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FITZGERALD DOCUMENTS RELEASED
US Dept. of Justice | oct. 28, 2005 | Patrick Fitzgerald

Posted on 10/28/2005 10:14:53 AM PDT by blogblogginaway

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1028051plame1.html


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cialeak; doj
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1 posted on 10/28/2005 10:14:53 AM PDT by blogblogginaway
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To: blogblogginaway

What crap. I want Wilson indicted along with his slut wife.


2 posted on 10/28/2005 10:17:51 AM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Conservatives don't want judicial "litmus tests", unless THEY supply the test that is))
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To: blogblogginaway

Perjury, obstruction of justice, etc. They got nothing, and we're going to punch this indictment out.


3 posted on 10/28/2005 10:18:35 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Mister Baredog
From the documents:

What is this garbage all about. Did Fitzy do any homework? Ughhh!

4 posted on 10/28/2005 10:19:05 AM PDT by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: blogblogginaway

Not all of the 22 page indictment downloads yet, probably due to server overload, but so far it is all crap.

Libby is charged with telling FBI agents that he didn't remember if he knew that Plame worked for the CIA because reporters told him, or if the State Department told him.

BFD.


5 posted on 10/28/2005 10:19:35 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: frogjerk

Good catch Frogjerk.


6 posted on 10/28/2005 10:19:56 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: frogjerk

Looks like Fitz is clueless.


7 posted on 10/28/2005 10:20:32 AM PDT by COEXERJ145 (This Space For Rent.)
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To: agere_contra
They got nothing

The top deputy to the Vice President is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice and thats 'nothing'?

I'm not happy about this but I'm not going to dismiss it either. If Libby lied he should be charged.

8 posted on 10/28/2005 10:20:39 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: frogjerk

Tim Russert said it was common knowledge that reporters knew Wilson's wife worked for the CIA. Therefore, reporters must be considered part of the "intelligence community."


9 posted on 10/28/2005 10:21:42 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: blogblogginaway

Its basically Libby's word against Russert, Cooper and Miller. That seems to be what the documents say. It was Libby's comments to them and how he reported said comments in testimony. Comes down to he learned her name from Cheney, so every time in testimony he said he heard her name from others, in his recalling talks with russert, cooper and miller, he is being charged with telling a lie. THough its one lie several times, supposedly. All he had to do was tell the truth. Me thinks Rove is being investigated for saying Plame's name was public, thats why its ongoing.


10 posted on 10/28/2005 10:21:50 AM PDT by mykpfsu
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To: blogblogginaway

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/04ms407-I.pdf


11 posted on 10/28/2005 10:22:10 AM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: frogjerk
That should be fairly easy to disprove.
12 posted on 10/28/2005 10:22:36 AM PDT by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: blogblogginaway
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1028051plame1.html
13 posted on 10/28/2005 10:22:40 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: conserv13

I agree. I mean it's the same charge we got Clinton on.


14 posted on 10/28/2005 10:22:44 AM PDT by TheSane
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To: conserv13

Agreed, but so far every description of the "lie" seems awfully unimportant.


15 posted on 10/28/2005 10:22:46 AM PDT by Williams
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To: COEXERJ145

Fitz was hired to get someone at the White House, not to get the truth.


16 posted on 10/28/2005 10:23:06 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: frogjerk

Just because her status was classified, does not mean she was covert. This is getting ridiculous. What has this guy been doing for 2 years?


17 posted on 10/28/2005 10:23:08 AM PDT by half-cajun
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To: Yo-Yo
Therefore, reporters must be considered part of the "intelligence community."

Never in my world.

18 posted on 10/28/2005 10:23:13 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: frogjerk

Help me...it's Friday and I'm a little burnt out. What am I missing in that paragraph?


