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Immigrant workers often not being paid for Katrina clean-up efforts
ktvotv3.com ^ | Associated Press | Associated Press

Posted on 11/05/2005 2:21:04 PM PST by Eternal Sea

GULFPORT, Miss. Immigrants who are doing much of the grunt work in the clean-up after Hurricane Katrina are often finding themselves working for free -- but not by choice. Thousands of Hispanic immigrant laborers are being stiffed in Mississippi. Sometimes their bosses disappear. Sometimes they are promised payment at a later date.

It's a violation of the federal labor law not to pay workers, but many of the workers are illegal.

One man who paid 12-hundred dollars to be smuggled into the U-S from Mexico after Katrina hit has been waiting six to be paid for eight days of dawn-to-dusk labor.

A subcontractor blames the process by which payments from the U-S Army Corps of Engineers are made. But an Army Corps spokeswoman says she's not aware of any problems.

Workers who aren't paid have two options. They can file a civil suit in state court or file a federal complaint.

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TOPICS: Front Page News
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals

1 posted on 11/05/2005 2:21:05 PM PST by Eternal Sea
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To: Eternal Sea

Welcome to the land of slave labor...slave labor which, if not stopped will destoy our culture.


2 posted on 11/05/2005 2:23:27 PM PST by calrighty (C'mon troops, finish em off!!)
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To: Eternal Sea

Illegal immigrants=no pay.


3 posted on 11/05/2005 2:23:55 PM PST by brivette
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To: Eternal Sea

Maybe if they werent Illegal they could go to court and challenge it!


4 posted on 11/05/2005 2:24:40 PM PST by HHKrepublican_2 (you cant spell liberal without an L an I and an E...If the first ammendment doesnt work, use the 2nd)
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To: Eternal Sea

It is immoral to not pay the workers, but what should be done is to pay them and then turn them into Immigration Services.


5 posted on 11/05/2005 2:24:48 PM PST by ConservativeMind
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To: brivette; calrighty; ConservativeMind

It is almost poetic justice that they got stiffed. They are not immigrants at all, like the article tries to imply, but are nothing more than insurgents.


6 posted on 11/05/2005 2:28:18 PM PST by Eternal Sea
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To: HHKrepublican_2

They really have no right at all to complain, since they broke the law by coming in.


8 posted on 11/05/2005 2:30:47 PM PST by Eternal Sea
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To: Eternal Sea

This is very true.


9 posted on 11/05/2005 2:31:26 PM PST by brivette
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To: brivette

Insurgent is the exact term that these people need tagged with. They are not immigrants at all, and illegal alien doesn't have the proper punch.

They are insurgents fighting an insurgency.


10 posted on 11/05/2005 2:35:46 PM PST by Eternal Sea
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To: Eternal Sea
This may be an example of the law of unintended consequences.

Or maybe it's a misunderstanding, illegals thinking it's the land where everything is free was actually the land where you work for free.

12 posted on 11/05/2005 2:38:04 PM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Eternal Sea

Maybe after crossing the border doesn't yield them what they want they'll go home?


13 posted on 11/05/2005 2:38:21 PM PST by thoughtomator (Alito Akbar)
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To: Eternal Sea

You can pick up your check at the local INS office.


14 posted on 11/05/2005 2:40:42 PM PST by austinaero
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To: austinaero

I'd like to add, the companies hiring these illegal laborers should be shut down as well!


15 posted on 11/05/2005 2:41:27 PM PST by austinaero
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To: All

you see it all the time in news clips


bad guy goes in to rob the convience store, the cash register is empty... they go bullistic because there is no money and start breaking things and sometimes hurting themselves, some even sue the store owners


16 posted on 11/05/2005 2:49:37 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: brivette

Choice quotes on the matter of immigrants in the Bible many on here would find enlightening:

Deuteronomy 24:14

Do not take advantage of a hired man who is poor and needy, whether he is a brother Israelite or an alien living in one of your towns.

Deuteronomy 24:17
Do not deprive the alien or the fatherless of justice

Jeremiah 22:3
This is what the LORD says: Do what is just and right. Rescue from the hand of his oppressor the one who has been robbed. Do no wrong or violence to the alien, the fatherless or the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place.

Ezekiel 22:29
The people of the land practice extortion and commit robbery; they oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the alien, denying them justice.

Leviticus 19:10
Do not go over your vineyard a second time or pick up the grapes that have fallen. Leave them for the poor and the alien.

Zechariah 7:10
Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the alien or the poor. In your hearts do not think evil of each other.

Deuteronomy 10:17
He defends the cause of the fatherless and the widow, and loves the alien, giving him food and clothing. And you are to love those who are aliens, for you yourselves were aliens in Egypt.


