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Season Finale: Rome, Episode 12, Kalends of February 9PM EST---Legio XIII Forever!
HBO ^ | 20 NOV 2005 | dcbryan1

Posted on 11/20/2005 3:52:19 PM PST by DCBryan1

As a result of their arena exploits, Pullo and Vorenus have become heroes to the Roman rank and file, causing Caesar to reward those he normally would punish. Pullo's unexpected return to Vorenus' household is not appreciated by his former slave Eirene. Caesar decides to overhaul the Senate by adding some unexpected new faces, to the chagrin of the old guard. And Servilia hurdles the final obstacle in her ambitious revenge scenario, at Niobe's expense.


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To: jp3

RE: "Et Tu brute?"...thanks...didn't know that.


101 posted on 11/20/2005 6:54:23 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: Melas

You never know what the writers have cooked up. hehe


102 posted on 11/20/2005 6:55:11 PM PST by jmc1969
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To: DCBryan1

my pleasure...what an ending though! I didn't foresee Niobe killing herself though....


103 posted on 11/20/2005 6:55:43 PM PST by jp3 ("Who cares what entertainers think about international affairs." Johnny Carson, Dec. 1967)
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To: jmc1969
You never know what the writers have cooked up.

They shouldn't have killed Niobe...hope she appears with a bandage on her head in 2007.

104 posted on 11/20/2005 6:56:26 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: DCBryan1

LOL!


105 posted on 11/20/2005 6:57:25 PM PST by jp3 ("Who cares what entertainers think about international affairs." Johnny Carson, Dec. 1967)
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To: JeffAtlanta

Oh I can't wait either. The look on Octavian's face was pure hatred. Did you notice how Antony backed out of the forum, without turning his back? Wouldn't surprise me to see Vorenus team up with Antony (who Vorneus pledged his loyalty to) and Pullo with Octavian. Still shocked at the Niobe jump.


106 posted on 11/20/2005 6:57:42 PM PST by rintense
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To: DCBryan1

"It sure beat the season finale of battlestar galactica season 2."

I could be wrong but I think we've only seen half of season 2 of BSG.

BSG is scifi fantasy. Rome is drama. Kinda hard to compare the two.

I'm still majorly bummed that Moore killed off Crashdown. I'm hoping Crashdown is a cylon.


107 posted on 11/20/2005 6:57:52 PM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: jp3
yeah, i know....

I'm kinda upset that HBO didn't have a "to be continued", or something equivalent.

108 posted on 11/20/2005 6:58:00 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: DCBryan1

Anything is possible! Pullo had brain surgery and lived.


109 posted on 11/20/2005 6:58:13 PM PST by rintense
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To: DCBryan1
That was amazing.
110 posted on 11/20/2005 6:59:45 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: rintense
Anything is possible! Pullo had brain surgery and lived.


Yeah Rintense, but this waiting around is gonna kill me!

111 posted on 11/20/2005 7:00:17 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Et tu Brutus?


112 posted on 11/20/2005 7:00:25 PM PST by eddie willers
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To: DCBryan1
She was a whore. She had to go.
113 posted on 11/20/2005 7:00:33 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: jp3
"et tu Brute" comes from Shakespeare's creativity...somehow it evolved into fact.

While "et tu Brute" may have been coined by Shakespeare, it is very close to what is accepted as Julius Caesar's last words.

Suetonius, a Roman writer, recorded Caesar's last words as "Even you, my child" which is very close to "et tu Brute" - "And you Brutus".

114 posted on 11/20/2005 7:00:39 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Pukin Dog

The money had stopped coming... she didn't know he was still alive.


115 posted on 11/20/2005 7:01:51 PM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Pukin Dog
She was a whore. She had to go.

Heartily disagree....she truely thought her husband was dead and moved on....now had she known he was alive, I would agree with you.

116 posted on 11/20/2005 7:02:06 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: rintense
The look on Octavian's face was pure hatred.

