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Paris Riots spread throughout north-east (7th Night of Violence and Burning)
Radio New Zealand ^ | Nov 03, 2005 | staff

Posted on 11/03/2005 12:23:12 AM PST by Southack

Paris riots spread throughout north-east Posted at 8:20pm on 3 Nov 2005

Violence broke out in impoverished Paris suburbs for the seventh straight night, with rioters clashing with police and leaving a trail of torched cars and vandalised buildings.

Observers are pointing to France's failure to address deep problems of poverty and immigration, including tensions with its Muslim minority.

In Aulnay-sous-Bois in the worst-affected area of Seine-Saint-Denis, a police station was briefly besieged by gangs of youths while a gymnasium and a garage were set ablaze and a commercial centre vandalised.

A total of 40 vehicles, including two buses, were torched before midnight in nine towns in the Seine-Saint-Denis area, a high-unemployment largely-immigrant region. Police made 15 arrests.

Two primary schools were also damaged in the area northeast of the French capital.

The riots started last Thursday following the accidental electrocution of two youths, aged 15 and 17, who had scaled an electrical relay station's walls to escape a police identity check in Clichy-sous-Bois.

The firing of a police tear gas grenade against a mosque in Clichy-sous-Bois during clashes on Sunday also sparked rage in the suburb's large Muslim community.


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To: Americanwolf
This is scaring the pants off me -- a scary thing in and of itself! Am I overreacting?

A question for you all -- in all seriousness. How does a free society handle this -- other than dealing with the actual criminals and crimes? If you start to limit the freedoms of all Muslims, who's next? Yes, the Baptists, Lutherans and Amish may seem peaceful and harmless, but I recall reading some "definitions" of religious extremists during the Branch Davidian episode, and the definition could easily have been applied to me or anyone who puts God first in their lives. If we look at Islam as the enemy, what is to prevent Judaism or Christianity from being the enemy tomorrow?

How can we secure our safety without destroying our freedom?

101 posted on 11/03/2005 4:03:52 AM PST by Chanticleer (A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson)
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To: Jimmy Valentine

How do you say "insurgency "in french?


102 posted on 11/03/2005 4:08:50 AM PST by magua
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To: Americanwolf
the police are not reacting with overt force in hopes of not creating a massive conflict

They are going to end up creating a de facto permanent Muslim-occupied zone within France - a zone where non-Muslims and law enforcement officers dare not tread - if they don't want this, they've got to fight the battle now, while the situation is not completely hopeless.

103 posted on 11/03/2005 4:09:20 AM PST by LikeLight
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To: Southack

Has anyone seen pictures of these 'youths' throwing stones, attacking cars, etc? MSM always seems to get the RIGHT shot in Israel, yet they somehow seem to have miss the opportunity in Paris. Seriously people, where are those great AP action shots?


104 posted on 11/03/2005 4:10:13 AM PST by wedwo
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To: LikeLight
The police are already saying some areas were completely lost already before the riots. They drive thru, don't stop, with windows up.
105 posted on 11/03/2005 4:11:51 AM PST by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: EBH
"No matter what the politicians say, some neighborhoods are all but lost," said Patrice Ribeiro national secretary of the Synergie police officers' union.

Sounds like the police are just using this episode to push for a pay raise or something.

106 posted on 11/03/2005 4:13:06 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Reid and his clowns can pout their cherry lips and put on a big show . . . ain't nobody watchin')
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To: EBH

These ares will soon become "dirty little arab towns".If they aren't already.


107 posted on 11/03/2005 4:14:59 AM PST by magua
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To: Southack

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1514523/posts

Youths on the Paris estates have promised ‘40 nights of violence’


108 posted on 11/03/2005 4:15:30 AM PST by kanawa
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To: Southack

But the whirled newz two-night hasn't mentioned anything about it so it can't be so bad, can it? Perhaps if some white people rioted then they would mention it?


109 posted on 11/03/2005 4:16:31 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: EBH
The police are already saying some areas were completely lost already before the riots. They drive thru, don't stop, with windows up.

Sounds like the Cabrini-Green housing project on the south side of Chicago up until about ten years ago.

Ironically, those projects became docile as a sheep pasture after the city of Chicago contracted a group that included the Nation of Islam to provide security personnel.

110 posted on 11/03/2005 4:16:58 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Reid and his clowns can pout their cherry lips and put on a big show . . . ain't nobody watchin')
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To: Southack
On Fox & Friends early this AM they did a segment on the continued rioting. It looked like someone had told Steve Doocy not to say the word 'Muslims'. He kept struggling for descriptive terms, such as "They are from the...poor...sections North and East of Paris. They are primarily...uh...from North Africa and...most of them are...uh...poor, and...uh, black..." Never one utterance of the M word, and the slant seemed to be that they are rioting because Paris has refused to assimilate them, as if they've done all they can do to fit in.
111 posted on 11/03/2005 4:17:11 AM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Southack

Paris under siege...talk about a standing headline.


