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Paris Riots spread throughout north-east (7th Night of Violence and Burning)
Radio New Zealand ^ | Nov 03, 2005 | staff

Posted on 11/03/2005 12:23:12 AM PST by Southack

Paris riots spread throughout north-east Posted at 8:20pm on 3 Nov 2005

Violence broke out in impoverished Paris suburbs for the seventh straight night, with rioters clashing with police and leaving a trail of torched cars and vandalised buildings.

Observers are pointing to France's failure to address deep problems of poverty and immigration, including tensions with its Muslim minority.

In Aulnay-sous-Bois in the worst-affected area of Seine-Saint-Denis, a police station was briefly besieged by gangs of youths while a gymnasium and a garage were set ablaze and a commercial centre vandalised.

A total of 40 vehicles, including two buses, were torched before midnight in nine towns in the Seine-Saint-Denis area, a high-unemployment largely-immigrant region. Police made 15 arrests.

Two primary schools were also damaged in the area northeast of the French capital.

The riots started last Thursday following the accidental electrocution of two youths, aged 15 and 17, who had scaled an electrical relay station's walls to escape a police identity check in Clichy-sous-Bois.

The firing of a police tear gas grenade against a mosque in Clichy-sous-Bois during clashes on Sunday also sparked rage in the suburb's large Muslim community.

TOPICS: Breaking News
KEYWORDS: cristalsemaine; denmark; eurabia; france; muslim; paris; parisriots; religionofpeace; religionofpeas; riots; rop
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To: Chanticleer


Rioting, burning, looting are not protected activities under the Constitution.

If the individuals involved in those activities are dealt with, soon the rest get the message. Like with any common street criminal, if you do not meet force with force, you will lose. It is not a difficult concept.

141 posted on 11/03/2005 5:12:00 AM PST by Stashiu (RVN, 1969-70)
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To: F15Eagle
Actually, he was arrested months before 9/11.

The holdovers from the Reno DOJ-and the incompetent face-savers in the FBI-just didn't do anything with him.


142 posted on 11/03/2005 5:12:21 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: LikeLight

Reuters is worse than surprise.

143 posted on 11/03/2005 5:14:18 AM PST by Pharmboy (The stone age didn't end because they ran out of stones.)
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To: Axhandle


144 posted on 11/03/2005 5:15:05 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: Southack
This is very similar to the events of Fallujah. After the initial provocation and civil unrest, there was a period of time when Iraq held it's breath, wondering if we were going to smash the city in rage, or back down in fear.

Our mistake was thinking that the Sunnis would understand anything other response.

So, despite our motives and noble intent to find a peaceful solution, our actions were universally perceived as 'backing down'. This emboldened the resistance, and lead to a devastating and bloody siege that left the city in ruins. Our generally admirable desire to negotiate and seek understanding actually costs lives and prolongs problems when they aren't caused by a lack of understanding in the first place.

Now, these sububrs in France are becoming the Fallujah to Paris's Baghdad. A symbol of successful defiance. A base of strength from which to hide, recruit, and plan. The longer the French wait to act, the weaker and more vulnerable they will be perceived to be. Should they fail to do anything at all, then they are setting up a nightmare scenario where local extremist leaders will have built street credibility, connections and a myth of valorous resistance. Those are the building blocks of a real insurgency. Treating the heads of these extremist gangs as serious, legitimate leaders and opening dialog with them will be like spraying gas on the fire.

France will wish they had dealt with this while they had the chance, rather than waste time in empty negotiations. These rioters aren't motivated by a lack of sensitivity, economic opportunity and understanding. If they were, every city in North Africa would be in flames.

The rioters want power, and they intend to take as much from the French as they can get.

Somewhere within these mobs, France's 'Abu Musab al Zarqawi' is coming to power.

145 posted on 11/03/2005 5:15:44 AM PST by Steel Wolf (* No sleep till Baghdad! *)
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To: OPS4

Chirac may have to act like a "cowboy" to get this under control. ;-)

146 posted on 11/03/2005 5:18:01 AM PST by LucyJo ("I have overcome the world." "Abide in Me." (John 16:33; 15:4)
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To: Southack

Shots fired as French riots escalate

147 posted on 11/03/2005 5:19:45 AM PST by thierrya
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To: Southack

mama always said, "violence begets violence"

mama says, "it's time to show the islimes
what their violence has wrought them."

