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Lawmaker Wants Fence On 2,000-Mile U.S.-Mexico Border
theindychannel ^ | POSTED: 6:34 am EST November 3, 2005

Posted on 11/03/2005 4:54:56 AM PST by InvisibleChurch

Lawmaker Wants Fence On 2,000-Mile U.S.-Mexico Border Fence Would Cost Billions Of Dollars

POSTED: 6:34 am EST November 3, 2005

WASHINGTON -- A House Republican wants to build a fence along the entire 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexico border, a plan that could cost billions of dollars and one that critics say would do little to stop illegal immigration.

California Rep. Duncan Hunter, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, plans to introduce legislation that would create a two-layer reinforced fence with lighting and sensors from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico, a 100-yard border zone to the north of the barriers and 25 new ports of entry.

Currently, most of the westernmost 14-mile stretch of the border is lined with parallel fencing. There is secure fencing at other vulnerable points, but long stretches of the border are protected only by patchy barbed wire or nothing at all.

"Illegal aliens continue to funnel directly into many of our local communities and adversely impact our way of life by overwhelming our schools, inundating our health care system and, most concerning, threatening our safety," said Hunter, who was working on the bill with Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va.

He said building a fence and enforcing immigration laws could reverse the trends.

A conservative group called Let Freedom Ring that is promoting a border fence estimates it would cost about $8 billion.

Republican Gov. Bill Owens of Colorado recently announced his support for the project, but Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, has said he does not think a fence would stop illegal immigration.

Groups including National Council of La Raza, the largest U.S.-based Hispanic advocacy group, oppose a fence.

"It doesn't really deal with why people are migrating or why our economy is so dependent on their labor," said Cecilia Munoz, the group's vice president of policy. "The resourcefulness of people on both sides of the border is likely to be greater than a fence."

Dan Stein, president of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, planned to join Hunter at his news conference Thursday to support the idea.

"The U.S. and Mexico, if they're going to remain friends they're going to need good fences," Stein said.

Hunter's bill contains other immigration reforms including authorizing 10,000 new Border Patrol officers, empowering local police to enforce immigration laws and increasing penalties for hiring illegal immigrants.

Hunter is a leading opponent of illegal immigration who earlier this year pushed the Bush administration to commit to fortifying the westernmost 3½ miles of the border, over the objections of environmentalists, the California Coastal Commission and the local Democratic congressman.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; billowens; border; defense; duncanhunter; homelandsecurity; illegalimmigration; immigrant; immigrantlist; immigration; laraza; mexico; terrorist

1 posted on 11/03/2005 4:54:57 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch

I would like to see a nice fence built between the United States and Mexico but I don't think it will ever happen.


2 posted on 11/03/2005 4:58:32 AM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender

There are fences there at certain stretches! And all the fences do is slow em up a tad!

Nothing short of a "Berlin wall" will stop them.


3 posted on 11/03/2005 5:01:14 AM PST by crz
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To: crz
"There are fences there at certain stretches! And all the fences do is slow em up a tad!

Nothing short of a "Berlin wall" will stop them."
>>>>...........................................
Israel builds concrete fence walls that work very well.

IF illegals know there is no employer here to give them work and that when caught here they are deported that week then the flow will stop.

Bush's let em stay here plan does nothing but reward those who makes fools of the Border patrol. As long as BUSH and Chertoff -Gonzales keep up this "if you get here you are home free" plan- no wall or fence on the border makes any sense..
4 posted on 11/03/2005 5:11:28 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: crz
Nothing short of a "Berlin wall" will stop them.

Not a passive Wall; but an active one: hit anything between the perimeter walls and you get a commission; hit anything outside the walls and you go to jail for murder.

5 posted on 11/03/2005 5:13:24 AM PST by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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To: InvisibleChurch

land mines would be more effective and a greater deterent


6 posted on 11/03/2005 5:14:36 AM PST by beekay
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To: InvisibleChurch

Me too and we want it 30 foot high and electrified and have a clearing of at least 600 feet on each side.


