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WAL-MART BANS CHRISTMAS: BOYCOTT LAUNCHED
Catholic League ^ | 9 November 2005 | William Donohue

Posted on 11/09/2005 11:50:22 AM PST by big'ol_freeper

WAL-MART BANS CHRISTMAS:

BOYCOTT LAUNCHED

A woman who recently complained to Wal-Mart that the store was replacing “Merry Christmas” with “Happy Holidays” received an e-mail response from Customer Service. It appears below in its exact form:

“Walmart is a world wide organization and must remain conscious of this. The majority of the world still has different practices other than ‘christmas’ which is an ancient tradition that has its roots in Siberian shamanism. The colors associated with ‘christmas’ red and white are actually a representation of of the aminita mascera mushroom. Santa is also borrowed from the Caucuses, mistletoe from the Celts, yule log from the Goths, the time from the Visigoth and the tree from the worship of Baal. It is a wide wide world.”

To which Catholic League president Bill Donohue says: “This statement was signed by someone called Kirby. When I read it, I thought he might be drunk. But I was wrong. We sent Kirby’s response to Wal-Mart’s headquarters only to find that Dan Fogleman, Senior Manager, Public Relations, agrees. After acknowledging that he read Kirby’s response, Fogleman said, in part, the following”:

“As a retailer, we recognize some of our customers may be shopping for Chanukah or Kwanza gifts during this time of year and we certainly want these customers in our stores and to feel welcome, just as we do those buying for Christmas. As an employer, we recognize the significance of the Christmas holiday among our family of associates…and close our stores in observance, the only day during the year that we are closed.”

Bill Donohue says: “It’s nice to know that Wal-Mart is closed on a federal holiday. Now here is why I am asking the leaders of 126 religious organizations that span seven religious communities to boycott Wal-Mart. Go to its website and search for Hanukkah and up come 200 items. Click on Kwanzaa and up come 77. Click on Christmas, and here’s what you get: ‘We’ve brought you to our ‘Holiday’ page based on your search.’ In other words, Wal-Mart is practicing discrimination.”


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To: Graybeard58

I remembered that from the old Bob Newhart Show. The first one, I think, where he played a shrink.


101 posted on 11/09/2005 12:15:32 PM PST by Past Your Eyes (I'm just sitting here on the Group W bench.)
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To: So Cal Rocket

Your link sent me to a page selling Siberian shamanism trees! ;)


102 posted on 11/09/2005 12:15:35 PM PST by Boss_Jim_Gettys (Willing to compromise...NOT)
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To: Blueflag

Whitewash.


103 posted on 11/09/2005 12:16:16 PM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone

Not when I have many Jews in my family, work with Hindus and am friends with many Buddhists, all of which celebrate Christmas.. at that, the only people I know who don't celebrate Christmas are a Christian family who believes it is rooted with anti-Christian messages..


104 posted on 11/09/2005 12:16:18 PM PST by mnehring (My Karma ran over your Dogma)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Ill shop Walmart too, so Ill see you there : )


105 posted on 11/09/2005 12:16:19 PM PST by sasafras ("Licentiousness destroyes order, and when chaos ensues, the yearning for order will destroy freedom.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

You really think a Walmart PR person was knowledgeable enough about religious history to write this? Even if he were, would he respond as such? This is typical BS coming from the anti Walmart folks....


106 posted on 11/09/2005 12:16:57 PM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: mnehrling

Well then you admit that when they look for Christmas they actually mean Christmas.


107 posted on 11/09/2005 12:17:10 PM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I punched up chrismas, and there is a tree with the word holday above it but if you look at the column next to it on the left you see a quick link box to the mentioned items.


Holiday


Indoor Decor

Christmas Trees

Wreaths

Ornaments

Stockings

Tree Skirts

Decorations

Outdoor Decor

Inflatables

Lawn Decor

Gifts

Holiday Gift Baskets

Christmas Bouquets

Santa Suits


108 posted on 11/09/2005 12:17:11 PM PST by mark in iowa
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To: Protagoras
gee, I avoid Walmart simply because everything they sell is made in China

I support Wal-Mart in that regard. The Chinese people aren't stupid. They know what they're making...they're gonna want it...

