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Germans Say U.S. Used Bad Data to Justify Iraq Invasion...
Drudge ^ | 11/19/05 | Drudge

Posted on 11/19/2005 3:05:26 PM PST by bnelson44

Germans Say U.S. Used Bad Data to Justify Iraq Invasion Sat Nov 19 2005 17:58:49 ET

The German intelligence officials responsible for one of the most important informants on Saddam Hussein's suspected weapons of mass destruction say that the Bush Administration and the CIA repeatedly exaggerated his claims during the run-up to the Iraq war.

The LOS ANGELES TIMES is planning to front the allegation is Sunday editions, newsroom sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.

Five senior officials from Germany's Federal Intelligence Service, or BND, said in interviews with the LOS ANGELES TIMES that they warned U.S. intelligence authorities that the source, an Iraqi defector codenamed Curveball, never claimed to produce germ weapons and never saw anyone else do so.

According to the Germans, President Bush mischaracterized Curveball's information when he warned before the war that Iraq had at least seven mobile factories brewing biological poisons. Then-Secretary of State Colin L. Powell also misstated Curveball's claims in his pre-war presentation to the United Nations on Feb. 5, 2003, the Germans said.

Curveball's German handlers for the last six years said his information was often vague, mostly second-hand and impossible to confirm.

``This was not substantial evidence,'' said a senior German intelligence official. ``We made clear we could not verify the things he said.''

The German authorities, speaking about the case for the first time, also said that their informant suffered from emotional and mental problems. ``He is not a stable, psychologically stable guy,'' said a BND official who supervised the case. ``He is not a completely normal person,'' agreed a BND analyst.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: curveball; iraq
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To: bnelson44

Germans Say U.S. Used Bad Data to Justify Iraq Invasion...



U.S. says Germans have a keen grasp of the obvious.


51 posted on 11/19/2005 5:53:10 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: bnelson44

Germany isnt important enough to have an opinion.


52 posted on 11/19/2005 5:54:24 PM PST by rrrod
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To: Lancer_N3502A
What makes them think we used just one source of information?

They are taking a SWAG. On the cusp of possible renormalization of diplomatic niceties. Economic harm must be minimal, on a forward basis. To disclose all of our sources to hostile EU countries would be harmful. France and Germany ARE hostile. Perhaps not declared enemies, yet certainly hostile towards American interest. Our congress is an abject failure for not recognizing and acting on the EU hostility.

53 posted on 11/19/2005 5:57:01 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (Proud to be named as a member of the Radical Right Wing. Vast Right Wing got old.)
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To: bnelson44
Has Kerry been talking to world leaders again ...the ones that wanted him to be president?
54 posted on 11/19/2005 6:01:08 PM PST by I'mPeach
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To: rrrod
Germany isnt important enough to have an opinion.

Perhaps this would explain why we Americans have projected such a huge military presence in Germany for the last 60+ years. Because it is so unimportant.

55 posted on 11/19/2005 6:10:35 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever (Proud to be named as a member of the Radical Right Wing. Vast Right Wing got old.)
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To: bnelson44

That's right. There was a mix up. The CIA got world temperature data and the president's climate advisors got the Iraqi weapons dump inventories.


56 posted on 11/19/2005 6:15:01 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: Shermy

What else is the press good for? You don't think just anybody could go to where a newsworthy event is occuring and start taking pictures and asking people questions, could you?


57 posted on 11/19/2005 6:16:58 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: bnelson44
Pre-War "containment" of Saddam failed more each day.

1. The oil-for-food program was corrupt
2. The weapons inspections were a farce
3. US and allied planes were targeted
4. Uninspected flights to Baghdad gutted the sanctions
5. Terrorists were training in Iraq
6. Saddam supported terrorism ($25,000 to each family of a suicide bomber).
7. Saddam brutalized our fellow human beings

Saddam was thumbing his nose at decent people as he rewarded his collaborators.

58 posted on 11/19/2005 6:28:32 PM PST by syriacus (I'll take our success at liberating Iraq, over the "world community's" success at containing Saddam.)
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To: bnelson44

Wow, the L.A. Times is only a year late with the curveball story. Keep up the good work Tribune Company....you'll be laying another few hundred off in no time.


59 posted on 11/19/2005 6:31:03 PM PST by frankjr
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To: bnelson44

I thought your title was going to be 'Germans says US used bad data to justify Normandy invasion'.


60 posted on 11/19/2005 7:01:31 PM PST by rawhide
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To: bnelson44

Not much fun in Stalingrad....?


61 posted on 11/19/2005 7:03:10 PM PST by Petronski (Cyborg is the greatest blessing I have ever known.)
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To: bnelson44
The Germans released this to pile on the Murtha flap. It is an official attack, meant to undermine Bush. No country's intel services makes public statements like this without permission from the top.