7 posted on 11/03/2005 5:15:51 AM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: beekay

Land mines are a GREAT IDEA. They would be less expensive over the long haul, too.


8 posted on 11/03/2005 5:16:30 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: RKV

Even if it cost billions..it would be cheaper than what the illegals cost us......


9 posted on 11/03/2005 5:20:57 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: InvisibleChurch

Only way we'll see this type of fence is on Mexico's southern border per CFR plans to have the NAFTA countries merge as a regional security zone.


10 posted on 11/03/2005 5:21:33 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: RKV
Land mines are a GREAT IDEA.

To put the leftists in a snit, call it the Princess Diana Memorial Mine Field. :-)

11 posted on 11/03/2005 5:22:43 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: peyton randolph

How many of these people are legal....from the freeper article below about Heroin...

The arrests

Arturo Acosta Fernandez, 33: two counts of transportation and sale of narcotic drugs; held without bond

Maria Antonia Acosta-Salazar, 32: two counts of transportation and sale of narcotic drugs; bond not set

Elsa Carolina Ancheta, 39: two counts of money laundering; $100,000 bond

Jesus Manuel Garcia, 29: two counts of possession of narcotic drugs for sale; two counts of transportation and sale of narcotic drugs; one count of drug paraphernalia violation; $300,000 bond

Sergio Luis Garcia, 28: one count of illegal control of enterprise; two counts of narcotic drug violation; one count of possession of narcotic drugs for sale; three counts of transportation and sale of narcotic drugs; one count of drug paraphernalia violation; held without bond

Ofelia Rodriguez-Lopez, 24: two counts of possession of narcotic drugs for sale; $100,000 bond

Manuel Magaña-Lopez, 22: two counts of money laundering; one count of transportation and sale of narcotic drugs; $100,000 bond

Oscar Magaña-Lopez, 38: one count of a narcotic drug violation; one count of transportation and sale of narcotic drugs; one count of failure to appear; $200,000 bond

Louis Schirka, 32: two counts of possession of narcotic drugs for sale; bond not set

Troy Tuggle, 27: two counts of possession of narcotic drugs for sale; bond not set

Felipe de Jesus Valenzuela, 24 : two counts of possession of narcotic drugs for sale; bond not set

Also arrested was Ignacio Cabralez Navarro, who is in custody in California; charges not available.

Rafael Acosta Perez remains in a local hospital and has not been booked into jail.

Four outstanding warrants remain for Carlos Acosta Camacho, Gilardo Castillo-Lopez, Yesenia Duarte-Medina and Paul Thomas Murrell


12 posted on 11/03/2005 5:24:48 AM PST by Youngman442002
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To: solitas

I would sooner go for bounty. So much per head for those nabbed and brought in.


13 posted on 11/03/2005 5:26:27 AM PST by crz
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To: peyton randolph
Princess Diana Memorial Mine Field LOL. Dude, you have a wicked mind. Funny as hell, but WICKED.
14 posted on 11/03/2005 5:27:52 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

"A conservative group called Let Freedom Ring that is promoting a border fence estimates it would cost about $8 billion."

It would save us way more than that.


15 posted on 11/03/2005 5:30:34 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: InvisibleChurch

"Republican Gov. Bill Owens of Colorado recently announced his support for the project, but Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, has said he does not think a fence would stop illegal immigration."

It would if it were electrified and there were gun emplacemnets every so often, perhaps randomly placed and moved daily.


16 posted on 11/03/2005 5:32:28 AM PST by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: RKV
Or maybe "Princess Diana Memorial Mine Field For the Children." :-)
17 posted on 11/03/2005 5:33:15 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: Preachin'

I would gladly pay a fence tax or levy.


