Skip to comments.A Shrinking New Orleans
Posted on 10/26/2005 7:05:32 AM PDT by robowombat
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The first thing the remaining people of NO should do is recall Nagin and elect a no-nonsense mayor who can develop and execute a plan of redevelopment.
The French Quarter may be safer...
"New Orleans will shrink to nearly half its pre-hurricane population...one-third of its previous budget..."
...and one quarter of its pre-Katrina number of registered voters.
Thats BS, but whole city is democrat anyway.
Might be worth moving to N'awlins now ;)
First thing I noticed was Ceci Connelly's byline on this article. I forgot about her; she was so laughably stupid and inept on the Fox News roundtables and panels. She just repeated liberal talking points. Maybe Juan Williams got her the job to make him look smarter.
The people of Louisiana and New Orleans will not lift a finger against failure Democrats Kathleen Blanco and Ray Nagin. They elected these morons that have brought 11.5% unemployment to the state of Louisiana. They can now live with them and all the past and future mistakes they will thrust upon Louisiana. N.O. is going nowhere as long as Ray Nagin is the Mayor of "Poverty Central". Big difference between the way Texas, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida handled their hurricanes and the aftermath. I guess Republican, proactive, effective State and local leadership makes a difference. Louisana as a state is now the number one bottom feeder!!! Too bad the folks in Louisiana can't muster up the guts to throw this Democrat vermin into the street where they rightfully belong.
Give me your suggestions for rebuilding the City of New Orleans and I'll forward them to the Mayor. It seems everyone is quick to criticize and short on suggestions.
ROTFL! Now THAT makes me smile.
"Big difference between the way Texas, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida handled their hurricanes and the aftermath"
Could you please catalog those "Big differences" in the way Texas, et all handled the aftermath of the hurricanes. I'd love to see the differences.
Thats BS, but whole city is democrat anyway.
Well they got what they ordered, these Dems did! Incompetence, corruption, no planning, no readiness, anything but respectable, functional government.
Vote Democrat -- see what happens!?
The ocean on one side a major lake on the other, adjacent to one of the world's great rivers, a foundation on river delta silt in "hurricane country" ....and BELOW SEA LEVEL.....??!!!
You want a suggestion??
FILL IT IN and MOVE ON!
Na na na na, hey hey hey, goodbye!
"Fill it in and Move on"
What? Do you not know N.O. is a major port? Do you not know midwestern farmers count on our port? Are you not aware of the oil and gas this area provides for the economic engine of the U.S.? I guess we could fill it in, then everyone will be bitchin' about their 7 dollar a gallon gas!
The first thing the people of NO should do is move to higher ground - say above sea level?
Replace below sea level neighborhoods with parks or golf courses or other super-low density stuff that can be flooded without risk of human life. Do not rebuild high density housing in below sea level areas. 2000 dead is not a reasonable price to pay every 20 years. Public housing residents should be offered jobs in more vibrant economies around the state, or failing that in other cities that are not surrounded by high water.
The US needs a major port at or near the mouth of the Mississippi.
That is needs to be located precisely where the Port of NO was prior to Katrina is by no means as obvious.
It is at least arguable that applying the sum of money that will be spent on repairing NO to building a new city and port at a more defensible location would be more logical.
I disagree. Let ol' New Orleans sink into its own blackhole. Better that than my tax dollars into yet another welfare black tax hole.
Simple and verifiable: Proactive before, Proactive after on a state and local level. Louisiana, Both the Democrat Governor and the Demcorat Mayor didn't have a clue. Neither have an ounce of leadership ability in their bodies. There is no comparison between Governor's Jeb Bush, Rick Perry, Haley Barbour, Bob Riley and that incompetent Democrat Governor, Kathleen Blanco. Believe me, give it time and the truth will opt out about these two misfits that Louisiana elected. At the end of the day they are really not the problem. The problem rests with the citizens and voters of Louisiana. They are getting just what they voted for!!!
"New Orleans will shrink to nearly half its pre-hurricane population and will have to make do with one-third of its previous budget."
Does this make any sense? Was the tax base that heavily weighted towards the poor?
Oh, I get it! Outside tax subsities filled the city coffers!
"They are getting just what they voted for!!!"
Nope. Only 55% of the electorate is getting just what they voted for.
True! Actually things will change for the positive in Louisiana, the politics of the state will be altered significantly over the next few years by the the Hispanic influx and the destruction of Nagin's Democrat "Poverty Central" catered to and supported by the Congressional Black Caucus and the Democrat Party. A "sea change" is afoot.
Talked with a person who has relatives in NO. I asked what they thought of Nagin, the answer: "they like him". This person went on to say Bush should have done something, and obviously blamed any problems suffered in NO on Bush, not the local corrupt politics. There is no help for people like this, they would miss cancer if they were cured.
Good suggestions. But those things are going to happen anyway if the Free market gets to decide.
