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College Bans Dormitory Bible Studies
NewsMax ^ | 2 Nov 05 | NewsMax

Posted on 11/02/2005 11:47:38 AM PST by NavVet

In a shameful attack on freedom of religion, the University of Wisconsin–Eau Claire (UWEC) has banned resident assistants (RAs) from leading Bible studies in their own dormitories.

The university claims the ban is necessary because some students might not feel RAs who lead Bible studies are "approachable.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: antichristian; biblestudy; bigots; christian; christianstudents; christophobia; discrimination; firstamendment; freedomofspeech; highereducation; leftismoncampus; religon
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They should have put a sign on the door, "Koran Study Group in Session - Do not disturb at risk of behedding."

I guarantee the University wouldn't have said a word.

1 posted on 11/02/2005 11:47:39 AM PST by NavVet
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To: NavVet

This is what we get from the land of Herbert Kohl, Russ Feingold, etc. People there can never learn much.


2 posted on 11/02/2005 11:49:20 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: NavVet

This is beyond disgusting. Absolutely over the limit.

What happened to the Democrats scream to the Right to privacy. Oh yea, that's only if you want to murder your unborn child.

I hope it goes before the new Supreme Court.


3 posted on 11/02/2005 11:49:30 AM PST by Mayflower Sister
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To: NavVet

Misleading title. What they banned was having employees of the school lead Bible studies. Dorm Resident Managers and Assistants are employees of the school.

Anyone else living in the dorm can have as many Bible studies as they wish.


4 posted on 11/02/2005 11:49:47 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: NavVet

Absolutely, liberal people in WI would sooner use the Koran than the Bible.


5 posted on 11/02/2005 11:49:57 AM PST by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: NavVet
some students might not feel RAs who lead Bible studies are "approachable.”

What a stupid reason, but you are right. If it had been an Islamic study, no one would say anything.

6 posted on 11/02/2005 11:50:40 AM PST by Mark17
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To: MineralMan
What they banned was having employees of the school lead Bible studies. Dorm Resident Managers and Assistants are employees of the school.

So they can prevent people from heading a Bible study on their own time?

7 posted on 11/02/2005 11:50:57 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: NavVet

I am so mad reading this crap. Who do they think they are? We used to live in a country with freedom of religion but thanks to the ACLU that is no longer the case. Thankfully my daughter goes to a Christian college. No way I would want her in one of these hell holes. Now days colleges promote porn and homosexuality and take away Bibles. The hallowed halls of higher education.


8 posted on 11/02/2005 11:50:59 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: NavVet

http://www.thefire.org/

These guys will eat the UW-EC administration for breakfast.


9 posted on 11/02/2005 11:51:18 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (Nature abhors a vacuum. So do cats.)
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To: MineralMan
What they banned was having employees of the school lead Bible studies. Dorm Resident Managers and Assistants are employees of the school.

Can they go to Mass or Church in public?

10 posted on 11/02/2005 11:51:32 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: MineralMan
Would they then also find that RMs and RAs can not put pink triangles on their dorm door as a sign of a "safe place" as it might make residents find them unapproachable?

I doubt it.

11 posted on 11/02/2005 11:51:37 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: NavVet

Unbelievable.

Just this morning on the news there was a story about a college airing porn and the powers that be won't interfere because it is the students call.


12 posted on 11/02/2005 11:51:38 AM PST by fml
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To: NavVet
The university claims the ban is necessary because some students might not feel RAs who lead Bible studies are "approachable.”

Who would want to aproach an RA anyway?
They're just high school hall monitors writ large.
Losers, every last one of them.

So9

13 posted on 11/02/2005 11:51:49 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: NavVet

Why would leading a bible study be the "measure" of approachability? Shouldn't they simply ban all outspoken christians from being RAs, just to be safe?

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" -- that would be a great policy to make sure the RAs are approachable.

On the other hand, if the RA was gay, we would say that was OK because if a person can't approach a gay person, well it's that person's fault, not the gay guy. We don't want to encourage bigots.


14 posted on 11/02/2005 11:52:08 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: NavVet

Those dirty Christians! They're everywhere!


15 posted on 11/02/2005 11:52:29 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: NavVet

The assault on Christianity continues.


16 posted on 11/02/2005 11:53:01 AM PST by SaveTheChief ("I can't wait until I'm old enough to feel ways about stuff." - Phillip J. Fry)
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To: MineralMan
Anyone else living in the dorm can have as many Bible studies as they wish.

Unless they are employees of the school

Maybe they could pass a law against employees criticizing politicians.

