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Scientist: Comets Blasted Early Americans
ap on Yahoo ^ | 10/28/05 | Meg Kinnard - ap

Posted on 10/28/2005 6:33:11 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

COLUMBIA, S.C. - A supernova could be the "quick and dirty" explanation for what may have happened to an early North American culture, a nuclear scientist here said Thursday.

Richard Firestone said at the "Clovis in the Southeast" conference that he thinks "impact regions" on mammoth tusks found in Gainey, Mich., were caused by magnetic particles rich in elements like titanium and uranium. This composition, the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory scientist said, resembles rocks that were discovered on the moon and have also been found in lunar meteorites that fell to Earth about 10,000 years ago.

Firestone said that, based on his discovery of similar material at Clovis sites, he estimates that comets struck the solar system during the Clovis period, which was roughly 13,000 years ago. These comets would have hit the Earth at 1,000 kilometers an hour, he said, obliterating many life forms and causing mutations in others.

"I'm not going to tell you that there's Clovis people on the moon, or that they had a space program," Firestone said. But these particles look "very much like the material that comes from the moon, which is the only place we've found with this same high titanium concentration."

Amateur archaeologist Richard Callaway said he was surprised by Firestone's theory.

"I've always considered myself a pretty open-minded person," Callaway said, while browsing some of the artifacts on display at the conference. "And it's kind of shocking to hear that something from the solar system could have done something like this."

Callaway, an Episcopal priest from Atlanta, said that he and his wife have volunteered at the Topper site in Allendale County for the past two summers.

"To be a part of this ... and find something no human being has touched in 15,000 years — that's something," Callaway said. "That's what I like about what we do. You don't find the next answer. You find the next question."

Earlier Thursday, University of South Carolina archaeologist Al Goodyear lectured on his discoveries at Topper, where he says he has found evidence that man existed in North America much earlier than previously thought. Goodyear showed slides of the many tools he has recovered from Topper, as well as a charcoal strip he discovered in soil two meters beneath a 16,000-year-old level of the site.

"Topper's like a box of chocolates," Goodyear said. "Every time we dig a hole, something new comes up."

As the final event of the four-day conference, partially sponsored by USC, Goodyear will lead attendees on a visit to Topper on Saturday.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: South Carolina; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: americans; archaeology; blasted; catastrophism; clovis; clovisimpact; comets; early; godsgravesglyphs; goodyear; history; impact; scientist; stuffhappens; topper

1 posted on 10/28/2005 6:33:12 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Incoherent reporting. Firestone comes off as a crank but I think I'll wait for a better-written article before forming an opinion.


2 posted on 10/28/2005 6:46:54 PM PDT by Grut
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To: NormsRevenge

Mars on Oct. 27 and 28, 2005 as the dust storm emerged.
Credit: Clay Sherrod, Arkansas Sky Observatories


3 posted on 10/28/2005 6:47:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SC Swamp Fox

ping


4 posted on 10/28/2005 6:52:28 PM PDT by lunarbicep (A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves Edward R. Murrow)
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To: NormsRevenge

So now a sports team named The Comets will be deemed racially Offensive!


5 posted on 10/28/2005 7:03:28 PM PDT by feedback doctor (Dan Rather - guilty until proved innocent)
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To: NormsRevenge
Scientist: Comets Blasted Early Americans

You'd think this would have been mentioned in Poor Richard's Almanac.

6 posted on 10/28/2005 7:09:02 PM PDT by KMJames
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To: NormsRevenge
Isn't "1,000 KPH" (625 MPH or ~0.25 KPS) pretty slow for a cometary inpact? Did he mean KPS?

Also, wouldn't there be obvious traces outside N.A.?

And what connection is implied by "a supernova" and "lunar meteorites" and a comet hitting the earth? Maybe he should restrict his language to math, instead of trying to speak English.

Or, was this a Babelfish translation from English to Manglish?


Right side image: The Mark of the Cosmic Turtle!

WE'RE DOOMED!

Or, maybe WE'RE SAVED!

Last time I saw that critter, rocket flames were coming out of the leg holes of his shell, and he was leaving Earth for Mars. Took him long enough to get there.

