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A little help needed here for a school project

Posted on 11/14/2005 4:38:45 PM PST by roostercogburn

My 14 year old son has been given a project to design a memorial to the fallen soldiers of the Iraq war. It must be designed as though it will be built on the Mall in Washington D.C. which means it must follow the same design restrictions that applied to the Vietnam Memorial. It must Honor the memory of those who served and those who gave their lives. Be harmonious with the Mall and its surroundings. Somehow fit into the "historic continuity" of American art. Be durable, buildable and not hard to maintain. Please , any ideas would be appreciated.


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The teacher also allows for any students who wish to make a "peace monument". Disgusting. I wrote a nice letter to the school that I will not allow my 14 year old son to participate in any way a political discussion where this teacher is the final arbiter. Which is where , in my opinion, this project is certainly going to lead. Especially by allowing peace monuments to be built and displayed next to true monuments.
1 posted on 11/14/2005 4:38:46 PM PST by roostercogburn
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To: roostercogburn

Your son should thoroughly research the reasons leading up to the war and the justification for the war so that he can defend any decisions he makes. When he understands WHY we needed to go to war with Hussein, he will be able to design a thoughtful and meaningful ( at least to him ) monument


2 posted on 11/14/2005 4:41:03 PM PST by SoftballMominVA
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To: roostercogburn

IMO these teachers are instigators. They come back to the schools from the universities carrying a bunch of baggage, then try to get the kids to carry it for them.


3 posted on 11/14/2005 4:41:06 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: roostercogburn

It should also show that they are freeing millions of people. Good luck.


4 posted on 11/14/2005 4:41:27 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: roostercogburn

A soldier with his rifle on guard, while another behind him holds a small Iraqi girl(or hands something to a child).

Bronze.


5 posted on 11/14/2005 4:42:28 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: roostercogburn

The best way to achieve peace is by vanquishing your enemy on the battle field.


6 posted on 11/14/2005 4:42:48 PM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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To: roostercogburn

How about the feet of the Saddam statue that were left standing when they pulled the rest of the thing down?


7 posted on 11/14/2005 4:42:53 PM PST by Hessian (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: bnelson44

I refer you to my idea. ;)


8 posted on 11/14/2005 4:42:54 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: roostercogburn
The teacher also allows for any students who wish to make a "peace monument".

Typical liberal. Cant put aside politics about the war to honor those who are brave enough to defend our freedom. While im sure those who have fought wouldn't think this, i dont think she deserves to be called an American along with our brave soldiers.

9 posted on 11/14/2005 4:43:27 PM PST by curtisgardner
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To: roostercogburn

I'd suggest avoiding crescents as part of the design...


10 posted on 11/14/2005 4:43:42 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Alexander Rubin

That would be very nice.


11 posted on 11/14/2005 4:43:44 PM PST by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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To: roostercogburn

Suggestion: Let your son do his own assignment.


12 posted on 11/14/2005 4:43:47 PM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: roostercogburn

Wanna really make trouble? Have two soldiers, one black and one white, comforting an Iraqi boy and girl. Behind the soldiers, an angel. the inscription on the base of the monument reads, "Free at Last".


13 posted on 11/14/2005 4:43:56 PM PST by SlowBoat407 (The best stuff happens just before the thread snaps.)
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To: roostercogburn

The Russians build awesome war memorials. Probably too awesome for public school.


14 posted on 11/14/2005 4:44:25 PM PST by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: bnelson44

Maybe handing a book to a child.


15 posted on 11/14/2005 4:45:16 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: DoughtyOne

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself".-- John Stuart Mill
That should be the words below the monument. My favorite quote. But I want my son to come to that conclusion on his own. By being an educated student who knows that life is not in the gray areas. It is black and white. Right or wrong.


16 posted on 11/14/2005 4:45:24 PM PST by roostercogburn
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To: roostercogburn

A "Wall of Pictures" Pictures of the soldiers playing soccer with the Iraqi kids etc...The Purple finger...


17 posted on 11/14/2005 4:45:41 PM PST by HHKrepublican_2 (OP Spread the Truth http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1521271/posts?page=20)
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To: Coop

ROTFL. I like you.


18 posted on 11/14/2005 4:45:46 PM PST by ShadowDancer (I think I may have the Asian Bird Fru. I mean Flu. (Damn, it's starting already))
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To: Alexander Rubin

"A soldier with his rifle on guard, "

Nope. The kid would be expelled for a facimile of a gun.


19 posted on 11/14/2005 4:46:09 PM PST by Rebelbase (Food stamps, section-8, State paid Child support, etc. pay more than the min. wage.)
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To: roostercogburn

Alternatively, a soldier with his rifle slung on his back walking, hand in hand, with a small child. Should be designed on an east/west basis, so that depending on the time of day, the sun is either directly behind or in front of the statue.