18 posted on 11/03/2005 5:34:04 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: crz

bounty/commission = po-tay-to/po-tah-to

:)


19 posted on 11/03/2005 5:35:28 AM PST by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender

Sounds like a great idea, as long as the fence is concrete, 20 feet high above ground and 15 feet below ground, topped with razor wire, 10 feet wide so you can walk along the top, and with guard towers every few hundred yards.

Let's do the same up north, too. Canada is a favored entry point into North America for ME types.

Cost is no object, as the net savings from a program would make it pay for itself very quickly.


20 posted on 11/03/2005 5:35:48 AM PST by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: Adder
It would if it were electrified and there were gun emplacemnets every so often, perhaps randomly placed and moved daily.

What about those microwave weapons they've been testing for crowd dispersal? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6182817

21 posted on 11/03/2005 5:36:34 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: crz

Bounty on those already in the country - another winner! Ya' have to be very careful about this one though. The point is to catch. detain and remove them, not to turn the country into Dodge City. The pro-illegal immigration faction would beat us over the head with that one.


22 posted on 11/03/2005 5:37:38 AM PST by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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Why are Hispanic Advocacy Groups foaming-at-the-mouth opposed to this, at the same time claiming it will have NO EFFECT? We spend $200 million on an Alaska bridge to nowhere, $300 billion to rebuild the City Under the Sea, and $7 billion to prepare for Bird Flu, which won't happen. The price of this fence is reasonable. Why does Bush keep peddling this "temporary work program" which will only ENCOURAGE more people to sneak in? Bush is incompetent. I'm convinced a Democrat would do better at controlling immigration. And I'm pretty conservative.

The sad fact is many business owners benefit from the cheap labor at everyone else's expense, and they have influence.


23 posted on 11/03/2005 5:39:51 AM PST by captainblacksmith
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To: Rennes Templar
"I would gladly pay a fence tax or levy."

I think that there should be two fences.

Each fence should be at least 40 foot high to lower the use of ladders.

The fences should be made of a very strong material that cannot easily be cut.

I suggest concrete blocks about 6 feet thick, with rebar uses to reinforce them.

The wall should be at least 20 feet under ground to inhibit tunnels.

Strategically placed motion detectors will let us know if there is any activity outside the fence on the Mexican side.

The fences should be about 30 feet away from each other to make it extremely difficult to build a bridge walkway above them.

There should be attack dogs placed between the fences.

Since the INS can't do there job, they need to be reclassified as park rangers, with their primary job being the care taking of the dogs.
24 posted on 11/03/2005 5:44:57 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: captainblacksmith
"The sad fact is many business owners benefit from the cheap labor at everyone else's expense, and they have influence."

Actually, most of the rest of us do, too.

Hispanics do most of the labor for new construction here in Atlanta, but homeowners aren't shy about using them to have their house re-painted or re-roofed, either.

I'm all for building the fence, but it's not just the businnes owners fault.
25 posted on 11/03/2005 5:48:35 AM PST by Preachin' (Enoch's testimony was that he pleased God: Why are we still here?)
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To: ConsentofGoverned

IF illegals know there is no employer here to give them work and that when caught here they are deported that week then the flow will stop

Lets not forget the social services that are offered to illegals up to and including reduced tuition at our colleges and mortgages.


26 posted on 11/03/2005 5:50:56 AM PST by TomasUSMC (FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM.)
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To: Youngman442002
In open arid terrain like the southwest and like we saw in Kuwait, the U.S. Military built 20 ft berms just by scraping up the dirt/sand in the area. If we started back 1/2 mile from the border I am sure we could create such a barrier at minimal expense. For the labor that could not be done with dozers and loaders we could establish temporary camps to house healthy illegal alien male that we apprehended. Put them to "work" for the cost of feeding them and when they were done take them back to the border and send them home...

Time to get serious.
27 posted on 11/03/2005 5:53:28 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: InvisibleChurch

Heh-heh, it would be delightfully ironic if illegals ended up building it.