Octavian and Antony have been my favorite characters. Octavian is wickedly clever and will know how to deal with her.

117 posted on 11/20/2005 7:02:58 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
While "et tu Brute" may have been coined by Shakespeare, it is very close to what is accepted as Julius Caesar's last words.

In addition, I thought he died at the foot of Pompey's statute...kind of an ironic twist of history.

118 posted on 11/20/2005 7:03:13 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: JeffAtlanta
Octavian is wickedly clever and will know how to deal with her.

LIke he dealt with his sister....he he...had to throw that one in.

119 posted on 11/20/2005 7:04:21 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: JeffAtlanta

" Octavian is wickedly clever and will know how to deal with her."

Octavian looks a little too much like Justin Timberlake to be a warrior though.


120 posted on 11/20/2005 7:05:08 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: DCBryan1
In addition, I thought he died at the foot of Pompey's statute...kind of an ironic twist of history.

Yeah he did. Julius Caesar was a very complicated person which is probably why he is such a fascinating historical character.

I'm curious if Julius Caesar really cared for Pompey and others that he had defeated or just felt that having old enemies around and subdued was beneficial to legitimizing his power.

121 posted on 11/20/2005 7:05:46 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: marajade
She should have told him the truth. Because she lied, she is a whore.
122 posted on 11/20/2005 7:06:36 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: DCBryan1

I thought Vorenus would deal with his wife the same way Pullo dealt with his slaves husband.


123 posted on 11/20/2005 7:07:06 PM PST by Rosemont
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To: Pukin Dog

I disagree.


124 posted on 11/20/2005 7:07:35 PM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: Rosemont
Octavian looks a little too much like Justin Timberlake to be a warrior though.

Yeah he was wise enough to realize that he was not meant to be a warrior. Octavian/Augustus has always been my favorite historical character. It's amazing how savvy the man was.

125 posted on 11/20/2005 7:07:39 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: DCBryan1

Suetonius records that an account of Caesar's final words was something like "You too, my child?"


126 posted on 11/20/2005 7:07:42 PM PST by Skywalk (Transdimensional Jihad!)
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To: marajade
Why not tell the truth, and let the chips fall where they may? (yeah, I know its a tv show)If her excuse is so plausible, why didn't she use it? Good riddance. I will miss her breasts, though.
127 posted on 11/20/2005 7:09:06 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: DCBryan1

Good thread, this.


128 posted on 11/20/2005 7:09:24 PM PST by rintense
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To: jmc1969
There won't be any major departures from history. Octavian will become the first Emporer, Brutus will commit suicide at Phillipi, Servilla will die of old age, Atia will die of natural causes while Octavian is Consul, etc etc.

The interesting characters in the show have always been Pullo, Vorenus and those that surround them because their fates are unknown.

129 posted on 11/20/2005 7:09:51 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: rintense
A nice break from politics.
130 posted on 11/20/2005 7:10:06 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: rintense
Good thread, this.

ROFLMAO!

Got anymore?

131 posted on 11/20/2005 7:10:09 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: Melas
Atia will die of natural causes

...like excessive iron poisoning?

132 posted on 11/20/2005 7:11:16 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: Melas
Hush! Not everyone reads, you know!
133 posted on 11/20/2005 7:11:25 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Why not tell the truth, and let the chips fall where they may? (yeah, I know its a tv show)If her excuse is so plausible, why didn't she use it? Good riddance.

It's not as simple as all that. The child's father was still alive at the time. He probably would have been killed by the enraged husband.

Also, the welfare of the child was a concern to the mother. Lucius is a good man, but he is still a product of his time. The wife even had to go so far as tell him the the child was blameless.

134 posted on 11/20/2005 7:11:56 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: DCBryan1

Good, freeper thread made by true conservatives.


135 posted on 11/20/2005 7:15:39 PM PST by rintense
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To: JeffAtlanta

I wonder if Pullo will ever tell Vorenus he knew about it, and that he killed little Lucius' father.


