Skip to comments.Angry Moms Boycott Eatery That Asks Kids To Keep Quiet
Posted on 11/14/2005 5:51:48 AM PST by Cagey
Parent Says Restaurant Offers Kid Food, So It Should Cater To Kids
"We were surprised at how many times we would see children really out of control," McCauley said. "And we actually had people leaving the bakery because the children were so out of control."
So, he put a sign on the door at kids' eye-level, asking children of all ages to use their "indoor voices."
"We thought it was just a friendly reminder to people that when they come here, just be considerate of the people around them. We had no idea the kind of controversy that was going to explode out of this," McCauley said.
But some parents who spoke with NBC5's Natalie Martinez took immediate offense to the sign. The angry mothers said there are plenty of places in the Andersonville neighborhood where they can take their kids, even if they're acting out.
"I've e-mailed friends and said, 'Just so you know, this man has a sign up. I know there are lots of other options, and I'd encourage you not to go there,'" parent Kate Bremmer said.
When she spoke with Martinez, Bremmer and her kids were picking out goodies at a Swedish bakery, where all kids are welcome.
"Our custom has been to offer a cookie to every child that comes into the store for as long as I can remember," said Kathy Stanton-Cromwell, the co-owner of the bakery, which is just a few doors down from A Taste of Heaven.
Stanton-Cromwell said the cookie serves as "a good calmer" for kids who are acting up.
Bremmer said A Taste of Heaven "is not a five-star restaurant," so she thinks it should cater to kids, not the other way around.
"They offer ice cream cones and cookies and lots things that kids love, and therefore, I don't think that they should make such an issue of it," Bremmer said.
Other parents enjoying lunch with their kids at A Taste of Heaven were more diplomatic.
"I have mixed feelings about it. It's a little off-putting," one mother said.
Linda Wallace, also a mother who eats at A Taste of Heaven, said she thought McCauley was "sort of brave" for putting up the sign.
"It did cross my mind that he might offend some people," she said.
McCauley said he loves kids, although he has none of his own. He said he has no immediate plans to take the sign down.
Betting these moms are the type of people who are jabbering loudly into their cell phones without regard for the people around them.....
oh i see, you are new to parenting. well for starters, at that age you don't take them to the same sorts of places that you can when they are bigger and able to behave. My husband and i took turns taking our kids to church when they were that age, so that they would not disrupt the people around us. it is a mistake to believe that failure to behave is a manifestation of personality. don't buy into that. of course you can't discipline a one year old, but you can control where she goes and when bigger you can teach them where it is appropriate to be quiet. my kids are now 11, 14 and 17 and we have always gotten compliments on their behavior at restaurants and other places. and they sure as heck know bratty behavior when they see it exhibited by other kids. your child is a baby at 1 year old. don't confuse that with what we are talking about.
My kids have been taught since birth that even at home they sit still at the table, have conversation, do not sing, do not chant, do not throw anything, do not blow bubbles into their milk, do not whine about what is on their plate, do not bicker with each other, and say Grace before dinner. They clear the dishes when we are finished. Yes, it's a chore to teach this at every single meal, but that's what parents are for! And it pays off bigtime in the end.
Just the other night, we were out at a very nice restaurant after my daughter's piano recital, and my 8-year-old reminded us to say Grace. They were the only children in this restaurant and we got loads of compliments on their behavior. We can take them anywhere, but eating out is still a special treat to them.
If I was unruly, I'd have to go sit in the car while my Mom and Dad (gee, a set) ate. I'd either return on better behavior, or they'd bring out my food when they were done having a peaceful meal. Did the same successfully with mine a time or two.
"She's not following our rules so I guess we should discipline her, eh"
Um...yes. Where's the question? Rules are meaningless if you don't enforce them. And even 1 year olds can be disciplined.
If anything, childbirth gave me super powers. I can hear through the din, see through walls, leap over people in one bound to get the kid, and run faster than any childless person on the planet!
If some irresponsible parent allows their offspring to become a nuisance to me, I'll do whatever the law allows to remove that inconvenience from my presence.
If you have a problem with that, too bad.
After reading a story like this, I have a hard time judging a parent that doesn't act like everyone thinks they should.
Jury Convicts Mom In Chili Powder Death Trial
Irving Mother To Spend Up To 7 Years In Prison
POSTED: 5:27 pm CST November 10, 2005
UPDATED: 8:28 am CST November 14, 2005
DALLAS -- An Irving mother will spend up to seven years in prison for killing her baby daughter.
On Sunday morning, jurors convicted Angela DiSabella of manslaughter instead of capital murder.
DiSabella was on trial for suffocating to death her baby daughter, Kira DiSabella, with chili powder paste. She took the stand Thursday in her own defense.
DiSabella, who said she used the paste as a preventive for thumb sucking, said in court Thursday that her aunt told her to use chili to keep the infant from sucking her thumbs. DiSabella said she interpreted that to mean chili powder.
She said that she coated the infant's thumb with a paste of chili powder mixed with water about six times in one hour.
DiSabella said the baby was not crying, and that she thought the chili powder was working.