28 posted on 11/03/2005 6:09:11 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: crz

they forgot the need for landmines to supplement the fence.


29 posted on 11/03/2005 6:17:24 AM PST by diverteach
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To: InvisibleChurch

30 posted on 11/03/2005 6:19:14 AM PST by southernnorthcarolina ("Shut up," he explained.)
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The claim that a fence could not help is ridiculous. The project is not just a fence that is built then abandoned to watch what happens. The fence is a tool to affect the busy migration corridors, perhaps focusing traffic into tighter zones easier to manage by the Border Patrol.

The biggest obsticle to this project is how insulting it is to Mexicans. This needs to be politically-correctified by emphasizing how it will raise the wages of Mexicans already in the US, by calling it one of these:
Fence of Empowerment
Enfranchisement Monument
Impenetrable Wall of Enfranchisement
Freedom Wall
US/Mexico Adhesive Zone


31 posted on 11/03/2005 6:20:38 AM PST by captainblacksmith
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To: beekay
May I suggest......


32 posted on 11/03/2005 6:21:42 AM PST by jslade
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To: InvisibleChurch

We need to gain control of our borders, that's a given. But what do we do when the rest of the hemisphere falls apart because they can't govern themselves without widespread drugs/graft/corruption, and thievery? Millions of Mexicans, mainly the poor, have already arrived, (a quarter of the population, in fact), and now a poll taken in Mexico reveals that half of those remaining in Mexico would head north in a wink. This is the middle class. People all over this hemisphere, outside the US and Canada, are sick and tired of living conditions. Two thousand Costa Ricans announced this a few years back...they were also sick of hurricanes. They were planning to head north, walking, and once they got here, they weren't leaving. Guess what. They arrived and they won't leave.

So what does the US do when envy, anti-Americanism takes home in a big way...we have our big strong wall protecting prosperity, liberty, all the freedoms guaranteed in the Constitution, and someone, say, Chavez, gets nukes and decides to blow up DC or L.A., sending it in through a container or whatever? We will continue to be the dartboard for every other country in trouble economically and socially. I just mention this as well, common sense. What do we do? Bush and the CFR (One Happy Hemisphere), proposed globalization to prevent all this, and so far it's failed. Plus we have Islamofascism to deal with. A wall won't solve everything, but we need to control our borders and should start from that premise no matter what.


33 posted on 11/03/2005 6:42:17 AM PST by hershey
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To: hershey

I think I meant 'envy, anti-Americanism takes hold in a big way'.


34 posted on 11/03/2005 6:44:50 AM PST by hershey
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To: InvisibleChurch

"Good fences make good neigbors", a chain link fence yes, a tall concrete wall no.


35 posted on 11/03/2005 6:50:25 AM PST by jpsb
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To: captainblacksmith

How about the enviro-friendly "Trash catcher" as I know its windy down there...


36 posted on 11/03/2005 6:52:48 AM PST by LachlanMinnesota
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To: Disambiguator
Sounds like a great idea, as long as the fence is concrete, 20 feet high above ground and 15 feet below ground, topped with razor wire, 10 feet wide so you can walk along the top, and with guard towers every few hundred yards.

One of the proposals I've seen that I like is that they would use the freeway sound barrier walls. I think they are typically 20ft high concrete barriers. I like your reccomendation of making them at least 15 ft below ground. A free-fire zone on our side of the fence would probably be useful too.

None of this, of course, is going to happen because Bush doesn't want to do anything about illegal immigration. He just doesn't give a damn.

37 posted on 11/03/2005 7:00:52 AM PST by zeugma (Warning: Self-referential object does not reference itself.)
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To: Preachin'

That should do it!


38 posted on 11/03/2005 7:15:18 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Poll: Most Americans favor border fence
39 posted on 11/08/2005 5:52:44 AM PST by Mikey (Freedom isn't free, but slavery is.)
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