112 posted on 11/03/2005 4:18:34 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: EBH
They have no work. They have nothing to do. Put yourself in their place," said Abderrahmane Bouhout, president of the Clichy-sous-Bois mosque, where a tear gas grenade exploded Sunday evening. Local youths suspected a police attack, and authorities are investigating.

Put myself in their place. Hmmm.... I can imagine having no work. I can imagine having nothing to do. I can't imagine rioting over it. I would find a way to market my education and skills or learn new skills. If I needed to relocate to find opportunities, I'd move. I can't believe there are no options for people who want to work and improve their situation.

113 posted on 11/03/2005 4:20:46 AM PST by Chanticleer (A free society is a place where it's safe to be unpopular. -- Adlai Stevenson)
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To: jslade

It'd be like the Germans had already occupied Britain in 1940!


114 posted on 11/03/2005 4:21:08 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Lancey Howard
Don't they have some levees they can dynamite?

Heh...good one!

115 posted on 11/03/2005 4:23:10 AM PST by evad ( PC KILLS-)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

They need to retreat somewhere.


116 posted on 11/03/2005 4:23:36 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Chanticleer

They have no work. They have nothing to do. Put yourself in their place," said Abderrahmane Bouhout, president of the Clichy-sous-Bois mosque, where a tear gas grenade exploded Sunday evening. Local youths suspected a police attack, and authorities are investigating. This is the biggest crock of you no what.The insurgency has started,this dude is in total denial.1970 answers for ugly events.How last century.


117 posted on 11/03/2005 4:26:03 AM PST by magua
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To: Chanticleer

You start by understanding they are using our own God given Rights against us to establish their own Republic in which others(us) lose our Right to Freedom of Religion. They are trying to establish a worldwide Theocracy, which is in direct conflict with what the US stands for.

The joke is on us, in that our own liberal left has been taking away that Right for sometime now; with their own twisted rhetoric, we can no longer discern when our Right to Freedom of Religion is under attack. We have all been taught to tolerate the 'differences' to even celebrate them. You see because of PC, we call them terrorists, insurgents, criminals, etc. when in reality they are enemies of the United States. They are not here or there to cause mischief, but to overthrow the governments of the West. I don't see other religions planning and plotting away the Rights of other citizens.

That's the difference.


118 posted on 11/03/2005 4:29:00 AM PST by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: Americanwolf

"I read on Foxnews that Chirac thinks they can resolve this issue with discussion and understanding"

Can anyone say Neville Chamberlain?


119 posted on 11/03/2005 4:29:59 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: F15Eagle

what would "potatoes of the tree" be?


120 posted on 11/03/2005 4:31:22 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (The search for someone to blame is always successful. - Robert Half)
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To: Southack

This is what happens when you invite millions of lunatic death cultist Jihadis to live in your country.


121 posted on 11/03/2005 4:33:15 AM PST by tomahawk
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To: moose2004
Peace in our time! (By "our time" I mean just under a year.)
122 posted on 11/03/2005 4:34:22 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Southack

Dare we challenge the PC taboos and ask, "Do these "immigrants" really want to intergrate into the West?"


123 posted on 11/03/2005 4:34:40 AM PST by junta (It's Jihad stupid!)
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To: Chanticleer

Islam is cancer.

You deal with it the way you deal with cancer, before it kills you.


124 posted on 11/03/2005 4:34:51 AM PST by tomahawk
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To: Chanticleer
If you have a chance go back a read the hotlink in its entirety. Quite disturbing, they get all tangled up in themselves trying to blame themselves,
125 posted on 11/03/2005 4:37:28 AM PST by EBH (Never give-up, Never give-in, and Never Forget)
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To: moose2004

Chirac is in total denial.What is he going to do pay them off with his oil for food money.


126 posted on 11/03/2005 4:38:14 AM PST by magua
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To: mainepatsfan

Shave the mustache and he even looks like Chirac.


127 posted on 11/03/2005 4:39:19 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: Southack

UPDATE---

Shots fired as French riots escalate


By Paul Carrel
34 minutes ago



BOBIGNY, France (Reuters) - Rioters shot at police and fire crews in the worst night in a week of violence in poor Paris suburbs, as France's conservative government struggled to respond to the unrest.

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Youths rampaged in nine poor suburbs north and east of Paris, home to North African and black African minorities frustrated at their failure to get jobs or recognition in French society, leaving a trail of destruction behind them.

"It's a dramatic situation. It is very serious and we fear that the events could even get worse tonight," said Francis Masanet, secretary general of the UNSA police trade union.

Prefect Jean-Francois Cordet, the government's top official in the Seine-Saint-Denis region, confirmed rounds had been fired at police and fire crews in three separate incidents.