148 posted on 11/03/2005 5:20:51 AM PST by From One - Many (Able Danger - No Intelligence Failure - Media Lied Again)
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149 posted on 11/03/2005 5:22:33 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: bert

This is not a revolution it is an insurgency.It can be a very good thing.Better now then 5 years from now.Europe is getting it smack in the center of its anti-americanism.They can turn away and deny or face the trojan horse that their polticians openned the door for.

151 posted on 11/03/2005 5:22:55 AM PST by magua
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To: Southack

They need to unload the rubber bullets & replace them with real ones.

152 posted on 11/03/2005 5:26:30 AM PST by nina0113
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To: Southack

F France
They reap what they sow

153 posted on 11/03/2005 5:26:41 AM PST by RocketJsqurl
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To: melsec
My TV tells me it's just another lot of poor underprivileged downtrodden repressed people.

NOLA "evacuees"? LOL!

154 posted on 11/03/2005 5:27:07 AM PST by Timeout
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To: Chanticleer

Well, it should scare the pants off of everyone. However, Islam and Christianity, Jews, other religions aren't the same. No other religion promotes hatred, violence, death, beheadings, lying, torture, ignorance, virtual hatred of women...whatever it takes to seize power and convert everyone left standing or simply kill them. There is a difference, and this is why separation of church and state matters.

But when a cult or religion promotes death and violence, if they preach the overthrow of the govt. by violent means from the pulpit, they've broken the law and should be dealt with accordingly. As for the Branch Davidians...David Koresh was a pedophile. He should have been arrested when he left the compound. The feds handled it terribly, but we can thank Hillary and Janet Reno that 85 children died and who knows how many adults. Hillary gave the order for the tanks to move in. She said she sick of watching it play out on TV.

155 posted on 11/03/2005 5:34:22 AM PST by hershey
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To: Southack

Well, I guess they will just have to give the Muslims half of France for peace. After all, that is what France wants Isreal to do. Time to show that they can put their land where their mouth is.

156 posted on 11/03/2005 5:35:01 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: FrogBurger


157 posted on 11/03/2005 5:35:44 AM PST by conservatrice
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To: Southack
It's hard to feel sorry for a nation that insists on adopting the defense technique of the ostrich.

(But there is a reason the French have adopted this foolish mechanism of defense. They are drunk on the deadliest drug on earth.)

And this dispite countless, constant, warnings--and the fact that anyone with an I.Q. above cinquante knew it wouldn't work in the first place--and that the drug was deadly and addictive.

The more the French struggle to escape the horrors of the past--notably the religious wars--the more inexorably they plunge directly into them.

As the Greeks observed at the dawn of European history: "You can't excape your fate." And the French are--yet again--proving the point.

The possibility that they will awaken in time to save themselves becomes more doubtful with each passing day. And it's highly questionable that a people who lack the will to survive deserve salvation or are even capable of it.

As France sinks further and further into the Third World, there will be a rush to save her ancient treasures--that is, the ones the Muslims don't blow up.

Those of us who love France can only shake our heads at their foolishness and our regret.

Too bad we can't shake the French into waking to reality--but obviously reality is beyond them, at this point--it will come crashing down upon them, but it will sadly be too late.

The alarm clock went off a long time ago, and they're still snoozing. They seem comatose. They are drunk.

In fact, they are mindlessly drunk on the most dangerous drug there is--one with the potential to intoxicate any of us--one whose consequencences are deadly--one far more poisonous that crack cocaine or heroin or opium or morphine or any and all of the drowsy syrips of the world and whose consequences are far more devastating--the drug is denial.

Denial is a river. It flows endlessly. It has no end. And the French drink from it, bathes in it, wallow in it, stay drunk on it. It has blinded them.

158 posted on 11/03/2005 5:39:35 AM PST by Savage Beast (The internet is the newspaper of record.)
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To: beyond the sea
The French Connection, Jaqueline, the SECOND wife is the real story behind Joey's lying intrigue.

Got link? you've got me interested.......

159 posted on 11/03/2005 5:41:24 AM PST by RushCrush
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If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
160 posted on 11/03/2005 5:45:53 AM PST by SJackson (God isn`t dead. We just can`t talk to Him in the classroom anymore, R Reagan.)
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