19 posted on 10/28/2005 10:23:18 AM PDT by Chicos_Bail_Bonds
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To: blogblogginaway
Given the Clinton Culture of Corruption, the Libs are playing with fire. If Hillary did manage to sleaze her way into the Whitehouse, her Presidency would be doomed from day 1.
20 posted on 10/28/2005 10:23:20 AM PDT by etradervic (Able Danger, Peter Paul Campaign Fraud, Travelgate, Whitewater, Sandy Berger...demand answers!)
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To: blogblogginaway

21 posted on 10/28/2005 10:23:42 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: Chicos_Bail_Bonds

Ya gotta love The Smoking Gun.


22 posted on 10/28/2005 10:23:58 AM PDT by IGOTMINE (Front Sight. Press. Follow Through. It's a way of life.)
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To: okie01

OK, Libby used "Valerie Wilson"

Who told Miller "F/Plame?"


23 posted on 10/28/2005 10:24:24 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: half-cajun
Just because her status was classified, does not mean she was covert. This is getting ridiculous. What has this guy been doing for 2 years?


Posting on DU
24 posted on 10/28/2005 10:24:48 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: blogblogginaway

Was Wilson or Plame ever questioned under oath about this as to their actions regaring this whole matter?


25 posted on 10/28/2005 10:25:16 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Mister Baredog

"Recently Wilson spoke at SF State and was asked by many of the numbskulls there to run for political office. His answer says much about him and our intelligence community’s health. He said he’d had, “too many wives and taken too many drugs. And, yes. I did inhale.” He spoke about being a child of the sixties, being anti-war and the works."-October 24, 2005

http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/rhawkins_20051024.html


26 posted on 10/28/2005 10:25:57 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

It's pretty bad when even some of the folks over at DU are going WTF?


27 posted on 10/28/2005 10:26:18 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Mister Baredog

Me too.


28 posted on 10/28/2005 10:27:21 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: conserv13
The top deputy to the Vice President is charged with perjury and obstruction of justice and thats 'nothing'?

They could charge him with murder and it wouldn't be true either.

Look, I take your point: but he's innocent until proven guilty.

29 posted on 10/28/2005 10:27:43 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: A CA Guy

Scooter needs to hire a kick ass Lawyer and go after this buffoon! This is pure crap!
How tough would it be to play whackaprosecutor using Fitzpatrick's head as a ball, if you are a top notch lawyer that is?


30 posted on 10/28/2005 10:28:39 AM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: mykpfsu
Its basically Libby's word against Russert, Cooper and Miller. That seems to be what the documents say.

But what we don't know is if there are other witnesses who have testified to the grand jury that back up the reporters' versions. A whole lot of presidential and vice presidential aides were called before the grand jury. Some of them may have been in the room when Libby was talking on the phone and gave testimony about what he said that differs from Libby's own testimony. Or they may have testified about their conversations with Libby that differ from what Libby told the grand jury. Finally, what if some of the conversations Libby had with reporters and other aides were taped! I imagine that would be some pretty solid evidence should it come to "he said/she said."
31 posted on 10/28/2005 10:28:46 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: frogjerk
So Fitz puts something into his document that is both clearly and demonstratably wrong, and has nothing directly to do with the indictment.

Smells like he's covering up not going after Miller for who she was actually covering for.

32 posted on 10/28/2005 10:28:57 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget
Posting on DU

Effin amazin'....considering the source URL.

33 posted on 10/28/2005 10:29:04 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you decide to kick the tiger in the ass...you'd better be prepared to deal with the teeth.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

What's that supposed to mean?


34 posted on 10/28/2005 10:29:42 AM PDT by half-cajun
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To: acapesket
I'm sure there are plenty of great lawyers wanting Libby's case because it would give them immortality in history and of course later their own books on the matter.
35 posted on 10/28/2005 10:30:50 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: conserv13
They got nothing on the underlying crime. They got an "entrapment" indictment which is a whole different kettle of fish. The Special Counsel had to manufacture a crime to justify the expenditure of several million dollars investigating a non-event.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

36 posted on 10/28/2005 10:31:19 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: blogblogginaway

Well, we're about to find out if this President and this Administration is willing to fight this fight.