17 posted on 11/05/2005 2:51:34 PM PST by catchphrase (Better a little with righteousness, than a lot with injustice. Proverbs 16:8)
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To: catchphrase

I notice you leave out all the quotes from the Bible that tells us to obey the law.


18 posted on 11/05/2005 3:06:04 PM PST by raybbr
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To: gubamyster

ping


19 posted on 11/05/2005 3:06:58 PM PST by raybbr
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To: catchphrase

Thanks for the posts. These commandments, such as they are, are the basis for a civilized community. In other words, failure to observe these laws reflect on us all.



Now if Dubya had of sealed the borders, these "sins" would not have happened ....so Yes, it's "Bush's Fault"


20 posted on 11/05/2005 3:15:43 PM PST by investigateworld (Abortion stops a beating heart)
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To: Stingy Dog
"Why employ illegal aliens when these same jobs can be given to American citizens?"

Send me these citizens...I need roof work done, a fence put up, my house painted, and my driveway pavers reset. Our farms need pickers, and my local McDonalds is desperate for help.

Send me your grandchildren to works these jobs.

21 posted on 11/05/2005 3:33:32 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Eternal Sea
"They really have no right at all to complain."

Hiring illegal aliens, knowing that they are illegal aliens, with the intention of not paying them is an a#&hole thing to do.

The people whose mind set would allow them to do that to an illegal, will just as easily justify ripping you off.

22 posted on 11/05/2005 3:36:22 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: raybbr
"I notice you leave out all the quotes from the Bible that tells us to obey the law."

That's the same technique used by Islamofascists to turn the Qu'ran into an instrument of hatred, and by those here to interpret it the same way.

23 posted on 11/05/2005 3:38:31 PM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: catchphrase

Then what about this passage from the New testament,

Matthew 12:18
"Here is my servant whom I have chosen, the one I love, in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will proclaim justice to the nations.

Notice that nations are proclaimed. A nation has borders, and a nation that does not have a border and one without laws cannot define justice. Illegal immigrants break laws and the government overlooks therefore allowing this type of behavior does not promote a very good model of justice.

God is a god of laws and order. We cant give to the needy and welcome foreigners unless we first establish law and order, first things first…

Most people don't have a problem with legal immigrants.


24 posted on 11/05/2005 3:39:50 PM PST by seastay
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To: Luis Gonzalez
That's the same technique used by Islamofascists to turn the Qu'ran into an instrument of hatred, and by those here to interpret it the same way.

Are you comparing me to an islamofascist?

Luis, your illegal groveling self is back.

27 posted on 11/05/2005 4:05:52 PM PST by raybbr
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To: Eternal Sea

Hopefully word will get out and these people will go home.


28 posted on 11/05/2005 4:22:00 PM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: Stingy Dog

Well if it is legal then there has to be some standards, I agree with you just paying lip service to the word legal is not in the sprit of actually enforcing any law.

Laws have to have some higher authority in charge and that somebody needs to limit the immigration for example, so as to make shure slums and conditions do not overtake communities, If there are no limits then in effect just making something that was illegal legal by erasing the laws, is not serving a nation and justice. In addition, in order to be legal, people have to flowing the rules like everyone else;

Having to pay income tax like at same rate as everyone else.

Having to have insurance to drive like everyone else.

Having his or her kids to pass English in order graduate from high school like everyone

Paying out of state tuition of they is from ‘out of state’

Following the health codes

Adhering to the building codes

being eligible for a job based upon merit and not a quota, which would be unfair to everyone else



These are just some examples....


29 posted on 11/05/2005 4:25:13 PM PST by seastay
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To: Eternal Sea
It's a violation of the federal labor law not to pay workers, but many of the workers are illegal.

Lawbreakers (crooked employers) ripping off lawbreakers (illegal aliens).

30 posted on 11/05/2005 8:09:04 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: sure_fine
bad guy goes in to rob the convience store, the cash register is empty... they go bullistic because there is no money and start breaking things and sometimes hurting themselves, some even sue the store owners

Your analogy is really bad. The illegals are not using guns, they are not thieves, they have not gone ballistic, and if anyone is the thief, it is the guy who promises to pay and then does not pay.

31 posted on 11/05/2005 9:51:12 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Navy Patriot
illegals thinking it's the land where everything is free

Care to provide some documentation for that. According to the article, these people worked. That does not seem to support your notion that they think everything is free.

32 posted on 11/05/2005 9:53:09 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Eternal Sea
Insurgent is the exact term that these people need tagged with.

Why is that ? You think they are similar to the iraqis who use roadside bombs to kill our soldiers ?