I LOVE THE SPREAD OF CAPITALISM!!!

109 posted on 11/09/2005 12:18:30 PM PST by paulat
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To: ThisLittleLightofMine
Good plan! Back in the good old days, young girls would have sweet little innocent dolls to play with but now they have lil gansta dolls called BRATZ Big Babyz. I suppose for that special little girl who wants to play pretend games with her dolls such as, "let's loot in New Orleans", "baby BRATZ manufactures and distributes crackz", or "Big Babyz in a drive by"...these little dolls would be perfect.
110 posted on 11/09/2005 12:18:57 PM PST by WashingtonStateRepublican
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To: The Red Zone

No, spend it at the Radio Shack at White Oak Shopping Center in Silver Spring, MD and buy a cell phone from ME. I can't speak for all of Radio Shack, but I celebrate Christmas. Come in after 6 pm since I will be working at the FDA during the day.

And RS doesn't call it Black Friday. We call it Hot Friday.

By the way, Radio Shack is giving all of its employees off Thanksgiving as well as Christmas.


111 posted on 11/09/2005 12:19:25 PM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://trss.blogspot.com/)
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To: All

Oh, and when you go to the Catholic League site they have the email address of the Wal Mart manager who did NOT apologize for the smears by Kirby.


112 posted on 11/09/2005 12:20:10 PM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: dighton
"Sorry, this alleged message pins my bogometer..."

You are lucky the needle on my old fashioned "Bull $hit" detector broke off on this one.

113 posted on 11/09/2005 12:20:43 PM PST by Mad Dawgg ("`Eddies,' said Ford, `in the space-time continuum.' `Ah,' nodded Arthur, `is he? Is he?'")
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To: mnehrling

I thought that was Usa, Japan.


114 posted on 11/09/2005 12:20:54 PM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://trss.blogspot.com/)
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To: big'ol_freeper

You really think a Walmart PR person was knowledgeable enough about religious history to write this? Even if he were, would he respond as such? This is such a joke!


115 posted on 11/09/2005 12:21:31 PM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: The Red Zone
mistletoe from the Celts, yule log from the Goths,... the tree from the worship of Baal.

I have no idea if this email is bogus or not. I tend to believe it just because of the source. They do tend to put a Catholic "spin" on things, but I've never known them to just distribute bogus stuff.
As to the origins of the three things listed above, they are right on the money. I know the tree thing is hard to swallow, it was for My wife and I, but it is describes in Gods word. I do not have my copy with me here at work, but I will get the reference tonight. I don't know if it is directly baal worship, but it is closely associated.

Cordially,
GE
116 posted on 11/09/2005 12:21:34 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: paulat
They know what they're making...they're gonna want it...

Possibly true which is why I will buy religious Christmas cards from China.

117 posted on 11/09/2005 12:21:39 PM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: JZelle

It takes you to the holiday page because there are over 7,000 items with the word "Christmas" in them. You have the option of continuing to the search results if you'd like.

This is just more hysterical garbage from the church.


118 posted on 11/09/2005 12:22:07 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I'm sorry, but it just makes sense for a company to be sensitive to all it's customers.

Meanwhile, Donahue is insensitive to those of us who believe that Christmas and "Shopping" don't go together in the religious sense. I'm sick of the commercialization of christmas, and think it is a great thing that "christmas sales" are changed to "holiday sales".

What the heck does a new blender have to do with Christmas?


119 posted on 11/09/2005 12:22:13 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Lunatic Fringe

I guess you didn't read the whole article Donohue wrote. He said that on the Walmart site if you click on Kwanza you get lots of items, same is true clicking on Hanukkah. But, when you click on "Christmas" up comes the advice "We brought you our "holiday page", why not "Christmas page." Sounds discriminatory to me. Donohue is a smart cookie. He would't get his panties in a bunch over nothing. Read John Gibson's new book on why we don't have Christmas any more. Christmas isn't PC.


120 posted on 11/09/2005 12:22:16 PM PST by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: GrandEagle

Trees have been used for a jillion things. The Christmas tree in its modern incarnation was thought up by Martin Luther who would have had a kitten if you had accused him of Baal worship.