The gauntlet has been thrown down. I have my doubts as to whether they have the will to make a stand. We shall see.

IMHO, this nation's government is at a crossroads.


37 posted on 10/28/2005 10:31:20 AM PDT by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: TheSane
it's the same charge we got Clinton on.

The difference is that Clinton was guilty.

38 posted on 10/28/2005 10:31:21 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Shermy

My money is on that this is gonna plead out.

No way jury wouldn't convict if you have a parade of reporters marching in all with the same story. Plus, they all protected the source until Libby let them off the hook for source secrecy (probably under obstruction charges pressure from Fitz - or bad advice from counsel). Oh, and that's not to mention the paragraph that obviously comes from the VP himself re: when he told Libby that Plame worked CIA in counterproliferation or whatever it was.


By the way, Fitzgerald is squeaky clean, and the other investigators - one is this pencil-neck geek looking guy who seems nice and one or two younger women that also seemed nice. I for one don't believe these were a bunch of hacks and/or operatives running the show.

The old line is you can indict a ham sandwich is apropos here, and that being said, the fact that they did not indict him for more than this is a testament to the prosecutors' evenhandedness, I hate to say it.

In fact, I think faced with the information in that indictment, any one of us who had Fitz's job would have had to indict Libby for this. Remember the standard at indictment stage is Probable Cause. Far far FAR cry from reasonable doubt.


39 posted on 10/28/2005 10:31:27 AM PDT by Julliardsux
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To: acapesket

Rush mentioned Oliver North's attorney, (Brendan Sullivan?).



40 posted on 10/28/2005 10:31:32 AM PDT by maggief
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To: blogblogginaway

Looks like Libby was not Novak's source no. 1.


41 posted on 10/28/2005 10:31:33 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: half-cajun

I was suggesting Fitzgerald has spent 2 years posting on DU.


42 posted on 10/28/2005 10:34:05 AM PDT by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: Julliardsux

Some of the allegations rely on Cooper having a perfect memory.

that will fail.


43 posted on 10/28/2005 10:34:05 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

will be corroborated by other conversations of similar type w/ Miller and Russert that are also subject of the charges.

You think he's getting a fair jury?


44 posted on 10/28/2005 10:35:18 AM PDT by Julliardsux
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To: dirtboy

this will fall apart in court . fitz is in over his head. but at least he is the new hero of the left. the damage is done. remember bush agreed to this farce. more new tone crap. the left will demand hearings on lies for war. bush will fold.


45 posted on 10/28/2005 10:35:22 AM PDT by fantom
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To: agere_contra

I agree.


46 posted on 10/28/2005 10:35:25 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: Julliardsux

You think Fitzgerald is evenhanded? Then does his paperwork claim Plame was covert and not know outside of intelligence circles? The guy is either a hack or a complete moron.


47 posted on 10/28/2005 10:35:40 AM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: agere_contra
The end of the indictment states that its only charges and the defendant enjoys the presumption of innocent and the government has the burden of proving him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

("Denny Crane: Gun Control? For Communists. She's a liberal. Can't hunt.")

48 posted on 10/28/2005 10:35:43 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: dirtboy
Looks to me like Fitz "thinks" that Libby deliberately lied to the investigators and the GJ and made up his story specifically to ensure he could not be charged with the leak. Note that Fitz asked Libby whether he said what he said because he knew of the law against disclosing a covert operative's identity. Libby said, no, I said it because that's what happened.

I really cannot believe that Libby would so blatantly lie to an investigator and to a grand jury while under oath, unless he really thought all the reporters he talked to would refuse to testify forever. And if he did, why would he give them a waiver to testify? Either Libby lied or Cooper and Russert lied.

49 posted on 10/28/2005 10:35:47 AM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (2,4,6,8 - a burka makes me look overweight!)
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To: drjimmy

I'm reading it...some of it sounds like he lied to Cooper.

So what? Legally I mean.

And who is Novak's source no. 1???


50 posted on 10/28/2005 10:36:24 AM PDT by Shermy
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