20 posted on 11/14/2005 4:46:38 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: roostercogburn

This is the letter I wrote to his teacher.......
Mr. Graham
I am Stephan Caricchio's father. I would like to know what designing a monument has to do with Language Arts? It seems a bit outside of the realm of reading. This is not graphic design or art class.
I hope that there are no political motivations here. To allow an option to students to basically make protest art is poor judgement in my opinion. These kids are not mature enough to weigh out all of the reasons and whys sacrifices are made. All they have are images of the dead. No logical discussion of terrorism. Why we want to fight terrorists over there instead of here, that there are groups of radical muslim fanatics that have no other goal than to kill Americans. At 14 kids are either to sensitive and think killing is never right, or overzealous and think killing is never wrong. There isn't that area of thought in between that allows them to weigh issues and options. I truly believe that this is not appropriate for my son to be involved in. If it were just monuments to the sacrifice of our soldiers, fine. But I will not allow my child's immature thought process be weighted in a way that I do not choose. And I do not choose to have him be influenced by your possible underlying political motivations.
This will turn into a discussion of politics in a classroom where you are the final arbiter. Where your views can be accepted as fact and the truth can be tilted to meet your opinions.
Please do not take this in a bad way. Nothing personal, just the way I feel. I look forward to a response from you. Please contact me at your convenience.


21 posted on 11/14/2005 4:46:50 PM PST by roostercogburn
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To: roostercogburn

How about a statue of our troops passing the Iraqi flag back to an Iraqi with a purple finger?


22 posted on 11/14/2005 4:47:06 PM PST by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "ACLU Christmas")
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To: roostercogburn

Show the soldiers and the kids, the purple V's, the women and girls in schools.

Then show the soldiers day in and day out, especially the one with the "thousand yard stare" that wowed women everywhere.

Then show the solemn graves and the tears of the comerades for the fallen. And the President when he comforted the war widow.

Make sure you get all 4 branches of the Military.

Under the whole thing, post:

"We will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail."
-President George W. Bush, October 7, 2001


23 posted on 11/14/2005 4:47:17 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Let's tear down the observatory so we never get hit by a meteor again!)
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To: roostercogburn
Let him build a little statue of Saddam less the head with the head laying on the ground while a young Iraqi kicks it in the face and beats it with his shoe. That should sum up what is required. And have him write a title: The price of freedom bears a high cost.

That should piss his teacher off completely and send them into a real rage.

24 posted on 11/14/2005 4:47:43 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: Rebelbase

Give him a flag instead then. Times are bad, but they still can't openly hate the flag.

Wait...


Wait....


Dammit.


25 posted on 11/14/2005 4:47:53 PM PST by Alexander Rubin (Octavius - You make my heart glad building thus, as if Rome is to be eternal.)
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To: roostercogburn
There was a magaizine cover featuring one of my high-school buddies - a medic - holding an Iraqi child he saved.

Just make a bronze statue of that.

26 posted on 11/14/2005 4:48:00 PM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: roostercogburn
Simple: Solid bronze, boots, rifle, helmet, about 20' tall on a black marble 20' circular base. 50 bronze stars on the circumference. No inscription, no commentary. Just a place of remembrance.
27 posted on 11/14/2005 4:48:34 PM PST by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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To: roostercogburn

How about a picture of a 7 foot American GI stomping on cowering likenesses of Hitler, Stalin, and some bald little fat guy with an NEA pin.


28 posted on 11/14/2005 4:48:57 PM PST by evolved_rage
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To: evolved_rage

That one is great!


29 posted on 11/14/2005 4:49:26 PM PST by roostercogburn
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To: roostercogburn

30 posted on 11/14/2005 4:51:53 PM PST by xcamel (No more RINOS - Not Now, Not Ever Again.)
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To: xcamel

How do they get the gun to stay like that?


31 posted on 11/14/2005 4:54:08 PM PST by Chickensoup (Turk...turk...turk....turk....turk...turkey!!!!!!)
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To: roostercogburn
I would suggest a dome-shaped memorial where the same personal information from the Vietnam memorial is engraved in patterns of concentric circles from the top down. Along the bottom of the dome, engraved images, dates, and places of massacres, torture chambers, gassings, war crimes, and other such atrocities commited under Saddam. Perhaps somewhere between the two sets of information, you could have something engraved which says something along the lines of "They gave their lives defending those who could not defend themselves".

It's simple, interesting, respectful, and sure to send his teacher up the wall. :-)
32 posted on 11/14/2005 4:57:13 PM PST by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: roostercogburn
Here's my 2cents:

A hand prying/lifting up another hand while freed peoples walk out from under the first hand. The theme being, the Hand of Democracy frees all from the hand of oppression. Peace doesn't free people, War does.

33 posted on 11/14/2005 4:59:13 PM PST by rvoitier ("Hug your babies tight"--Luanne Platter)
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To: roostercogburn
A big statue, something along these lines (the image in the middle) but with armor in red-white-blue. I've always liked this poster:


34 posted on 11/14/2005 5:00:27 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: roostercogburn

a wall of urinals with pictures of ted, nancy, harry, john, et al, placed in said urinals. it'll be an interactive display.