121 posted on 11/09/2005 12:22:54 PM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow; aculeus; Mad Dawgg; Coop
Pins? I think mine just exploded ;)

Epidemic of Injuries and Deaths from Cheap Chinese Wal-Mart Bogometers

;-)

122 posted on 11/09/2005 12:23:03 PM PST by dighton
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Dude,Target is MILF-city.


123 posted on 11/09/2005 12:23:12 PM PST by Crawdad (So the guy says to the doctor, "It hurts when I do this.")
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Like most stores they say its OK to make money on Christmas shopping, we just don't want to recognize it.


124 posted on 11/09/2005 12:23:15 PM PST by Exton1
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To: mollynme

Then, I did a search for Satanism:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/search-ng.gsp?search_constraint=0&search_query=Satanism&ics=20&ico=0


125 posted on 11/09/2005 12:23:17 PM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://trss.blogspot.com/)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I worked in the christmas tree lot at Home Depot a few years ago for extra cash. We were told to say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" to the people buying CHRISTMAS TREES so we wouldn't offend anyone.


126 posted on 11/09/2005 12:23:24 PM PST by Pylon (Remember boys, flies spread disease, so keep yours closed.)
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To: Graybeard58
I just came from Wal-Mart looking for a Nativity set and LOOKIE here they have tons of them in the garden center...SO it don't look like Wal-mart is boycotting Christmas! Hobby Lobby and Walmart are the only ones so far, that I have come across who carry the Nativity scene set!
127 posted on 11/09/2005 12:23:46 PM PST by RoseofTexas
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To: CharlesWayneCT

It's the act of "GIVING" that is Christmas. A blender could be Christmas to someone who didn't have a blender.


128 posted on 11/09/2005 12:24:26 PM PST by conservative blonde (Conservative Blonde)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Jeez...what crap!


129 posted on 11/09/2005 12:25:03 PM PST by Fawn (Try not---do or do not. ~~ Yoda)
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To: paulat

Yeah, and not only that but please show me a major retailer that is able to sell OTHER than Chinese made products, sheesh!


130 posted on 11/09/2005 12:25:30 PM PST by brushcop (We lift up our military serving in harm's way and pray for total victory and a safe return.)
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To: Sensei Ern

THen I did a search for Wiccan:
http://www.walmart.com/catalog/search-ng.gsp?search_constraint=0&search_query=Wiccan&ics=20&ico=0

Where the Satanism search had anti-satanist items, the Wiccan search turned up spell books, et al.

Sam would never have allowed this stuff...I think.


131 posted on 11/09/2005 12:26:09 PM PST by Sensei Ern (Now, IB4Z! http://trss.blogspot.com/)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I'm sorry but that email doesn't sound even remotely real. I think somebody's trying to start trouble for Wal Mart and/or Bill Donohue.


132 posted on 11/09/2005 12:26:21 PM PST by pgkdan
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To: big'ol_freeper

Bill Donohue says:

Contact Fogleman at

dan.fogleman@walmart.com.


133 posted on 11/09/2005 12:27:28 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: JZelle
BUt if you click on "christmas" below, you get the following:

7970 items found for “Christmas”

Now, I'm not sure why, if I specifically type in "christmas", that they would assume I would be offended by a search for "christmas" and instead want "holiday".

But I think it's because a lot of their "christmas" ITEMS which they get from manufacturers are named "Holiday" instead of "Christmas", and they just want to make sure we see all the stuff we want to see (like their "Holiday Season Lights").

134 posted on 11/09/2005 12:27:41 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Lunatic Fringe

No clue what that means.


135 posted on 11/09/2005 12:28:00 PM PST by Protagoras (To keep freedom, you must give it away)
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To: Graybeard58
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136 posted on 11/09/2005 12:28:38 PM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: pgkdan

My God, if you walk into Wal-Mart you are bombarded with Christmas! The idea of Wal-Mart "banning" Christmas based on someone not being able to read their website search result is ridiculous.