17 posted on 11/02/2005 11:53:01 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: NavVet

Don't worry, everyone. I'm sure the ACLU will move swiftly to fight this violation of religious freedom.


18 posted on 11/02/2005 11:53:07 AM PST by Trimegistus
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To: frogjerk

"Can they go to Mass or Church in public?"

I can't imagine why not.


19 posted on 11/02/2005 11:53:11 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: NavVet

"The university claims the ban is necessary because some students might not feel RAs who lead Bible studies are "approachable.”"

That is, without a doubt, one of the top ten dumbest things I have ever read!!


20 posted on 11/02/2005 11:53:50 AM PST by calrighty ( Koranimals & Islamopigs....religions of peace! C'mon troops, finish em off!!)
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To: NavVet

I'm sure the university would rush to set up a private prayer room in the dorm for them. Just so long as no Christians ask for one...


21 posted on 11/02/2005 11:54:09 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: Theodore R.

Koran?


22 posted on 11/02/2005 11:54:47 AM PST by calrighty ( Koranimals & Islamopigs....religions of peace! C'mon troops, finish em off!!)
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To: Mark17
If it had been an Islamic study, no one would say anything.

Or Wiccan.

24 posted on 11/02/2005 11:55:15 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: MineralMan
I would argue that RAs are not employees of the school unless they receive an actual paycheck. I believe that most RAs receive free room and board as compensation for services, but they are students who ultimately pay the schools to attend classes.
25 posted on 11/02/2005 11:56:17 AM PST by wmichgrad ("The only difference between what Senator Kennedy said & a bag of excrement is the bag" Rush 3/2/05)
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To: Servant of the 9

"Who would want to aproach an RA anyway?
They're just high school hall monitors writ large.
Losers, every last one of them."

Be careful, buddy. I was an RA and a dang good one. Something about just getting out of the Army sorta made me approachable to the Freshmen on the floor....


26 posted on 11/02/2005 11:56:19 AM PST by CSM (When laws are written, they apply to ALL...Not just the yucky people you don't like. - HairOfTheDog)
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To: MineralMan
"Can they go to Mass or Church in public?"

I can't imagine why not.

But if someone who lives in the dorm sees them, they may not be "approachable"...

27 posted on 11/02/2005 11:56:53 AM PST by frogjerk (LIBERALISM - Being miserable for no good reason)
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To: MineralMan

Actually, the RA's are residents of the dorm who also get paid to advise the students.

However, the bible study was in the RA's residence behind closed doors. I seriously doubt they want to defend the position that the RA is always on the clock 24 hours a day, and therefore any speech or conduct on the part of the RA is subject to government control.


28 posted on 11/02/2005 11:57:13 AM PST by NavVet (“Benedict Arnold was wounded in battle fighting for America, but no one remembers him for that.”)
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To: frogjerk

But RA's and RM's are students. And their rooms are their homes during the school year. The dorm room is the student's home away from home. They are banning Bible study in student's homes/rooms, by asserting that they are 'employees'. Wow.


29 posted on 11/02/2005 11:57:33 AM PST by fortunecookie
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To: MineralMan

So what? Does being an government employee prohibit one's First Amendment right to freedom of religion on one's own time?


30 posted on 11/02/2005 11:58:07 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: wmichgrad

"I believe that most RAs receive free room and board as compensation for services, but they are students who ultimately pay the schools to attend classes."

You're right. They are compensated for their work. That makes them employees.

My only comment was that the headline was misleading. There is no ban on Bible study in the dorms. There is a ban on RAs leading such Bible studies in the dorm they supervise. Makes some sense, I guess. I don't really care, frankly, but the headline was inaccurate.


31 posted on 11/02/2005 11:58:30 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: fortunecookie

"They are banning Bible study in student's homes/rooms, by asserting that they are 'employees'. Wow."

Whatever it takes.


32 posted on 11/02/2005 11:58:42 AM PST by L98Fiero
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To: NavVet
The university claims the ban is necessary because some students might not feel RAs who lead Bible studies are "approachable.”

So some students are prejudiced against Christians and the school wants to support them in their bias? That's real open minded of them!

33 posted on 11/02/2005 11:59:17 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: NavVet; thompsonsjkc; odoso; animoveritas; mercygrace; Laissez-faire capitalist; bellevuesbest; ...

Moral Absolutes Ping.

I've got take some time off from FR. I just cannot believe this. I mean, it's not that I doubt the veracity of the above article (what I've read of it).