"Four live bullets were fired. Two shots were fired at La Courneuve against police. One shot was fired at Noisy-le-Sec against fire crews, and one shot was fired against fire crew in Saint-Denis," he told a news conference.

Cordet did not say what sort of weapon had been fired but media said local police recovered shotgun cartridges from the scene at La Courneuve.

No one was reported as hurt in the shootings, which marked an escalation in the level of violence that left 177 charred vehicles and damaged a primary school and shopping center.

Cordet said four police officers and two fire fighters were hurt, including one who was burned on the face by a Molotov cocktail. Twenty-nine people were detained and 23 remained in custody, he added.

Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin discussed the crisis with elected officials from the riot struck areas, as the government struggled to respond to the violence and the opposition taunted the conservative's much-vaunted crime record.

He will hold a working lunch with Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, his potential rival to lead the right in 2007 presidential elections, in a display of unity after government squabbling over how to respond to the violence.

ZERO TOLERANCE

Governments across Europe have been confronted with violence in deprived inner city areas, and the unrest in France comes despite Sarkozy's anti-crime drive led in the wake of President Jacques Chirac re-election in 2002, won on law and order issues.

The week of unrest first broke out in the Clichy-sous-Bois suburb after two teenagers were electrocuted while apparently fleeing police during a local disturbance. The deaths touched off pent up frustrations in the area and quickly spread to other underprivileged dormitory towns that ring the Paris area.

"Because of this, we will not go to school tomorrow. Look at the pollution, we can't even breathe and I'm asthmatic," one resident in the Blanc-Mesnil area told Reuters television after a seventh straight night of unrest in the Paris region.

Sarkozy, whose attacks on the "scum" behind urban violence have prompted the opposition to say he has enflamed passions, visited the operations room in the Bobigny suburb overnight, out of the sight of cameras that usually accompany him everywhere.

The minister, who has vowed "zero tolerance" on rioters, told lawmakers on Wednesday he had dispatched an extra 2,000 police and gendarmes to troubled areas.

"When I hear some people say that the presence of police can be provocative for some people, if the presence of police provokes some people, I know a lot of others who are delighted that the police and the gendarmes are in their area," he said.

A trade union representing policemen described the unrest as a "civil war" and called on Sarkozy to impose a curfew in the affected areas to ensure violence did not spiral out of control.

The day after Chirac called for dialogue and for calmer minds to prevail, Social Cohesion Minister Jean-Louis Borloo said people should not develop a one-sided image of the suburbs.

"One must not think for one second that this is the life of these neighborhoods," Borloo told France 2 television. "They are an integral part of our country. It is in these neighborhoods that most companies are being founded."

(Additional reporting by Kerstin Gehmlich and Jon Boyle)


128 posted on 11/03/2005 4:41:29 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: magua

This is Chirac's and France's moment of reckoning, they can put a stop to the violence or try to appease the criminals. Guess which option they'll chose?


129 posted on 11/03/2005 4:42:34 AM PST by moose2004 (You Can Run But You Can't Hide!)
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To: moose2004
Perhaps the Muslims will make him come to Compiègne to sign the cease fire.
130 posted on 11/03/2005 4:44:17 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: Pharmboy
Social Cohesion Minister Jean-Louis Borloo

What the heck is a "Social Cohesion" Minister?
131 posted on 11/03/2005 4:47:19 AM PST by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: Southack
22d-Century Broadway musical: Le Muz.

Hit tune: "Will You Join in our Jihad?"

132 posted on 11/03/2005 4:51:27 AM PST by Snickersnee (Where are we going? And what's with this handbasket?)
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To: Southack
Yep.

'05 Proving To Be Worst Newspaper Year Since Recession

--snip--

IT'S OFFICIAL: 2005 WILL BE the newspaper industry's worst year since the last ad industry recession. And things aren't looking much better for next year either, according to a top Wall Street firm's report on newspaper publishing. "Sadly, 2005 is shaping up as the industry's worst year from a revenue growth perspective since the recession impacted 2001-2002 period," says the report from Goldman Sachs, adding a warning that meaningful growth in 2006 is "very unlikely."

--end snip

133 posted on 11/03/2005 4:55:04 AM PST by Alia
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To: magua
"They have no work. They have nothing to do. Put yourself in their place," said Abderrahmane Bouhout, president of the Clichy-sous-Bois mosque, where a tear gas grenade exploded Sunday evening.

What a STUPID thing to say! There are plenty of people who have "no work" and thye don't start riots. Perhaps if they would integrate and learn the language of their adopted country they could get a job? And as for having "nothing to do", that's just BS. "Nothing to do" so it's OK to burn and riot? Utterly ridiculous...

134 posted on 11/03/2005 4:56:06 AM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: Southack

Real French revolution requires barricades. So far none have been reported.