Individuals are still waiting to hear on the code to rebuild. Do they need to raise their foundations? Will insurance cover them? Will our local government allow them to rebuild? What about our Federal Government....are they going to put further restrictions on the rebuilding process in exchange for Fed dollars. Meanwhile, residents wait and wait and wait on all these factions of governemnt to get their crap figured out. There is a logistics nightmare here that the rest of the country fails to realize and it's all tied up in local, State, and FEDERAL beauracracy, red tape, Fema, etc.
"A "sea change" is afoot."
That's what the good people of Lousiana want to believe. On the political side of things,.....there are people already second-guessing their vote for Blanco when we could have had a super conservative stalwart in the name of Bobby Jindal. We hope he runs again.
"Any further questions?"
Yeah, how are you so sure that's Heineken? It could be Grolsch you know.........
No, it's heineken alright.
Anybody who wants to live in New Orleans should put their money where their mouth is and rebuild it themselves. Then they can rebuild it anyway they want. And get some insurance while they're at it.
Why should we have to pay to rebuild it?
Of course they like him. Compared to Morial, he is a saint.
I just spent 10 days working in a Red Cross shelter in Monroe, LA. Though the population of the shelter was small and shrinking quickly, I still finally got a hint of the size of this problem. Katrina/Rita meant the Red Cross provided over 22 million meals, gave over 3 million overnight stays in shelters, and mobilized over 180 thousand workers to rovide these and other services.
My point (and I do have one) is that this is one HUGE disaster. The crippling, be it never so temporary, of a city with over 800,000 residents was only part of a larger disruption extending from parts of coastal TX through coastal LA and MS, to coastal AL -- a lot of real estate and a whole lot of people.
Nobody is going to get this one right. The paradigm here is not brain surgery, it's the old aviation saying that good landing is one you walk away from (as opposed to one from which pieces of your burned corpse are carried).
I'm not disagreeing with anyone here, just venting and hoping to adumbrate. This is ajob which is worht doing badly and it's going to be done badly -- which is still way better than not doing it at all.
Bless you for your service to the unfortunate. I totally agree with you about the scope of this tragedy and your point that there couldn't have been a perfect response. However, the cold, hard facts won't stop the ignorant from searching for someone to blame their hardship on.
"Then they can rebuild it anyway they want. And get some insurance while they're at it."
You can't rebuild it anyway you want and expect to get "some insurance." It doesn't work that way.
Probably commuters from the suburbs - many of whom have no jobs to return to - made up the difference.
Well maybe the insurance companies know something that the rest of them choose to ignore- namely you don't build below sea level in a hurricane prone area.
If insurance companies won't insure them the rest of us don't want to pay for their ignorance/stubborness.
If we are going to spend billions of dollars to rebuild we might as well do it right.
first of all the oil refineries and oil port are not dependant on the city of NO being there.
Secondly the entire flow of the Mississippi is being captured by a smaller river (there was a thread posted on it here somewhere) that runs through Morgan city. Build a set of locks where the current dam/flood gate is and let nature take it's course. Build the new port in morgan city or there abouts.
Blow the levees and let the lake expand to it's natural borders. NO is a cesspool and will remain one.
Here is my suggestion, don't rebuild New Orleans. Any city built on a marsh, under sea level, and surrounded on three by water, shouldn't be been built in the first place.
However, the cold, hard facts won't stop the ignorant from searching for someone to blame their hardship on.
Yep, when somerthing goes wrong, the first thing to fix is the blame. PLUS, it seems an aspect of helplessness is the embracing of the notion that others, (e.g.: Mommie, teacher, the police, the government) are virtually all powerful, and so, if they don't give you what you think you need it must be because they are vicious, not because it can't be done or it would be bad for you. We have a large segment of our population, including many who vote, who are fundamentally infantile.
"If insurance companies won't insure them the rest of us don't want to pay for their ignorance/stubborness."
As long as the Federal government underwrites Flood Policies, YOU will pay whether you like it or not. It has nothing to with ignorance or subborness. You are making a mistake when you think Flood Insurance is underwritten by private Insurance companies.
Fine, let's not re-build New Orleans. Don't bitch then, when gas at the pumps exceeds $6 a gallon.
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled A Shrinking New Orleans, Bob Eimiller wrote:
You want a suggestion??
FILL IT IN and MOVE ON!
Okay. Now let's also abandon all cities on active geological faults (San Diego, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle), all other low-lying coastal cities (Houston, Miami, Washington, Philadelphia, Boston), all cities in river floodplains (St. Louis, Pittsburgh, Cincinnatti, Kansas City, Memphis, Minneapolis, St. Paul), and all cities in deserts without adequate water supplies (Las Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson, Salt Lake City, Albuquerque). Everyone in the United States has to move to Chicago.
I was trying to educate you a bit, so you would understand why you must pay for the rebuilding in New Orleans. Wasn't that your initial question? (And then YOU mentioned Insurance companies in your last post.) Flood Insurance is relative to your question.
Sorry I confused you. I think some of this stuff is over you head.