137 posted on 11/09/2005 12:28:57 PM PST by Lunatic Fringe (North Texas Solutions http://ntxsolutions.com)
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To: The Red Zone
I didn't accuse him of baal worship. Neither do I accuse those who choose to have a Christmas tree of being worshipers of baal. I'm just telling you that it is described to a "T" in Gods word as being part of a service closely associated with baal worship.
Having a "kitten" is putting it mildly.

Cordially,
GE
138 posted on 11/09/2005 12:29:07 PM PST by GrandEagle
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To: big'ol_freeper

This has to be a hoax.


139 posted on 11/09/2005 12:29:18 PM PST by Pemberleyan
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To: VU4G10

Whatchu talkin’ ‘bout? THIS is a “Holiday Tree”
140 posted on 11/09/2005 12:30:14 PM PST by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: The Red Zone
The Christmas tree in its modern incarnation was thought up by Martin Luther who would have had a kitten if you had accused him of Baal worship.

LOLOLOL!!!! Let's add a few more metaphors into the mix....I just had a hoot with the imagery!!!

141 posted on 11/09/2005 12:30:21 PM PST by paulat
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To: WashingtonStateRepublican
I'd hate to pick on Walmart, but I must admit, I am troubled by this and hope that their discrimination against Christmas ceases immediately.

U.S. Capitol Holiday Tree

And the "Holiday Tree" outside the U.S. Capitol Building doesn't bother you?

142 posted on 11/09/2005 12:30:26 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: big'ol_freeper
That darned ol' Wal-Mart! Why, they're a satanic cult! Eeeeeevil in its purest form.

Before the stores open their doors in the morning, management has to slink away to locked offices so the public can't see their horns and cloven hooves!

You can just feel the eeeeeevil flowing from those bastions of capitalist greed.

Eeeewwww. Icky.

143 posted on 11/09/2005 12:30:37 PM PST by TChris ("The central issue is America's credibility and will to prevail" - Goh Chok Tong)
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To: mollynme

Went to the link: 12 toys of christmas.

Is this what the Catholic League is complaining about, that Walmart isn't being open and honest enough about selling us toys for 12 days of christmas?

Christmas is a deeply significant religious holiday, not an excuse for excessive consumption. Why the Catholic league is complaining about Walmart trying to help us out in that regard is beyond me.


144 posted on 11/09/2005 12:30:53 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: dirtstiff

Except for the minor fact that searching for Christmas brings up a Christmas tree (labeled as such) with a link to all things Christmas.

Your comment that they "refuse to acknowledge Christmas" is what, then? Did you "mis-speak"?


145 posted on 11/09/2005 12:31:09 PM PST by dmz
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To: GrandEagle
I'm just telling you that it is described to a "T" in Gods word as being part of a service closely associated with baal worship.

And so? Just about any common item has been worshiped for myriad purposes. It has happened whether or not the Bible has documented it or not. You'd have to be satisfied to have an empty house.

146 posted on 11/09/2005 12:31:33 PM PST by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I really agree with them. Jewish families celebrate Hannakuh, not Christmas. I think it's stupid to act like Christmas is a dirty word, but in retail you do have to consider all your customers. Capitalism and all.


147 posted on 11/09/2005 12:31:38 PM PST by sandbar
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To: MineralMan
"I avoid Walmart simply because everything they sell is made in China "

"Everything? I don't think so. Some stuff, but you'll find Chinese-made goods in every store in this country. I think you're incorrect, there, Jim." Wal-Mart spent $18 billion on goods from Chinese suppliers in 2004. They spent $150 billion on goods from US suppliers. The poster hasn't a clue about what it speaks.

148 posted on 11/09/2005 12:32:03 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: big'ol_freeper
I just tested the Walmart site:

"7970 items found for 'christmas'"

149 posted on 11/09/2005 12:32:05 PM PST by TaxRelief ("Conservatives are cracking down!" -- Rush Limbaugh, October 13, 2005)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
My God, if you walk into Wal-Mart you are bombarded with Christmas! The idea of Wal-Mart "banning" Christmas based on someone not being able to read their website search result is ridiculous

I just e-mailed the Catholic League to tell them that if they would bother to actually step foot in a Wal-Mart & look for themselves they'd realize how stupid their press release is.

150 posted on 11/09/2005 12:33:09 PM PST by gdani
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