart in the name of Bobby Jindal. We hope he runs again.



32 posted on 10/26/2005 8:12:36 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: TXBSAFH

"Any further questions?"

Yeah, how are you so sure that's Heineken? It could be Grolsch you know.........


33 posted on 10/26/2005 8:14:19 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: Prolifeconservative

No, it's heineken alright.


34 posted on 10/26/2005 8:15:58 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (The GOP needs to be made to toe the conservative line, not the other way around.)
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To: Prolifeconservative
Give me your suggestions for rebuilding the City of New Orleans and I'll forward them to the Mayor.

Anybody who wants to live in New Orleans should put their money where their mouth is and rebuild it themselves. Then they can rebuild it anyway they want. And get some insurance while they're at it.

Why should we have to pay to rebuild it?

35 posted on 10/26/2005 8:24:43 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: pepperdog
Talked with a person who has relatives in NO. I asked what they thought of Nagin, the answer: "they like him".

Of course they like him. Compared to Morial, he is a saint.

36 posted on 10/26/2005 8:25:11 AM PDT by sportutegrl (People who say, "All I know is . . ." really mean, "All I want you to focus on is . . .")
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To: Prolifeconservative
There is a logistics nightmare here that the rest of the country fails to realize and it's all tied up in local, State, and FEDERAL beauracracy, red tape, Fema, etc.

I just spent 10 days working in a Red Cross shelter in Monroe, LA. Though the population of the shelter was small and shrinking quickly, I still finally got a hint of the size of this problem. Katrina/Rita meant the Red Cross provided over 22 million meals, gave over 3 million overnight stays in shelters, and mobilized over 180 thousand workers to rovide these and other services.

My point (and I do have one) is that this is one HUGE disaster. The crippling, be it never so temporary, of a city with over 800,000 residents was only part of a larger disruption extending from parts of coastal TX through coastal LA and MS, to coastal AL -- a lot of real estate and a whole lot of people.

Nobody is going to get this one right. The paradigm here is not brain surgery, it's the old aviation saying that good landing is one you walk away from (as opposed to one from which pieces of your burned corpse are carried).

I'm not disagreeing with anyone here, just venting and hoping to adumbrate. This is ajob which is worht doing badly and it's going to be done badly -- which is still way better than not doing it at all.

37 posted on 10/26/2005 8:36:39 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Allahu Fubar! (with apologies to Sheik Yerbouty))
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To: Mad Dawg

Bless you for your service to the unfortunate. I totally agree with you about the scope of this tragedy and your point that there couldn't have been a perfect response. However, the cold, hard facts won't stop the ignorant from searching for someone to blame their hardship on.


38 posted on 10/26/2005 8:48:44 AM PDT by pepperdog
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To: ladyjane

"Then they can rebuild it anyway they want. And get some insurance while they're at it."

You can't rebuild it anyway you want and expect to get "some insurance." It doesn't work that way.


39 posted on 10/26/2005 8:54:15 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: steelie

Probably commuters from the suburbs - many of whom have no jobs to return to - made up the difference.


40 posted on 10/26/2005 8:55:55 AM PDT by thoughtomator
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To: Prolifeconservative

Well maybe the insurance companies know something that the rest of them choose to ignore- namely you don't build below sea level in a hurricane prone area.

If insurance companies won't insure them the rest of us don't want to pay for their ignorance/stubborness.


41 posted on 10/26/2005 9:26:07 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Prolifeconservative; Bob Eimiller
What? Do you not know N.O. is a major port? Do you not know midwestern farmers count on our port? Are you not aware of the oil and gas this area provides for the economic engine of the U.S.? I guess we could fill it in, then everyone will be bitchin' about their 7 dollar a gallon gas!

If we are going to spend billions of dollars to rebuild we might as well do it right.

first of all the oil refineries and oil port are not dependant on the city of NO being there.

Secondly the entire flow of the Mississippi is being captured by a smaller river (there was a thread posted on it here somewhere) that runs through Morgan city. Build a set of locks where the current dam/flood gate is and let nature take it's course. Build the new port in morgan city or there abouts.

Blow the levees and let the lake expand to it's natural borders. NO is a cesspool and will remain one.

42 posted on 10/26/2005 9:30:40 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Prolifeconservative

Here is my suggestion, don't rebuild New Orleans. Any city built on a marsh, under sea level, and surrounded on three by water, shouldn't be been built in the first place.


43 posted on 10/26/2005 9:30:57 AM PDT by cpprfld (Who said accountants are boring?)
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To: pepperdog
Thanks for kind words. Serving there was a privilege.

However, the cold, hard facts won't stop the ignorant from searching for someone to blame their hardship on.

Yep, when somerthing goes wrong, the first thing to fix is the blame. PLUS, it seems an aspect of helplessness is the embracing of the notion that others, (e.g.: Mommie, teacher, the police, the government) are virtually all powerful, and so, if they don't give you what you think you need it must be because they are vicious, not because it can't be done or it would be bad for you. We have a large segment of our population, including many who vote, who are fundamentally infantile.

44 posted on 10/26/2005 10:39:43 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (Allahu Fubar! (with apologies to Sheik Yerbouty))
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To: ladyjane

"If insurance companies won't insure them the rest of us don't want to pay for their ignorance/stubborness."

As long as the Federal government underwrites Flood Policies, YOU will pay whether you like it or not. It has nothing to with ignorance or subborness. You are making a mistake when you think Flood Insurance is underwritten by private Insurance companies.


45 posted on 10/26/2005 10:40:25 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: cpprfld

Fine, let's not re-build New Orleans. Don't bitch then, when gas at the pumps exceeds $6 a gallon.


46 posted on 10/26/2005 10:42:26 AM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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To: Bob Eimiller

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled A Shrinking New Orleans, Bob Eimiller wrote:

You want a suggestion??

FILL IT IN and MOVE ON!


Okay. Now let's also abandon all cities on active geological faults (San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle), all other low-lying coastal cities (Houston, Miami, Washington, Philadelphia, Boston), all cities in river floodplains (St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Cincinnatti, Kansas City, Memphis, Minneapolis, St. Paul), and all cities in deserts without adequate water supplies (Las Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson, Salt Lake City, Albuquerque). Everyone in the United States has to move to Chicago.


47 posted on 10/26/2005 10:50:05 AM PDT by Trimegistus
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To: Prolifeconservative
How you got from my comments to your conclusions is a mystery. I never mentioned flood insurance, public or private.
48 posted on 10/26/2005 11:38:08 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: robowombat
Headline should read:

A Sinking New Orleans

49 posted on 10/26/2005 11:40:17 AM PDT by md2576 (Don't be such a Shehan Hugger!)
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To: ladyjane

I was trying to educate you a bit, so you would understand why you must pay for the rebuilding in New Orleans. Wasn't that your initial question? (And then YOU mentioned Insurance companies in your last post.) Flood Insurance is relative to your question.

Sorry I confused you. I think some of this stuff is over you head.


50 posted on 10/26/2005 12:33:00 PM PDT by Prolifeconservative (If there is another terrorist attack, the womb is a very unsafe place to hide.)
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