"Calling Monster Island; come in Monster Island; Godzirra, protect us! Over!"

7 posted on 10/28/2005 7:28:50 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite!)
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To: NormsRevenge

"Comets Blasted Early Americans"

I thought they were finally going to tell us what happened to Virginia Dare and the lost colony.


8 posted on 10/28/2005 7:52:18 PM PDT by Jessarah
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To: NormsRevenge

2 words-----Immanuel Velikovsky


9 posted on 10/28/2005 8:42:34 PM PDT by redangus
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To: NormsRevenge

Bush's fault, right?


10 posted on 10/28/2005 8:53:03 PM PDT by JRios1968 ("Cogito, ergo FReep": I think, therefore I FReep.)
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To: redangus
"2 words-----Immanuel Velikovsky "

You DID check with the "Carl Sagan Cosmic Thought Police" before posting this didn't you?

11 posted on 10/28/2005 9:40:17 PM PDT by de Buillion (Perspective: 2000 dead Heroes in 3 +yr vs. 3589 abortions EVERY DAY , 1999, USA.)
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To: lunarbicep; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; Abbeville Conservative; ...

South Carolina Ping

Add me to the ping list. Remove me from the ping list.

12 posted on 10/29/2005 10:34:43 AM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: NormsRevenge

"University of South Carolina archaeologist Al Goodyear lectured on his discoveries......"

Another good reason to be a Clemson Tiger fan.


13 posted on 10/29/2005 10:48:14 AM PDT by neal1960 (This space for rent.)
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To: feedback doctor

I knew Bill Hailey's been around a long time but playing the Clovis gig?


14 posted on 10/29/2005 10:53:53 AM PDT by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: NormsRevenge; SunkenCiv; RightWhale; JimSEA
GGG Ping.

I was gonna post this: Comets Hit Early Americans, Scientists Say, but, a search revealed that you already had.

Now, you should have pinged me. No-one enjoys a good catastrophe as good as me.

Professor Stephen Oppenheimer, in one of his books, suggests that it may have been comet impacts that began the end of the last Ice Age.

15 posted on 10/29/2005 3:39:12 PM PDT by blam
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To: NormsRevenge

Wouldn't there be some tribes with a Kaboom in their legends?


16 posted on 10/29/2005 3:40:53 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: NormsRevenge
Here's a thread I posted that came out of the same conference.

Clovis Speakers Discuss Man's Origins In The United States

"In recent years, many experts have begun to consider other explanations, such as migration from Europe, and not Asia."

17 posted on 10/29/2005 3:44:10 PM PDT by blam
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To: NormsRevenge

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18 posted on 10/29/2005 3:45:05 PM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: drlevy88
"Wouldn't there be some tribes with a Kaboom in their legends?"

Read the Bible.

19 posted on 10/29/2005 3:46:06 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

but where's the kaboom? i expected an earth shattering kaboom! [marvin the martian]


20 posted on 10/29/2005 3:46:59 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: drlevy88
Disaster That Struck The Ancients
21 posted on 10/29/2005 3:47:58 PM PDT by blam
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To: drlevy88
Did Asteroids And Comets Turn The Tides Of Civilization?
22 posted on 10/29/2005 3:49:43 PM PDT by blam
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To: drlevy88
Evidence Of Major Impact Events In The Late 3rd Millenium BC
23 posted on 10/29/2005 3:52:25 PM PDT by blam
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To: neal1960
Another good reason to be a Clemson Tiger fan.

But I wish the Clemson Tigers would give us a few reasons too! A frustrating season that held so much potential.

Able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
24 posted on 10/29/2005 7:54:47 PM PDT by NonLinear (He's dead, Jim)
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To: de Buillion

Sorry I missed that requirement. I have read all of IV's books they are very interesting.


25 posted on 10/29/2005 8:11:03 PM PDT by redangus
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To: NormsRevenge

btt


26 posted on 10/29/2005 8:13:41 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: blam; NormsRevenge; redangus; de Buillion

Thanks for the ping, Blam.

