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Is Hillary a centrist? Lets look at her votes
(S)Newsday ^ | 11 / 14 / 2005 | Raymond J. Keating

Posted on 11/14/2005 12:32:16 PM PST by Personal Responsibility

Is Hillary a centrist? Let's look at her votes

President Bill Clinton was elected in 1992, and I'm still trying to figure out exactly what a "New Democrat" is. Specifically, was the phrase anything more than a cynical Clintonian effort to make liberal Democrats appear more moderate?

Looking ahead, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), who must be considered the early Democratic front-runner for the White House in 2008, seems to be adopting a similar strategy. Over the past year, much has been made in various media accounts of Clinton's leaving her liberalism behind in favor of the center.

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I think we should sit up and take notice when a rag like Snoozeday has an edtiorial with this in it:

Well, it certainly is hard to detect any centrism in her overall Senate voting record. Each year, for example, she has scored 95 percent with the left-wing Americans for Democratic Action.

1 posted on 11/14/2005 12:32:20 PM PST by Personal Responsibility
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To: Personal Responsibility

Gee, checking her record instead of listening to her baloney? What a concept.


2 posted on 11/14/2005 12:35:10 PM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: Personal Responsibility
Each year, for example, she has scored 95 percent with the left-wing Americans for Democratic Action.

She'll tell us that one needs a 96 percent or above to be considered left wing.....

3 posted on 11/14/2005 12:36:29 PM PST by b4its2late (Why is 'abbreviation' such a long word?)
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To: b4its2late

She will say that means she is in total agreement with 95% of the people.


4 posted on 11/14/2005 12:41:23 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: b4its2late

Checked Byrd, he's rated 63% so 95% is a crazy commie.


5 posted on 11/14/2005 12:44:27 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Hillary is doing so well in dem primary polls because she would be the most rabid left wing fruitcake ever to be in the White House.

Hillary votes for illegals all the time but then talks differently and people call her a centrist.

Hillary is very scary because the MSM is telling the public she is a centrist when she is a raging liberal.


6 posted on 11/14/2005 12:45:33 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: Personal Responsibility

She is currently on a major "Brainwash America" campaign. Don't ever believe her when she tries to appeal to the right. She is a leftist socialist thru & thru. Should this great nation make her president in '08, we will forever rue the day.


7 posted on 11/14/2005 12:45:56 PM PST by KenmcG414
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To: Personal Responsibility

The question is a joke, isn't it? How absurd to even think... the woman's husband appointed to worst Supreme Court "judge" ever--one very telling example in my view. Hillary will do worse, far worse, and we must beat her.


8 posted on 11/14/2005 12:47:28 PM PST by BamaAndy (Heart & Iron--the story of America through an ordinary family. ISBN: 1-4137-5397-3)
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To: Rocky
Gee, checking her record instead of listening to her baloney? What a concept.

I do not think we should get used to it.

9 posted on 11/14/2005 12:47:55 PM PST by Personal Responsibility (Liberal policies. The better they sound, the worse they are.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

95%, eh? Wonder how Barbara Box-car, Teddy "the Drowner" and Chuckie Schumer scored?


10 posted on 11/14/2005 12:48:03 PM PST by ssaftler
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To: ncountylee

Hillary has had a 0 ACU rating the last few years.

Hillary is allowed to vote like a liberal and score points with her base then she is allowed to talk tough and score points with the rest of the country.

All part of Hillary's triangulation game.

I have even seen here freepers gushing over Hillary on illegal immigration. But if you checked her voting record she sucks on immigration. She votes with Ted Kennedy on illegals all the time.

Can we stop listening to Hillary and see how she votes.


11 posted on 11/14/2005 12:48:07 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: Personal Responsibility
Yes. Hitlery is a centrist!

She doesn't stand for anything but Hitlery and has been feeding at government troughs for most of her inane lifetime.

The hog feeding next to her is Billary.