She told the prosecution that she did not think she was using an excessive amount of paste.
"I didn't think she was breathing it I just didn't sit there and think, 'Hmm, I wonder where this (chili powder paste) is going. What it she doing with it?'" DiSabella said.
Paramedics who arrived at the scene after the child had stopped breathing said the chili powder had blocked the girl's air passages.
An attending physician at the hospital to which the girl was taken worked for about 30 minutes to revive the baby before pronouncing her dead.
The doctor told police he believed the child died before arriving at the hospital.
Prosecutors say the baby's father will also face charges, but aren't yet saying what they might be.
Heck, my boys were also characters. They were also civil little beings. When they needed to run around and act goofy, as kids like to do, we went to places like the park. But even there they understood that in order to live around other people, you didn't do certain things, like hit, bite, push, take things away, etc.
You would probably be amazed at what an early age children can start learning to be socially acceptable, enjoyable little people.
When negative behavior affects other people trying to do business or enjoy something the children should be removed. The mothers don't have control that's why they let them do what they want. Plain and simple.
One of these days, you're gonna stick your nose into somebody's else's business and get it blown off.
If you have a problem with that, too bad.
Great! I love it.
That does tell you something about society, doesn't it?
Wow, that was excellent! I would hate to be a school bus driver, but you really seem to have come up with a method that would work.
Why would you even think saying "shhh" to a one year old would have any effect at all???
parenting your child effectively doesn't require corporal punishment, so i fail to see how an insane parent that ends up KILLING their child has any bearing on ineffectual parenting.
So, something that made my day today.
Over the weekend, I had dropped my kids off with my folks so wife and I could do some early XMas shopping.
When we got, my Dad told us that he'd taken the two oldest to a bakery in town to get some sweets.
Today, he calls me and wanted to thank me and to say he was proud of me.
Why you ask?
On the way home, my oldest son says, "Thank you for taking us to the bakery grandpa."
My dad said that he was proud of the way I was teaching my kids and that I was doing a good job. I let him know that I had the best teachers, him and my mom.
Have a good Monday everyone.
Many do not understand the difference between discipline (from disciple) and punishment.
"Spare the rod and spoil the child" isn't about hitting with a rod, it's about gently but firmly using the hooked end of a shephard's staff to return a wandering sheep to the fold, to keep the it from becoming lost.
My point was, it's amazing that any child reaches adulthood with some of the insane parents raising them. What's the line in the movie Parenthood? "You need a license to drive a car, hell, you even need a license to catch a fish, but they'll let any butt reaming asshole be a parent."
They'll probably get to vote on euthanasia for us when we're old, too.
Good for you - you and your husband need the positive reinforcement. I was in a restaurant a few years ago, there were a couple of monster kids running around, screaming, bothering other diners. Of course the parents did nothing. There was another booth with a young couple with 2 kids just about the same age. These kids were very well behaved. I made a point of stopping at their table and complimenting the kids and their parents. I know it's sometimes hard to keep your kids in line - especially when they see other kids acting like cartoon characters.
One of the funniest things I ever heard was in a restaurant in Greektown in Detroit. In a fairly nice (and pricey) restaurant there was a child that was running from table to table, grabbing things, screaming her head off - the typical monster child stuff. Of course, the parents were doing nothing. The manager had already spoken to the people. A woman patron finally stood up, walked over to the table and said, "If you don't shut that kid up, I'm going to pick her up and throw her through that window. And you'll thank me for it because that child is POSSESSED!"
The entire restaurant broke into laughter and applause.
GUARANTEE you everyone one of these whining women employ 'time out' as a form of discipline.
My youngest was my *test*. My other two were fairly easy (oldest was busy, but not all that ornery). My youngest made me pull my hair out, and at HOME we had some real knock down drag outs to put it mildly.
He also had some moments in school that were difficult to say the least. There were times I really questioned my effectivness as a parent. I am glad to report that he recently graduated from college and is fine. And interestingly, most of his teachers thought he was a hoot (I didn't).
And, yes, even he was required mind his manners in public. So, I do understand about difficult children.
i agree, there are horrible parents out there. the ones that abuse and neglect and the ones that think they are raising the crown prince and instead turn out some self centered monster who has no idea what boundaries are, bc he has always set his own!
I guess the same EXCUSE could be applied to parents. You have the alternative of taking them out of the restaurant or teaching discipline before exposing them to the Innocent public. Remember the old saying... "Your Freedom Ends Where Mine begins."
It worked but I had a lot of parents complain. But I think the kids respected me for it. Thats a big part; wrong or no discipline = no respect from kids. <----- me in my youth.
My wife and I were talking with a security guard at the Medford shopping mall. Subject of children came up somehow and she said the if they saw a mother or dad spanking their children in the mall they were "under orders to hold them for the police for child abuse"
Actually you would be the kind of teacher public schools need but because of PC liberal bull, wouldn't be allowed to teach!
Saturday night. No music, no kids. The restaurant was full of liberals, but they were the best kind of libs...QUIET ones.