NR, I'm right behind Blam in enjoying a good old fashioned catastrophe.

redangus, debuillion, glad to meet ya. :')


27 posted on 10/29/2005 8:40:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; StayAt HomeMother; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; asp1; ...
Thanks Blam. Buncha Americans got blasted, so what's the big deal? ;')

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28 posted on 10/29/2005 8:46:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: SunkenCiv; blam

LOL.. I got ya covered re: catastrophes, etc. ;-)


29 posted on 10/29/2005 9:07:02 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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of course, the most important related topic is...

Loss of Musk Ox Genetic Diversity at the Pleistocene-Holocene Transition
BioMed Central via Eureka Alert | 5-Oct-2005 | Juliette Savin
Posted on 10/10/2005 5:13:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1500172/posts

impacts, recent and not so much...

A Celestial Collision
Alaska Science Forum | February 10, 1983 | Larry Gedney
Posted on 09/15/2004 9:04:28 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1216757/posts
Lake Michigan Impact in 1919:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1216757/posts?page=3#3

Giordano Bruno, the June 1975 Meteoroid Storm, Encke, and Other Taurid Complex Objects
Icarus (Volume 104, Issue 2 , pp 280-290) | August 1993 | Jack B. Hartung
Posted on 12/27/2004 2:37:46 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1309198/posts

Small Asteroid Passes Between Satellites and Earth
Space dot com | 22 December 2004 | Robert Roy Britt
Posted on 12/23/2004 7:36:30 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1307286/posts

Cosmic Hole-in-One Captured Over Antarctica
RedNova | Monday, 5 September 2005, 20:43 CDT | staff / press release
Posted on 09/05/2005 9:36:19 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1478231/posts

Giant asteroid rocked Antarctica
Near Earth Object Information Centre | 8/20/2004 | staff
Posted on 10/17/2004 9:26:51 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1248406/posts

Grains Found in Ga. Traced to Asteroid
Yahoo / AP | August 24 2004 | editors
Posted on 08/24/2004 11:32:23 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1198414/posts

The Hazard of Near-Earth Asteroid Impacts on Earth
Frontiers | 4 March 2004 | Clark R. Chapman
Posted on 12/02/2004 10:51:16 AM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1292915/posts


30 posted on 10/29/2005 9:43:55 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: Grut
Incoherent reporting.

LOL. I did a quick reading, which is usually sufficient, and then thought, "I have no idea what these people are talking about." Then I scrolled down and found your comment. Most reassuring, to know that when I am not grasping something it is still almost certainly somebody else's fault. :O)

31 posted on 10/29/2005 9:44:57 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: NormsRevenge; blam

Wait a minute... Firestone and Goodyear?

Thanks for posting it, and thanks again to Blam for the ping. It's unusually coherent and lucid, and while I'd disagree with Firestone's suggestion of the cause (supernova), as said before, I enjoy a good catastrophe.


32 posted on 10/29/2005 9:50:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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earlier topics, same Richard Firestone, different sources:

Supernova Storm Wiped Out Mammoths?
Discovery News | 09/28/05 | Jennifer Viegas
Posted on 10/04/2005 11:47:27 PM PDT by planetesimal
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1496844/posts

Supernova Storm Wiped Out Mammoths?
Discovery News | Sept. 28, 2005 | Jennifer Viegas
Posted on 10/17/2005 8:57:32 AM PDT by Fzob
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1503957/posts

sidebar:

Supernova debris found on Earth
NEWS@NATURE.COM | 02 November 2004 | Mark Peplow
Posted on 11/24/2004 1:22:08 PM PST by Phsstpok
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1287848/posts

(I guess Peplow never heard of the Eltanin impact?)


33 posted on 10/29/2005 9:55:14 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: feedback doctor
Didn't realize they'd been around that long.


34 posted on 10/29/2005 9:55:51 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: SunkenCiv
"It's unusually coherent and lucid, and while I'd disagree with Firestone's suggestion of the cause (supernova)."

I liked it because of it's fit with the end of the Ice Age.

Let me see...I have an article around her somewhere by Michelin, he says that...