12 posted on 11/14/2005 12:49:40 PM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Gov. Warner and Gov. Richardson could be a potent Dem team for 2008. My bet, however, is that the way left Dems seat Hillary as the Prez nominee, who will be easier to defeat than Warner/ Richardson. With luck , the Dems will feed on each other like the political scavengers they are.


13 posted on 11/14/2005 12:50:02 PM PST by JeeperFreeper
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To: johnmecainrino

What is worse is that people are buying it.


14 posted on 11/14/2005 12:50:59 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants; All
Especially people here...
15 posted on 11/14/2005 12:52:39 PM PST by KevinDavis (http://www.cafepress.com/spacefuture)
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To: Personal Responsibility

that's the equivalent of saying is ruth buzzie ginsberg going to overturn roe vs wade.


16 posted on 11/14/2005 12:57:30 PM PST by JohnLongIsland
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To: Personal Responsibility
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17 posted on 11/14/2005 12:59:15 PM PST by blues_guitarist (http://mundane-noodle.blogspot.com)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Obviously she makes centrist noises occasionally but votes hard-left. She's a sneaky bit@h.


18 posted on 11/14/2005 1:01:00 PM PST by bkepley
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To: Personal Responsibility
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19 posted on 11/14/2005 1:04:12 PM PST by Old Seadog (Inside every old person is a young person saying "WTF happened?".)
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To: Personal Responsibility; All

Check her record early and often:

http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

Here are her "Interest Group" ratings:

http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=WNY99268

She scores a solid 100% with the pro-abortionists, and ZERO with the pro-life crowd. That's telling enough for me.


20 posted on 11/14/2005 1:04:30 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: ssaftler
95%, eh? Wonder how Barbara Box-car, Teddy "the Drowner" and Chuckie Schumer scored?

For 2004:

Boxer - 95%
Kennedy - 100%
Schumer - 100%

Tied with Boxer. I'd say that's pretty far-left.

21 posted on 11/14/2005 1:04:46 PM PST by T. Buzzard Trueblood (left unchecked, Saddam Hussein...will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." Sen. Hillary Clinton)
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To: Personal Responsibility
While her husband generally grasps the benefits of free trade - noting in his speech "trade lifts people out of poverty" - Sen. Clinton opposed the Central American-Dominican Republic Free Trade Agreement this past June. Ten Senate Democrats voted for it. Another blow against Hillary's moderation.

Lots of Freepers opposed it as well. I'd even go so far to say half or more Freepers oppose it.

22 posted on 11/14/2005 1:06:38 PM PST by gg188
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To: Personal Responsibility

She could be to the right of Barry Goldwater and I would never vote for her.


23 posted on 11/14/2005 1:08:28 PM PST by AmusedBystander
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To: johnmecainrino

If she comes out pro-choice, anti-illegal-immigration, and anti iraq war, she might be a shoo in.

Unless the pubbies have a powerhouse to offer like Guliani.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, just my prediction after watching the mood of the country.


24 posted on 11/14/2005 1:09:22 PM PST by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Off topic but important:

Senator Rockefeller (D), Senate Intelligence Committee, admits on FNC yesterday that he went alone to Syria, Saudi Arabia and Jordan to tell them that, although a decision had not been announced, he was certain the US was going to invade Iraq.

If this isn't treason, nothing is.

A sitting intelligence committee member travels to countries not terribly favorable to us (with the exception of Jordan) to let them know the military is coming to their region.

Contact the White House and your senator and demand an investigation.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1521893/posts


25 posted on 11/14/2005 1:13:50 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: djf

What do you mean, "if she come out pro-choice?" She always has been. What benefit is that going have in the general election?


26 posted on 11/14/2005 1:14:19 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: djf

Hillary can't come out anti illegal immigration because she has a voting record of sucking up to illegals.

Why is Hillary not held to account for her voting record. Why is she allowed to vote for illegals and then talk differently to appease others.

Saying Hillary can run being anti illegal would be like Bill Clinton running saying he never had an affair.

Hillary should be judged on her voting record.