It'll be used to support Murtha's talking points on the Sunday talk shows. And it will be droned the rest of the week from the usual MSM suspects.
62 posted on 11/19/2005 7:22:53 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: George W. Bush

This sounds like the exact same story that the Guardian ran with on April 2, 2004 http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1184172,00.html


63 posted on 11/19/2005 7:57:23 PM PST by ReaganCountry
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To: mass55th
This from the country that brought us that stable and normal guy named Hitler.

That was Austria.
64 posted on 11/19/2005 8:16:20 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: Fintan
Gee, what data did they use to invade Poland in 1939?

A fabricated attack on a radio station at some little border town called Gleiwitz or something like that.

Not sure if this is a good comparison...
65 posted on 11/19/2005 8:17:42 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: ReaganCountry

Great catch. So they're recycling it to help the antiwar element in this country.


66 posted on 11/19/2005 8:19:36 PM PST by George W. Bush
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To: bnelson44

The German authorities, speaking about the case for the first time, also said that their informant suffered from emotional and mental problems. ``He is not a stable, psychologically stable guy,'' said a BND official who supervised the case. ``He is not a completely normal person,'' agreed a BND analyst.

Sounds kinda' like CIA darling, Joe Wilson.

67 posted on 11/19/2005 8:42:31 PM PST by elli1
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To: digger48
Yes, several times. Most recently with Tim Russert last Sunday. He used Colin Powell's characterization of "curveballs" intelligence as if it were Powell trying to distort intelligence data.

Powell on several occasions has said that curveballs intelligence was flawed. However, it will not stop the media from trying to find a new angle to discredit the
Administration.

We are now fighting a two-front war. One with terrorists the other with domestic traitors.
68 posted on 11/19/2005 8:57:08 PM PST by daviscupper
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To: bnelson44
How come the Germans sat on the same UN Security Council and said nothing about this?

That proves this is nothing but total BS.

Fact is there was other evidence such as this secret tape we made of a conversation in Iraq (are these Germans going to call them crazy too?)...

Here's how Powell introduced his case on Feb. 5, 2003:

POWELL: Let me begin by playing a tape for you. What you're about to hear is a conversation that my government monitored. It takes place on November 26 [2002], on the day before United Nations teams resumed inspections in Iraq.

The conversation involves two senior officers, a colonel and a brigadier general, from Iraq's elite military unit, the Republican Guard.
TAPE TRANSCRIPT:

IRAQI COLONEL : About this committee that is coming with [U.N. nuclear weapons inspector] Mohamed ElBaradei.

IRAQI GENERAL : Yeah, yeah.

COL: We have this modified vehicle. What do we say if one of them sees it?

GEN: You didn't get a modified... You don't have a modified...
COL: By God, I have one.

GEN: Which? From the workshop...?

COL: From the al-Kindi Company

GEN: Yeah, yeah. I'll come to you in the morning. I have some comments. I'm worried you all have something left.

COL: We evacuated everything. We don't have anything left. [END OF POWELL TAPE EXCERPT]

What type of "modified vehicle" do Iraq war critics think Saddam's general was worried about? A souped-up 1967 Mustang?

And what, pray tell, do they think Saddam's colonel was referring to when he said, "We evacuated everything. We don't have anything left"?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/11/14/233507.shtml

Let's see these idiot Germans explain that one.
69 posted on 11/19/2005 11:17:27 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the treasonous Democrats!)
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To: bnelson44

Taking this with a grain of salt. They obviously thought that the House would go against the war and they are just jumping on the band wagon.


70 posted on 11/19/2005 11:20:04 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: bnelson44
Curveball's German handlers for the last six years said his information was often vague, mostly second-hand and impossible to confirm.

The German authorities, speaking about the case for the first time, also said that their informant suffered from emotional and mental problems. ``He is not a stable, psychologically stable guy,'' said a BND official who supervised the case. ``He is not a completely normal person,'' agreed a BND analyst.


The number 1 question becomes: How come the Germans spent so much time "handling" an insane person??? I would think they'd have handled him for about a 15 minute drive to the nut house.

Don't forget about what Rush has been talking about, that Bush needs to and is cleaning up the CIA and that is why they attacked him with this Wilson liar/fool. We got the same situation now in Germany where Schroeder was in bed with the Putin KGB man and now Merkel needs to clean up.

I look forward to seeing these Anti-American, German creeps go down the drain.
71 posted on 11/19/2005 11:38:22 PM PST by Berlin_Freeper (ETERNAL SHAME on the treasonous Democrats!)
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To: George W. Bush
"That was Austria."

LOL! Yeah, that's where the demon seed was issued alright.

72 posted on 11/20/2005 5:22:50 AM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: bnelson44

I wonder what the data was like they used to justify the invasion of France and Poland.


73 posted on 11/21/2005 6:35:43 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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