136 posted on 11/20/2005 7:17:00 PM PST by rintense
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To: JeffAtlanta
the welfare of the child was a concern to the mother

If that were true, she would not have killed herself and left him parentless.

Yes, yes, I know it's just a show, but what kind of mother leaves her children in such a way?

And Vorenus will probably latch on to the boy next season, as he is the last born of his wife, whom he loved very much.

137 posted on 11/20/2005 7:17:34 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: rintense
I wonder if Pullo will ever tell Vorenus he knew about it, and that he killed little Lucius' father.

I wonder if the slave already told him.

138 posted on 11/20/2005 7:17:57 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: DCBryan1; Bloody Sam Roberts
They shouldn't have killed Niobe...hope she appears with a bandage on her head in 2007

One can hope.

Poor Vorenus. He would have forgiven her, and understood the circumstances, I think, because he loved her so much.

And now his love is gone, and Pullo walks off holding the hand of the one he loves.

Dammit, can't they let them both be happy at the same time???

I am just so sad for Vorenus.

139 posted on 11/20/2005 7:19:40 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: rintense
Good thread, this

Very funny!

140 posted on 11/20/2005 7:20:10 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: teenyelliott; rintense; All
Well, Im off to bed...its a short week in the market. I will keep you guys/gals up to date on developments. I really enjoyed being on FR tonight with conservatives.

Gotta go let the pets in!

Goodnight!

141 posted on 11/20/2005 7:20:20 PM PST by DCBryan1
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To: teenyelliott
If that were true, she would not have killed herself and left him parentless.

As far as she knows, her husband is still a senator of Rome - he would have been well taken care of. Sensibilities were different during that time and wives were replaceable.

And by her worrying about the welfare of the child, I didn't mean his emotional well being but his very life.

142 posted on 11/20/2005 7:20:34 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta

Did Octavian tell Octavia that he and Pullo killed the Evander? I can't remember. Octavian, the master thinker he is, now knows Servilla used his sister for information to damn his family. Servilla is screwed, assuming they take a brief detour from history.


143 posted on 11/20/2005 7:21:51 PM PST by rintense
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To: DCBryan1

Nope, she lives a long time. Octavian will kill his political enemies, but he will spare Servilla and she'll die of old age. I'm starting to think that too many Freepers slept through history.


144 posted on 11/20/2005 7:23:40 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: DCBryan1
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145 posted on 11/20/2005 7:25:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated my FR profile on Wednesday, November 2, 2005.)
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To: Melas
Octavian will kill his political enemies, but he will spare Servilla and she'll die of old age. I'm starting to think that too many Freepers slept through history.

Nope, it's just that we are aware that some pretty significant historical liberties have already been taken.

146 posted on 11/20/2005 7:26:31 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: rintense
Did Octavian tell Octavia that he and Pullo killed the Evander?

Yeah, he did tell Octavia that he tortured and killed a man. It is unclear if Octavian is aware that Servilla used this information to help the senators kill Julius Caesar.

147 posted on 11/20/2005 7:28:17 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta

None of the historical liberties have been major like a historical character outliving history. So far, everyone has died pretty much right on schedule. I have no doubts that will continue.


148 posted on 11/20/2005 7:29:38 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Oh it won't take much for Antony, Octavian, a grieving Vorenus, and a pissed off Pullo to put 2 and 2 together.
149 posted on 11/20/2005 7:30:49 PM PST by rintense
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To: rintense
Oh it won't take much for Antony, Octavian, a grieving Vorenus, and a pissed off Pullo to put 2 and 2 together.

I have to wonder what sort of mindset that Vorenus will be in when (and if) the series continues. He was always very loyal to the Republic and his sense of morality may make him sympathetic to the restoration of the republic.

It will also be interesting to see if Vorenus hold any ill will toward Pullo or Octavian for their actions. I know that they were trying to help him but Vorenus is a complicated man and someone else impregnating your wife can confuse a man.

150 posted on 11/20/2005 7:35:25 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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