27 posted on 11/14/2005 1:17:20 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: djf

Hillary is an absolute fraud she has a voting record that she will never be able to hide from. You can compare her voting record with her words and show how she has no leadership capacity.


28 posted on 11/14/2005 1:19:28 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: johnmecainrino

Dear Hillary,

Something about that "take all of your money for the common good" thing will kill you on 08. I don't think anyone took your Marxist remark out of context.

Regards

The Republican Party


29 posted on 11/14/2005 1:20:52 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Liberal Talking Point - Bush = Hitler ... Republican Talking Point - Let the Liberals Talk)
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To: djf
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, and I'm sure I'll say it many more times before the 2008 primaries.

Hillary will win the north east and the west coast with no problem. All she has to do is appear centrist with some of the Great Lake states and a few in the midwest for them to flip from red to blue.

Clinton knows how to raise money.

Clinton has the MSM on her/their side.

People are running FROM Republican/Conservatism right now.

All this can change in three years, of course. But if I was a betting man, I certainly wouldn't be betting against Hillary at this moment.

If you want to take the legs out of Hillary's advantages (or at least out of her perceived advantages as of today) you run somebody who can make a run at the north eastern states, while holding onto the south.

Does such a candidate exisist?
30 posted on 11/14/2005 1:21:01 PM PST by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: birbear

Make a run at the northeastern states?

They are rinos up there. The northeaster states are lost to us for good.

We need a conservative that can appeal to the south and midwest. States like Wisconsin, Iowa, and Ohio are the keys. That is the needle you have to thread and also appeal to the growing southwestern states that are coming more into play because of california transplants and illegals.


31 posted on 11/14/2005 1:24:11 PM PST by johnmecainrino
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To: johnmecainrino
Voting record ,scmoting record.

The LSM will be gushing over her so hard that people will forget that she's even in the senate,or a former first lady/co-president.

32 posted on 11/14/2005 1:26:03 PM PST by pandemoniumreigns
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Civil Liberties Union 78 percent in 2003-2004. 2001-2002 On the votes that the American Civil Liberties Union considered to be the most important in 2001-2002 , Senator Clinton voted their preferred position 60 percent of the time. 2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Family Research Council 0 percent in 2004. 2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the Christian Coalition 0 percent in 2004. 2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the American Conservative Union 0 percent in 2004. 2003-2004 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 85 percent in 2003-2004. 2003 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 82 percent in 2003. 2002 Senator Clinton supported the interests of the National Education Association 100 percent in 2002. Thanks for the links Diane. The record says it all. Stop the spin.
33 posted on 11/14/2005 1:26:21 PM PST by Dr. Ed Bravo (The Doctor is back!)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Of course Hillary is a centrist! In the old Soviet Politburo, that is!


34 posted on 11/14/2005 1:30:10 PM PST by KamperKen
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To: Old Seadog

ROTFLMAO!


35 posted on 11/14/2005 1:33:42 PM PST by Froufrou
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To: Personal Responsibility

...."Is Hilliary and idiot?"....

YES, YES, NOT ONLY YES BUT HELL YES!!!!!


36 posted on 11/14/2005 1:35:02 PM PST by HarleyLady27 (My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
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To: Personal Responsibility

No, she is a satanist..


37 posted on 11/14/2005 1:42:13 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: nickcarraway

I know she always has been. But the dems platform will be based, at least in part, by who is the nominee.

And if she gets it, you can bet everything that she will play that "I'm not one of those MEN who want to take away your right to chose" card.

And it will be very effective.


38 posted on 11/14/2005 1:44:57 PM PST by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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To: gg188

I oppose all "free trade" agreements on the grounds that in reality they turn out, without exception, to be sucker deals in which we are the sucker.


39 posted on 11/14/2005 2:05:33 PM PST by thoughtomator (Bring Back HCUA!)
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To: Personal Responsibility

The question is frikkin ABSURD!

The Hitlery is a foaming at the mouth Marxist ideologue who hates the United States of America.

She is the "Devil" incarnate, (you'd have figured he'd do better on the physical structure, but oh well), she is the blood enemy of America and our way of life.