135 posted on 11/03/2005 4:58:12 AM PST by bert (K.E. ; N.P . Chicken spit causes flu....... Fox News)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Minister of Propaganda??


136 posted on 11/03/2005 4:59:03 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: blinachka

Its the non-muslim French population that will be doing the "intergrating" in the new Eurabia.


137 posted on 11/03/2005 5:00:50 AM PST by junta (It's Jihad stupid!)
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To: Pharmboy
Just heard report on NPR (opposition research disclaimer) - said area was "poor", "unemployment high" (as if that would sufficiently explain everything) - the word "Muslim" was never uttered - said firefighter was injured when molotov cocktail was thrown on him - said TV crew was pulled from their car and the car burned.

How long can the battle rage before the enemy is publicly named?

138 posted on 11/03/2005 5:07:23 AM PST by LikeLight
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To: CurlyDave
According to Pym Fortune, it isn't just lack of assimilation that is the problem, it's the growing number of Muslim female head of household families. Papa muslim drops family off in Europe to collect the benefits and dad goes back to the ME. Under muslim law, mama muslim isn't allowed to discipline her sons so the male youth roam the streets as predators.

Considering what happened to Pym, I suspect he spoke the truth.

139 posted on 11/03/2005 5:11:40 AM PST by lizma
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To: Pharmboy

Well, I notice Reuters managed to do a whole article without the word Muslim. Awkward and childish sounding, but they pulled it off.


140 posted on 11/03/2005 5:11:49 AM PST by LikeLight
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To: Chanticleer

Simple.

Rioting, burning, looting are not protected activities under the Constitution.

If the individuals involved in those activities are dealt with, soon the rest get the message. Like with any common street criminal, if you do not meet force with force, you will lose. It is not a difficult concept.


141 posted on 11/03/2005 5:12:00 AM PST by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: F15Eagle
Actually, he was arrested months before 9/11.

The holdovers from the Reno DOJ-and the incompetent face-savers in the FBI-just didn't do anything with him.

Torture*cough*interrogation.

142 posted on 11/03/2005 5:12:21 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: LikeLight

Reuters is worse than AP...no surprise.


143 posted on 11/03/2005 5:14:18 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Axhandle

What?


144 posted on 11/03/2005 5:15:05 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Southack
This is very similar to the events of Fallujah. After the initial provocation and civil unrest, there was a period of time when Iraq held it's breath, wondering if we were going to smash the city in rage, or back down in fear.

Our mistake was thinking that the Sunnis would understand anything other response.

So, despite our motives and noble intent to find a peaceful solution, our actions were universally perceived as 'backing down'. This emboldened the resistance, and lead to a devastating and bloody siege that left the city in ruins. Our generally admirable desire to negotiate and seek understanding actually costs lives and prolongs problems when they aren't caused by a lack of understanding in the first place.

Now, these sububrs in France are becoming the Fallujah to Paris's Baghdad. A symbol of successful defiance. A base of strength from which to hide, recruit, and plan. The longer the French wait to act, the weaker and more vulnerable they will be perceived to be. Should they fail to do anything at all, then they are setting up a nightmare scenario where local extremist leaders will have built street credibility, connections and a myth of valorous resistance. Those are the building blocks of a real insurgency. Treating the heads of these extremist gangs as serious, legitimate leaders and opening dialog with them will be like spraying gas on the fire.

France will wish they had dealt with this while they had the chance, rather than waste time in empty negotiations. These rioters aren't motivated by a lack of sensitivity, economic opportunity and understanding. If they were, every city in North Africa would be in flames.

The rioters want power, and they intend to take as much from the French as they can get.

Somewhere within these mobs, France's 'Abu Musab al Zarqawi' is coming to power.

145 posted on 11/03/2005 5:15:44 AM PST by Steel Wolf (* No sleep till Baghdad! *)
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To: OPS4

Chirac may have to act like a "cowboy" to get this under control. ;-)


146 posted on 11/03/2005 5:18:01 AM PST by LucyJo ("I have overcome the world." "Abide in Me." (John 16:33; 15:4)
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To: Southack

Shots fired as French riots escalate
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051103/ts_nm/france_riots_dc_12


147 posted on 11/03/2005 5:19:45 AM PST by thierrya
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To: Southack

mama always said, "violence begets violence"

mama says, "it's time to show the islimes
what their violence has wrought them."


148 posted on 11/03/2005 5:20:51 AM PST by From One - Many (Able Danger - No Intelligence Failure - Media Lied Again)
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To: Triggerhippie; jslade; MPJackal; singfreedom; Siouxz; BykrBayb; Petronski; Southack; ncountylee; ...

http://www.city-journal.org/html/12_4_the_barbarians.html


149 posted on 11/03/2005 5:22:33 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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