33 posted on 11/05/2005 9:55:24 PM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue

Insurgencies come in many forms, not all violent and not all with evil intent; these are insurgents, violating the border and violating the law.


34 posted on 11/06/2005 7:51:52 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring; Eternal Sea

Insurgents is a term that I had heard very very rarely except to describe the terrorists in Iraq.

Labeling the illegals as insurgents is a disingenious use of the word in a dishonest smear campaign of the type that is usually associated with democrats and liberals.

I find it very disturbing that alleged conservatives would stoop to this level.

You guys don't want the illegals here, that is fine and you may even have a case for it. But don't pull this crap.
First it does not work. People are smarter than you think.

And you are making conservatives look bad when you try this.


35 posted on 11/06/2005 9:11:08 AM PST by staytrue
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To: raybbr
No, I am comparing your methods to those used by an Islamofascist.

It's a bitter pill.

"Illegal."

ROTFLMAO!!!!

36 posted on 11/06/2005 10:43:22 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Stingy Dog
"Come to think of it, it's an excellent method for these illegal invaders not wanting to come back here and steal American jobs."

It's you who's justifying stealing here.

37 posted on 11/06/2005 10:44:27 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: raybbr
P.S. Go back and try your hardest to actually follow my original post to you.

I was co comparing the methods used by the guy you were addressing to Islamofascists.

It was you who commented to catchphrase that they had conveniently parsed the Bible to suit their agenda, I was commenting on the fact that Islamofascists do the same thing to the Qu'ran.

I see that neither your reading comprehension nor your manners have improved in the slightest during my absence.

38 posted on 11/06/2005 10:53:25 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Some people see the world as they would want it to be, effective people see the world as it is.)
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To: Eternal Sea
Immigrants who are doing much of the grunt work in the clean-up after Hurricane Katrina are often finding themselves working for free -- but not by choice.

I bet their first mindful reaction isn't to "take this job and shove it" and leave the greener pastures of freedom is it?

39 posted on 11/06/2005 10:54:48 AM PST by EGPWS
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To: staytrue

Well, insurgents is only one of the applicable words. You could apply "criminals" or "invaders," but the context is important, so the term "insurgent" is most appropriate.


40 posted on 11/06/2005 11:04:33 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring

Insurgent is most commonly used today to describe the anti american terrorists in iraq.

Your lame attempt to link them to the illegals is simply stupid.

People are smarter than that.

The illegal immigrants are in fact illegal immigrants.

It is not working, give it up.


41 posted on 11/06/2005 3:40:56 PM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue
illegals thinking it's the land where everything is free

Care to provide some documentation for that.

While it is impossible to document the thoughts of individuals unless they reveal those thoughts themselves, actions of the individuals can be an indication.

People are motivated to break the law when they believe they can obtain something valuable for little or no expenditure of their own resources and not face negative consequences. A fair description of an illegal's thought pattern.

A legal will have expended the time, resources and effort to arrive legally and thus has already paid his part so, obviously, a legal does not think everything is free. Occam's razor indicates an illegal holds the opposite perception of a legal.

42 posted on 11/06/2005 5:50:45 PM PST by Navy Patriot (Who's the idiot that let Santa Ana live?)
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To: Navy Patriot
People are motivated to break the law when they believe they can obtain something valuable for little or no expenditure of their own resources and not face negative consequences. A fair description of an illegal's thought pattern.

Totally wrong

People break the law for all kinds of reasons. Some do it out of conscience (christians in rome, tianemin square, the underground railroad in pre civil war US). Some do it for material gain. Some do it for sexual gratification. Some do it for power. Some do it for revenge. Some do it just to do it (vandalism).

Second, the illegals do expend a lot of resources (they come from many miles, leave their families and often work when they get here).

43 posted on 11/06/2005 9:06:30 PM PST by staytrue
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To: staytrue

I refuse to consider them "immigrants," thereby implying they should stay here. They are temporarily here until caught and expelled or executed as spies.

If someone comes into your home without your permission, he's a "home invader," not an "undocumented tenant."


44 posted on 11/06/2005 9:07:42 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: staytrue
Totally wrong

I'm sorry, neither "Totally wrong", nor "wrong" can truthfully describe my statement: People are motivated to break the law when they believe they can obtain something valuable for little or no expenditure of their own resources and not face negative consequences. A fair description of an illegal's thought pattern.

Regardless of additional reasons that individuals break the law, it stands that my statement was correct in itself, as you specify: Some do it for material gain.

Please note that I do not accept your attempt to equate illegals with Christians and abolitionists and their disregard for tyrannical and unjust laws. Immigration law does not approach that level of evil.

45 posted on 11/07/2005 4:13:59 PM PST by Navy Patriot (French put out fires with Vichy water.)
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