No hyperbole here, she is evil.

The question is frikkin ABSURD!

Spin RATs!

SPIN!


40 posted on 11/14/2005 2:12:12 PM PST by porkchops 4 mahound ("Si vis pacem, para bellum", If you wish peace, prepare for war.)
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To: Personal Responsibility

Hillary is left of Lenin! All lies to get her elected by a stupid public.


41 posted on 11/14/2005 2:14:04 PM PST by ladyinred ("Progressive" = code word for Communist/Nazi)
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To: KenmcG414

I already rue the 8 years that she was elected the first time.


42 posted on 11/14/2005 2:20:30 PM PST by Americanwolf (Support the Minutemen Civil Defense Corp...Doing the Job our government won't !)
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To: djf

I'm not sure she's going to make that an issue. Do you think it would be advantageous for the GOP to run a pro-choice candidate?


44 posted on 11/14/2005 3:26:53 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
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To: Personal Responsibility

It'll never work. And it's the only thing they have to run on.


45 posted on 11/14/2005 3:54:59 PM PST by StAnDeliver
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To: Personal Responsibility

[M]y bewilderment over the New Democrat label is not just an academic inquiry. Ironically, I sought clarification at an academic conference at Hofstra University late last week. After all, it was titled "William Jefferson Clinton: The 'New Democrat' from Hope."

Various speakers tackled what a New Democrat was. Perhaps the most exhaustive account was presented by Al From, founder of the Democratic Leadership Council and referred to as the intellectual godfather of the New Democrats. He emphasized opportunity, responsibility and community, and served up phrases like "modernization of liberalism," "forging a third way," and my personal favorite, "empowering government over bureaucracy" - whatever that means. Paul Begala, a political consultant for the 1992 campaign, added that Clinton offered "modified populism."

All of this hardly clarified things. The former president only muddied the waters further with a mind-numbing speech Thursday that defended his administration. It was a laundry list that included lots of ways he spent taxpayers' money.

In the context of the conference speeches and Clinton's record, including his big tax hike, harsh class warfare attacks and failed attempt at socialized medicine, the New Democrat label [didn't seem]... substantive....

In the end, much of the New Democrat philosophy was the old Democrat philosophy spruced up with the rhetoric of moderation. Is that also the case with Sen. Clinton's so-called move to the center?

Well, it certainly is hard to detect any centrism in her overall Senate voting record. Each year, for example, she has scored 95 percent with the left-wing Americans for Democratic Action....

One key vote and some occasional centrist talk do not make a moderate. Just as Bill Clinton the New Democrat was more about political posturing than policy reality, Hillary Clinton's move to the center lacks credibility. It is simply Clintonian.

Is Hillary a centrist? Let's look at her votes
Raymond J. Keating
November 14, 2005
Newsday.com

IT TAKES A CLINTON TO RAZE A COUNTRY
THE INCOMPETENCE OF HILLARY CLINTONbump

 

I M P E A C H M E N T
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by Mia T, 11.11.05

This legacy confab is in and of itself proof certain of clinton's deeply flawed character, and a demonstration in real time of the way in which the clinton years were about a legacy that was incidentally a presidency.

Madeleine Albright captured the essence of this dysfunctional presidency best when she explained why clinton couldn't go after bin Laden.

According to Richard Miniter, the Albright revelation occurred at the cabinet meeting that would decide the disposition of the USS Cole bombing by al Qaeda [that is to say, that would decide to do what it had always done when a "bimbo" was not spilling the beans on the clintons: Nothing]. Only Clarke wanted to retaliate militarily for this unambiguous act of war.

Albright explained that a [sham] Mideast accord would yield [if not peace for the principals, surely] a Nobel Peace Prize for clinton. Kill or capture bin Laden and clinton could kiss the accord and the Peace Prize good-bye.