35 posted on 10/29/2005 11:53:07 PM PDT by blam
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To: redangus
"Sorry I missed that requirement. I have read all of IV's books they are very interesting. "

I read "Ages In Chaos', "Worlds In Collision", and "Earth in Upheaval", (I believe). Were there any more?

I believe that much of what Velikovsky predicted has been proven, despite Carl Sagan's desperate and disingenuous attempt to silence him

36 posted on 10/30/2005 12:15:57 AM PDT by de Buillion (Perspective: 2000 dead Heroes in 3 +yr vs. 3589 abortions EVERY DAY , 1999, USA.)
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To: NormsRevenge

One speaker named Firestone, and another speaker named Goodyear. Hmmmm......


37 posted on 10/30/2005 12:43:40 AM PDT by Wampus SC (Serf City here we come!)
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To: blam
Let me see...I have an article around her somewhere by Michelin, he says that...

I'm going to wait and see what Prof. Pirelli has to say. His theories are always highly provacative. Well worth hours of study to get every jot and tittle.

38 posted on 10/30/2005 5:41:39 AM PST by Snake65 (Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun!)
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To: Jessarah
I thought they were finally going to tell us what happened to Virginia Dare and the lost colony.

I'm convinced that they moved westward and became the ancestors of the Melungeons. (http://www.melungeon.org/?BISKIT=2772535491&CONTEXT=cat&cat=10005)

39 posted on 10/30/2005 9:14:08 PM PST by BostonianRightist (I looted New Orleans and all I got was 40 of these lousy taglines.)
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Catastrophism

40 posted on 05/09/2006 9:17:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
he estimates that comets struck the solar system during the Clovis period, which was roughly 13,000 years ago. These comets would have hit the Earth at 1,000 kilometers an hour

Comets are already inside the solar system, and they move much faster.

41 posted on 05/09/2006 9:20:41 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: de Buillion

He wrote some other stuff of a hypothetical nature. Probably not as interesting.


42 posted on 05/09/2006 3:37:12 PM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: RightWhale

I was reading Vielikovsky in the '70's, and then Carl Sagan and the "nuclear winter " crowd put out all their propaganda, then I found out about how sagan, et al tried to silence Vielikovsky from even publishing, that sort of told me what sort of idiot sagan was. Tongue-tied turkey.


43 posted on 05/09/2006 9:12:25 PM PDT by de Buillion (The USA needs a CONSERVATIVE political party NOW! (republicans don't qualify))
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To: de Buillion
A good thing Velikovsky did was research out a lot of archaeological information. He might have put some of it together in creative ways, but the data remains. There are parts of shredded mammoths, sabertooth tigers and musk ox in the frozen muck around Fairbanks, Alaska. I have seen some of these. Whatever happened wasn't all that long ago in geological terms.

Mars is central to Velikovsky's chain of events, and while it doesn't appear likely that Mars came close by earth recently, still Mars looks like something catastrophic happened. Half the crust appears to be missing, just as half of earth's crust is missing. Earth has a moon to explain the missing crust, but Mars has nothing but some questionable asteroids that don't come close to Mars now if they ever did.

44 posted on 05/10/2006 7:54:30 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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just an update.
 
Catastrophism
 
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45 posted on 04/29/2007 9:03:35 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (I last updated my profile on Saturday, April 28, 2007. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith


46 posted on 03/28/2008 10:01:46 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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47 posted on 03/28/2008 10:02:30 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/______________________Profile updated Saturday, March 1, 2008)
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To: NormsRevenge

There are too many references to car tires for me to take this seriously.


48 posted on 03/28/2008 10:11:03 PM PDT by budwiesest (What's with Billy Jeff's hair these days? From the real thing to a blow-dryer?)
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To: ApplegateRanch

“Isn’t “1,000 KPH” (625 MPH or ~0.25 KPS) pretty slow for a cometary inpact?”

You’re right. The Earth itself is barrelling around the Sun at 66,705 MPH; and Earth-incoming meteorites, comets, etc. can be expected to enter Earth’s space at incredible velocities ... especially in head-on situations.

One for-instance is Chesapeake Bay; it was apparently carved out by a comet strike about 36 million years ago.


49 posted on 05/08/2008 8:04:22 AM PDT by OldNavyVet
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