35 posted on 11/14/2005 5:01:06 PM PST by pipecorp (Let's have a CRUSADE! , the muslims have already started. 1800 replies and not a single post!)
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To: roostercogburn

Hey, the positive side is that the title of the assignment ISN'T:

"Show Why These Soldiers are Baby Killers sent by the Monster Hitler Bush so he could get more Oil for his Halliburton Firends".

That's progress if this is a public school.


36 posted on 11/14/2005 5:02:34 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: roostercogburn

I wouldn't seek to compose it for you, since that's your child's job. But here are some elements I would include:
1. A dozen Iraqi children reaching out to a smiling US soldier; 2. Several adults holding up purple fingers with a ballot box nearby; 3. A copy of the Iraqi constitution; 4. A mosque, to remind people we stand for freedom of religion (unlike our enemies); 5. Date palms which stand for life; 6. The confluence of the Tigris and Euphrates rivers; and 6. Somewhere noticeable but more subtle, the face of President George W. Bush. All in bronze of course.


37 posted on 11/14/2005 5:02:51 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: Coop

C'mon Coop. He is 14. I am all about him doing things on his own, but this assignment is a tough one. He needed help. And I am as close to an artist as I am to Pluto.


38 posted on 11/14/2005 5:03:23 PM PST by roostercogburn
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To: Right Wing Assault

Ug. Firends -> Friends


39 posted on 11/14/2005 5:03:52 PM PST by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: roostercogburn
here you go:



Have him do a brozed statue of this woman. Chances are the idiot Lib teacher will take it as a Peace monument :)
40 posted on 11/14/2005 5:05:23 PM PST by MikefromOhio (We don't give a damn for the WHOLE state of Michigan.....)
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To: roostercogburn

How about something that depicts the Iraqi's toppling the statue of Saddam?


41 posted on 11/14/2005 5:05:36 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: roostercogburn

How about a large bronze dog standing next to a large bronze pig, both of them peeing on the ka'aba


42 posted on 11/14/2005 5:05:58 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: Hessian

I was going to say the Saddam statue too with a tank hooked to it pulling it down.


43 posted on 11/14/2005 5:06:21 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: roostercogburn

Aren't all his classmates about the same age? Is getting adult help for the child fair to all the kids who just do their own work? What are you teaching your child about individual responsibility? In the long run, you are also being unfair to your kid. You won't be able to help him when he takes the SATs, when he goes to college, when he takes his final exams.


44 posted on 11/14/2005 5:09:36 PM PST by maro
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To: maro

Uh, all of these kids will be getting help from parents. That is part of being a parent. I do not mind helping. We are discussing all of the ideas right now for the monument. We are also discussing the reasons for war as well. Why sacrifice is sometimes required. But I have my childs best interest at heart, and I will help him any way I see fit. And he will learn to think on his own in the process. Nd he is laughing heartily and some of the funnier ideas you guys here have posted. The kid beating saddams head with a shoe is his favorite.


45 posted on 11/14/2005 5:19:35 PM PST by roostercogburn
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To: roostercogburn
Your 14 year old son shouldn't need his parents for help on a project that he ought to see through on his own.

But here's my two cents anyway for an "A".... A soldier sculpture of an unarmed and smartly dressed slender man with a pink triangle patch on his sleeve (signifying the sexual orientation of his unit), and a robin-egg blue helmet. This handsome and well tailored hunk of a soldier should be offering a bag of rice and a pack of rubbers to a snarling, ungrateful turbin-headed man with an AK-47 slung over his shoulder.
46 posted on 11/14/2005 5:27:01 PM PST by Wagonboy
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To: MikeinIraq

Have the woman with the purple fingers, forming a peace sign, sticking them into Saddam's eye sockets.


47 posted on 11/14/2005 5:28:55 PM PST by DrewsDad
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To: DrewsDad

heh that would be cool too :)


48 posted on 11/14/2005 5:29:16 PM PST by MikefromOhio (We don't give a damn for the WHOLE state of Michigan.....)
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To: freedumb2003
Make sure you get all 4 branches of the Military.<<<

Yup...(AFTER THE FACT, WHEN THERE IS A TOTAL!)..I can see 4 black granite soldiers with white marble wings, each supported by a pyramid of sculptured dog tags in cronigraphical order, hovering over....WAITE A MINUTE!~...This ain't no English assignment...its indoctrination class 101!....Id have the kid cast his Dads letter in stone holding up a pot of tepid water with a frog in it...Let the teacher figure out if its a memorial or a peace statue....
49 posted on 11/14/2005 5:35:48 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: roostercogburn
I would like to know what designing a monument has to do with Language Arts? It seems a bit outside of the realm of reading. This is not graphic design or art class.

I was going to ask what class produced this assignment. Perhaps the best "Memorial" in the circumstances would be an elegantly-reasoned term paper on the causes and effects of our intervention in Iraq.

50 posted on 11/14/2005 5:56:52 PM PST by Tax-chick ("Everything is either willed or permitted by God, and nothing can hurt me." Bl. Charles de Foucauld)
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