If clinton liberalism, smallness, cowardice, corruption, perfidy--and, to borrow a phrase from Andrew Cuomo, clinton cluelessness--played a part, it was, in the end, the Nobel Peace Prize that produced the puerile pertinacity that enabled the clintons to shrug off terrorism's global danger.

COMPLETE ARTICLE

MAD hillary series #5
SCHEMA PINOCCHIO


how the clintons are handling the hillary dud factor
They turned our bridge to the 21st century into a tunnel back into the 19th century. Back us out of that Republican tunnel, fill it in, go back across the bridge.... We'll have a giant celebration when we come back to Columbus in 2020. There's nothing more wonderful than making dreams come true.

hear hillary clinton
address to the
Democratic Leadership Council
Columbus, Ohio
7.31.05

Missus clinton is a dud.

I could say she has all of bill clinton's baggage and none of his charm, except I don't find bill clinton charming. What she lacks, in my view, is lubricant. Snake oil. She grates.

It's more than simple dislike. You don't want to see her; and you definitely don't want to hear her.

Missus clinton is everyman's worst nightmare: ex-wife, fishwife, frigid wife, mother-in-law; worse, the abusive Nazi commandant in the Lina Wertmuller masterpiece. When she humiliates, which is always, she dons the military-issue undershirt, she grabs the whip.

The clintons are clearly aware of this problem and are attempting to mitigate it with veneer.

Their first ploy is to pushpoll to artificially jack up missus clinton's numbers; this is a relatively easy task, given a compliant press. This illusion of electability is intended to fool the voters, activate the herd mentality and ultimately fool the smart money of the David Geffen-Harold Ickes stripe.

It won't work. Missus clinton has 100% name recognition. Any vote she doesn't already have, she won't get. Conversely, many voters have 0% information on the clinton abuses of power and utter failures. From this it follows that many votes she has today, she won't have tomorrow.

Their second ploy is to conflate "bill" and "hillary." "The clintons" become a single construct. Missus clinton arrogates bill's "bridge to the 21st century " as "theirs." And, by lifting the lyrics straight from Pinocchio, she becomes "the man from 'hope'."

The danger here for missus clinton is that with the bridge and the hope come the abuses and the utter failures.


AFTERWORD:

Who in heaven's name is writing missus clinton's speeches? They make her sound like a cross between Pinocchio on Halcyon and a clueless tourist from Park Ridge, Illinois driving into Manhattan during rush hour. Oops.

And the plagiarizing... I mean, the clintons are shameless. And it isn't only Pinocchio.

In 2002, I wrote that the bridge to the 21st century was, arguably, clinton's most delusional conceit, that it overshot the mark by at least 1400 years.

To be fair, missus clinton's 19th-century reference is to that <yawn> retrograde 'retrograde Republicans' cliché, whereas my 7th-century reference is to the retrograde-in-fact islamofascist terrorists, whose jihadi declarations and acts of war against us the clintons willfully ignored for eight long years--allowing al Qaeda to grow exponentially in strength and reach, setting us up--very nicely, thank you--for 9/11 and its cataclysmic aftermath.



46 posted on 11/14/2005 4:00:29 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Thank you and bookmarked


47 posted on 11/14/2005 5:08:30 PM PST by Kimmers
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To: johnmecainrino

"Hillary is very scary because the MSM is telling the public..."

Why do Left wing liberals have the corner on the news media? Do they have a Mafia for protection so that no one can compete with them?


48 posted on 11/14/2005 5:13:38 PM PST by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: Kimmers

You're welcome. Use the information for Good and not Evil. ;) It's a very handy resource for shooting down liberals. They can lie all day long in the media, but the votes they cast in the House and Senate ARE recorded.

Of course, they're banking on the fact that your average Joe Sixpack doesn't realize that...


49 posted on 11/14/2005 5:15:26 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
It is interesting you mention evil. We are studying this in church now and I just finished THE SREWTAPE LETTERS..... In my discussions I like to use facts and logic and this will be a great resource.....I can always present this information and still people will believe what they want in spite of information given....
50 posted on 11/14/2005 5:41:22 PM PST by Kimmers
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