It's just that the aggressive, fiendish assault on God is like a tsunami as it approaches a harbor. People who see this evil for what it is have got to stand up and take action.

Not APPROACHABLE? What do they mean? Won't go in for pansexual orgies?

Freepmail me if you want on/off this pinglist.


34 posted on 11/02/2005 11:59:41 AM PST by little jeremiah
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To: NavVet

This will be overturned.

It's overt religious discrimination.


35 posted on 11/02/2005 12:00:02 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

"So what? Does being an government employee prohibit one's First Amendment right to freedom of religion on one's own time?"

It shouldn't. I don't care if RAs lead Bible Studies. I care that the headline appeared to say that no Bible Studies were allowed in the dorms. That was my post.

Whether the University can do what they did is another matter, but New Smacks got the headline wrong...my only point.


36 posted on 11/02/2005 12:00:41 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Nightshift; little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K

Christian discrimination ping


37 posted on 11/02/2005 12:01:33 PM PST by tutstar (OurFlorida.true.ws)
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To: SaveTheChief

This isn't an assault on 'Christianity'. Its an assault on Bible studies led by state employees on state property.


38 posted on 11/02/2005 12:01:53 PM PST by conserv13
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To: MineralMan

RAs are employees? Man, things sure have changed in the 30+ years since I went to college.

Are you sure about this?


39 posted on 11/02/2005 12:01:58 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: NavVet

"... banned resident assistants (RAs) from leading Bible studies ..."

So let someone else lead it then. However, there's still no reason anyone should be barred from doing this on his own time. I'm assuming the R.A. that prompted this was not leading the Bible study as an official representative of the University.


40 posted on 11/02/2005 12:02:13 PM PST by nosofar
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To: little jeremiah
I've got take some time off from FR. I just cannot believe this. I mean, it's not that I doubt the veracity of the above article (what I've read of it).

Which is why you MUST stay and continue the fight against the left!

41 posted on 11/02/2005 12:04:17 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: NavVet

They will force Resident Assistants to hold back alley Bible studies.


42 posted on 11/02/2005 12:04:34 PM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: CSM
Something about just getting out of the Army sorta made me approachable to the Freshmen on the floor....

Well, someone has to by the beer.

43 posted on 11/02/2005 12:06:07 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: savedbygrace

"RAs are employees? Man, things sure have changed in the 30+ years since I went to college.

Are you sure about this?"

Yep. They're employees. They receive compensation, in the form of free rent. They have job descriptions, duties, and responsibilities assigned to them by their employer.

Frankly, as I've said, I see no reason they shouldn't lead Bible studies. My point was that the New Smacks headline was incorret. The school is not banning Bible Study in the dorm at all. It is banning some of its employees from leading Bible Studies in their dorm. Big difference.


44 posted on 11/02/2005 12:07:17 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: savedbygrace

Yeah, Let's ban Bible Studies so we can go watch the Hard Core Live Sex shows on Campus Cable TV! Makes a lot of sense to me!


45 posted on 11/02/2005 12:07:37 PM PST by Bushman2 (Keep Texas a RED State, THANKS TO TOM DELAY)
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To: MineralMan
"Misleading title."

No it's not.
I worked for the university when I went to college. I ran the concession area in our basketball arena.

Should I have not been allowed to run a bible study on my dorm floor?

This is outrageous. Butts need to kicked and names taken.
46 posted on 11/02/2005 12:07:59 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: tutstar

Got it! My ping is up the thread.

But thanks. This is really a bad one. Universities are cesspools. Porn? Great. Gay everything all the time? Fine! Womyns' studies that are nothing but lesbian ranting and porn? Awesome. Communism and socialism as Gospel? Very good. Porn stars and prostitutes leading workshops? Covered by the consitution.

But Bible studies by employees, on their own time in their private quarters? VERBOTEN!


47 posted on 11/02/2005 12:08:02 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: yankeedame
Or Wiccan.

Yes, that too.

48 posted on 11/02/2005 12:08:50 PM PST by Mark17
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To: conserv13

It's an assault on a perso being allowed to do things which might make them "unapproachable" if they are a public employee.

And what do the powers-that-be think makes a person unapproachable? The only thing they seem to have banned is overt acts of christianity.

If they force female RAs to wear Burkas because otherwise muslims might find them unapproachable, I'll believe this isn't an assault on christianity.


49 posted on 11/02/2005 12:08:52 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: MineralMan
My only comment was that the headline was misleading

LOL, Bullet | Messenger > MineralMan
50 posted on 11/02/2005 12:08:54 PM PST by andyk (Go Matt Kenseth!)
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