"Good for you - you and your husband need the positive reinforcement"
Thank you! We are always so proud when people stop by to tell us how nice our kids are.
Whovever stood up and said "that child is possessed!" ought to get an award for the best line ever.
Ha,ha....our mother had the "look" and we all knew it. Didn't matter where we were. If you got that look you had better stop what you were doing cause if you didn't...look out!!! :) Am sure other mothers did the same thing. There were no BOOKS ON HOW TO PARENT YOUR CHILD...it came natural AND...you learned from your mother as well.
Children need to know what is right and what is wrong and if the mother is "boycotting" she is being ridiculous and reenforcing her childs ill behavior. Instead she should be teaching them to respect others arund them with proper behavior but...she chooses to reenforce their ill manners by boycotting.
I think her boycott is futile because if this bakery is as good as they say the people will support the baker. Once again, the woman doesn't realize it is a free country. People don't HAVE to go to this bakery...they CHOOSE to.
People always seem to forget we have CHOICES. Choose to buy your baked goods there or...go somewhere else where the propriet3er doesn't care much about his other patrons. Obviously, this owner DOES care about his patrons and not just one person who chooses not to discipline her children.
Now, point me in the direction of that bakery...suddenly I have a hankering for some sticky buns and crumb cake.
An example of engaging such a situation with a greater force of presence and wit, to create success.
"Then try some targeted dietary changes (it's hard), and note daily behavior. Been there, done that, and allowed an ADHD-symptom child to regain calmness with no drugs."
My oldest was very well behaved but at times acted out horribly and would cry because he wanted to stop but couldn't. We finally found out that he was reacting to dairy products. We cut them out and his outbursts disappeared within 3 days. It was amazing.
a lot of parents have had their hands tied. parents are afraid to haul off and spank or otherwise discipline because so many are reported to social services. having one adult college age student, and a high school student, in my years of raising mine, I've known lots that have ended up in anger management and otherwise had their kids taken away for spanking in the grocery store and some observer reporting the parents for abusing the kids.
so guys maybe that is why. these parents have given up and are afraid the big bad social services are going to show up for the parents disciplining the kids.
So, the time out, etc. doesn't always work. Sometimes the kid does need a spank on the backside to get their attention.
I do agree, NO REWARD FOR BAD BEHAVIOR. and yes, indoor voices please. are a step in the right direction.
but social services has been a blessing and a curse because some people will report for a swat on the butt. and it has had an impact on parents.
Parents have EVERYTHING to do with it.
"My wife and I were talking with a security guard at the Medford shopping mall. Subject of children came up somehow and she said the if they saw a mother or dad spanking their children in the mall they were "under orders to hold them for the police for child abuse"
Holy cow. Parents really can be stuck between a rock and a hard place. It's the hardest job I've ever had, I'm glad I have my husband to be my workmate. I couldn't do it without him. But imagine the scenario: mother of 5 swats unruly 6 year old at local mall, CPS called, all 5 children removed from home. Scary, and easy to understand why parents fail to discipline in public.
My response would have been: "Thank you so much for letting me know there is at least one restaurant where I can enjoy my meal in peace!"
OK, in the name of truth, I'd like to see some interviews with the places that don't mind when kids are "acting out".
Then they can do an interview with a bar that doesn't mind folks vomiting on the floor,
stores that don't mind people eating the produce,
gas stations that don't mind people who run over the windshield squeegees,
daycare centers that don't care if you're late picking up your child,
department stores that don't care when used clothing is brought back for a full refund,
designers who don't care when you call them just to steal their ideas,
restaurants that don't care if their wait staff is tipped, doctors who don't care when you don't pay,
attorney's who don't care if they get stiffed for court costs... ... , etc., etc. Yep, the rude are always with us - and those in business put up with it, but they don't like it.
Nowadays it is not safe to leave a child alone in a car. In fact, you can be arrested for it.
Your son sounds like a clone of mine. btw, mine just graduated last June too! (whew!)
firm consistent discipline.
Exactly. Positively. Also, there is plenty of love along with it but the discipline must be enforced or God help the country when these kids grow up and are told NO in school or wherever. Personally, I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing mothers dressed in low slungs and trying to look "cool" instead of acting and behaving like a mother. Bring back the aprons... :)
I just know I am going to be a crotchety old MAN waving my TASER at misbehaving little snots AND their parents.
You're completely off base on this one.
If an irresponsible parent chooses to allow their children to behave like Howard Dean in the privacy of their own home, it's not my concern.
We're talking about a failure to control the behavior of one's children in public.
Assuming personal responsibility for oneself ands one's prepubescent children IS a Conservative value.
Defending the irresponsible is not Conservative. It's not even Libertarian.
Are you sure that is the position you wish to support?
GREAT POINT!!! I bet you are absolutely correct too. GREAT POINT!!!!
hey get me one too, that sounds more fun. and if you are good at acquiring stuff like that, how about something to mount on the hood of my minvan to vaporize drivers that annoy me, as well! ; )
Exactly right. Part of the joy of working with the public, you gotta deal with all kinds. I guess, "the customer is always right" just doesn't apply anymore.