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House GOP Drop Artic Drilling From Budget Bill
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Posted on 11/09/2005 7:10:25 PM PST by sonsofliberty2000

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To: sonsofliberty2000
What a bunch of spinless wimps! With energy prices the way they are and they still couldn't include it???????

Just wait until the elections next year........

301 posted on 11/10/2005 11:04:31 AM PST by pctech
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I stand corrected. Thanks, that's one of the things I really like about FR! There's almost always someone around to set me straight when I get my facts confused.


302 posted on 11/10/2005 11:07:36 AM PST by jwpjr
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To: CharlesWayneCT
And somehow we can build a huge bridge costing millions of dollars and the environmentalists aren't removing it from the budget because of all the wildlife that will no doubt be displaced.

I would hardly characterize USGS as anti-ANWR, but everybody can seize on parts of a report and say that it argues for their cause.

As for the bridge, given where it's located, impact on wildlife would be *very* minimal.

Ketchikan's a nice place to visit, but it's not a wildlife refuge.

303 posted on 11/10/2005 11:17:26 AM PST by cogitator
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To: NYorkerInHouston

Thanks. I'd forgotten about that aspect of Bartlett's view.


304 posted on 11/10/2005 11:18:30 AM PST by cogitator
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To: USMA '71

According to the Washington Post, the group is called the Main Street Coalition.


305 posted on 11/10/2005 11:19:44 AM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
The Tuesday Group began in the late 1970's under the title of the "Tuesday lunch bunch." At first, the group included members of the Senate as well as the House. Past and long-time co-chair Mike Castle, R-Del., said he remembers taking his brown bag lunch to Maine Sen. Olympia Snowe's office to talk with a few others about the agenda for the moderates.

Members no longer have to pack their own lunches, and the group now only includes Houses members (a separate group known as the Republican Main Street Partnership includes moderate House and Senate members). But the focus on fiscal matters has remained constant-and the agenda in past years has grown to include the environment, science and defense.

Unlike the Study Group or Blue Dogs, the Tuesday Group does not make a list of their members public. It has no Web site, and even the some of the group's members are reluctant to label themselves "moderate."

This was taken directly from a Boston U Journalism Center article entitled: "Bass Takes the Reins of Tuesday Group".

306 posted on 11/10/2005 11:34:13 AM PST by USMA '71
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To: cogitator
So what about the caribou. They are not endangered or even threatened (I have the mortal remains of three of them in my freezer, they are delicious BTW). Ever drive through Texas or Oklahoma? Very common to see thousands of beef cattle milling around the oil rigs there and millions of Americans eat that beef without harmful effect. If the natives are so concerned about the caribou they can farm them like they do in Norway (The call them Reindeer)
307 posted on 11/10/2005 11:35:51 AM PST by Species8472
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To: pctech

Time for a bit of Freeping I'd say -

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2005/11/10/where-art-thine-hammer/


308 posted on 11/10/2005 11:35:58 AM PST by Weimdog
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To: Pukin Dog
It appears that not a single one of you know how this game is played.

Why don't you post a vanity about it?

309 posted on 11/10/2005 11:42:13 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: USMA '71

The Main Street Partnership (I mistakenly called it Coalition) were the authors of the letter opposing ANWR drilling sent to the House leadership. This is from the Washington Post, which quoted the MSP spokeswoman. I would be unsurprised if the Tuesday Group shares membership with the MSP, but the MSP members are known. (And apparently George Soros contributes to them.)


310 posted on 11/10/2005 11:44:03 AM PST by cogitator
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To: Godzilla
Your map shows a considerable calving area available to the herd. As the Alaskan pipeline has shown, the caribou are a very adaptable creature and have actually benefited from it. If there are initial reductions in successful calving, that will likely be made up once they've adapted to man's presence and activities. BTW, climate has significant impacts to calving too. Weather will probably have a bigger impact upon calving than drilling and oil production.

My original intent was not to argue about the specifics of the impact on caribou, but to show that the area slated for development is utilized by the wildlife of the refuge. It is, and it is used in an important manner by them. Everything else -- whether it would be to the benefit or detriment of a specific specie or species -- is speculation (with some speculations being more "informed" than others). The bottom lines are: the area would be altered, and the area is utilized by the wildlife of the refuge.

311 posted on 11/10/2005 12:15:06 PM PST by cogitator
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To: Pukin Dog
It appears that not a single one of you know how this game is played

Our Alaska Senators Stevens and Murkowski are right up front explaining how the game is played. Murkowski was on radio today explaining this ANWR maneuver. Don't know that anybody is listening outside of Alaska, but here we are fairly cosmopolitan in understanding the doings of Congress.

312 posted on 11/10/2005 12:19:52 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: cogitator

Neither was ANWR until Carter said it was. It's not like they brought a bunch of wildlife over into Alaska and put it in a refuge.

Aren't there any animals living where they have to build the bridge and the roads on those islands?

Maybe all the animals were chased away when they build that city. How did they get to build a city there, with all the wildlife? Did the take the wildlife over to the wildlife refuge?

BTW, I guess I'm still upset that the federal government can come into a state and just claim millions of acres.


313 posted on 11/10/2005 12:20:17 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Pukin Dog
You know what is embarrassing to me, RINO's.

What embarrasses me is these pieces of human debris that we elect to Congress.
314 posted on 11/10/2005 12:21:53 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Good job Ohio, we defeated George Soros at the ballot box 2 years in a row)
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To: sonsofliberty2000

Hear that clunk? That's the sound of the testicles of the House Republicans falling off and hitting the floor.


315 posted on 11/10/2005 12:22:32 PM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: dubyaismypresident

No, I agree too. However, unlike some here I do think there's still hope-guys like Ken Blackwell, and Mike Pence, and Mark Sanford, and Tom Coburn...


316 posted on 11/10/2005 12:24:58 PM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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To: RightWhale
What gets me steamed, is that FReepers cant even figure out when we are winning. Hell, Nancy Pelosi herself said that ANWR would be in the final bill, but even THAT aint enough for bitch-happy FReepers.
317 posted on 11/10/2005 12:32:17 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: RockinRight
No, I agree too. However, unlike some here I do think there's still hope-guys like Ken Blackwell, and Mike Pence, and Mark Sanford, and Tom Coburn...

Those are good men and real conservatives. I just don't know if there are enough non-Marxist voters to elect them nationally. When Reagan left office, the role of teacher of conservatism went unfilled.

The RINOs sat at home or voted Dem in NJ in 2001 to sink Bret Schundler. I wouldn't be suprised to see them do it again in Ohio, frankly.

Heck, even so called conservative Weekly Standard is writing articles entitled "Surrender to Big Government"

OK, that's all for my pessimistic rant for today.

318 posted on 11/10/2005 12:33:07 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Good job Ohio, we defeated George Soros at the ballot box 2 years in a row)
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To: Pukin Dog
Hell, Nancy Pelosi herself said that ANWR would be in the final bill, but even THAT aint enough for bitch-happy FReepers.

I will believe it when I see it. Until then I'm not running up to kick the football....(/charlie brown)

319 posted on 11/10/2005 12:34:37 PM PST by NeoCaveman (Good job Ohio, we defeated George Soros at the ballot box 2 years in a row)
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To: dubyaismypresident

Well, I think Reagan could still win today. He had a charisma, an appeal about him that people just liked.

Pence, Blackwell, and Sanford all possess that quality to some degree or another. Coburn not so much.


320 posted on 11/10/2005 12:37:00 PM PST by RockinRight (It’s likely for a Conservative to be a Republican, but not always the other way around)
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