Skip to comments.Time to Leave (Time to Surrender)
Posted on 11/20/2005 10:01:13 PM PST by jmc1969
Not long ago wise heads offered some advice to those of us who had argued since 2003 that the Iraq war was sold on false pretenses: give it up. The 2004 election, they said, showed that we would never convince the American people. They suggested that we stop talking about how we got into Iraq and focus instead on what to do next.
It turns out that the wise heads were wrong. A solid majority of Americans now believe that we were misled into war. And it is only now, when the public has realized the truth about the past, that serious discussions about where we are and where we're going are able to get a hearing.
Representative John Murtha's speech calling for a quick departure from Iraq was full of passion, but it was also serious and specific in a way rarely seen on the other side of the debate. President Bush and his apologists speak in vague generalities about staying the course and finishing the job. But Mr. Murtha spoke of mounting casualties and lagging recruiting, the rising frequency of insurgent attacks, stagnant oil production and lack of clean water.
The only way to justify staying in Iraq is to make the case that stretching the U.S. army to its breaking point will buy time for something good to happen. I don't think you can make that case convincingly. So Mr. Murtha is right: it's time to leave.
(Excerpt) Read more at select.nytimes.com ...
And Mr. Krugman is wrong. Again.
Just call me "CUT AND RUN" Liberal, socialist, elitist, dummycrat, and I will be rinning for the US Senate in 06!
All you idiots who voted for Bush, remember to vote for a liberal in 06. WE "cut and run" when the going gets political!
I thought you had to pay for his columns? Are they back to giving this crap away for free? Or is this fair use? Just Curious.
It's a good thing that the Left hates war and killing, and are so educated that they can think these things thru </sarcasm>
If we leave quickly:
- We insure another 50 years of the same war tactics against us (Tet-sytle hits that look awful on the news, but are not militarily significant)
- Assure another Lebanon, Afghanistan, etc in that it becomes anarchy, torn by civil war, and a headquarters for terrorists
- and will no doubt insure that the 2-3 million deaths in southeast Asia after our departure will be surpassed.
I figure the Kurds will try to put together a greater Kurdistan, starting with the oil-rich base in northern Iraq. This will draw Iran, Syria, and Turkey into conflict with their Kurdish populations, who no doubt will realize that they are fighting to the death if they rise up.
In addition, Iran has a vested interest in the Shiite holy places and the Shiite populations, not to mention the oil in that part of the world.
The New Left: Stuck on Coward, since the 1960s.
Does this man know the meaning of "honor"? Of "commitment"? Of finishing a job correctly? Guess not ....
My BIL thinks Krugman hung the moon, and we're going to his house for Thanksgiving. Yikes. Should be a "fun" holiday.
So .. this idiot was out of town on Friday and didn't see all the democrats vote NO - on pullout in Iraq ..??
Or this means that the vote didn't really mean anything to the democrats .. they were just playing politics as usual.
a few paragraphs is fair use.
I call you a DUmmy.
>>>A solid majority of Americans now believe that we were misled into war<<<
Because they have heard nothing but lies and propaganda from the left wing media since the war began.
>>>And it is only now, when the public has realized the truth about the past<<<
Uh, Commie Paul, the public has been deceived. How about a little truth from you and your fellow propagandists and liars, for a change?
>>>But Mr. Murtha spoke of mounting casualties and lagging recruiting, the rising frequency of insurgent attacks, stagnant oil production and lack of clean water. <<<
And in doing so he convinced anyone with half-a-brain that he is a dimwit, on the order of Cindy Sheehan. Even President Bush had to back off grouping him with Michael Moore, because the President quickly realized there is no way Murtha is in the same league, intellectually, with Moore.
>>>So Mr. Murtha is right: it's time to leave.<<<
Which convinces me that we should stay. You will most likely never be wrong if you do the opposite of what Commie Paul Krugman suggests. And if Commie Paul suggests the same as Murtha, you can be guaranteed to be correct if you do the opposite.
You have to remember, Paul Slugman was an advisor to Enron during the time Enron was cooking the books...then when Enron collapsed, he cut and ran, and tried to blame Enron on Bush. Of course he has no such concepts!
Speaking of TROLLS! Of course now who is the real dummy?
You don't know -sarcasm- when you see it? The troll is on you my friend!
I bet his mother can't stand him.
Yeah, Paul, and George Washington should have cut his losses and not crossed the Delaware.
Isn't the New York Times yesterday's news?
He and his newspaper are simultaneously dishonest, ludicrous, and wrong. Quite a trifecta, but they've achieved that before. Many times.
Well, we've found one of Times Select's 150,000 subscribers. Anymore out there?
So when are those other 150,000 going to figure out it's much cheaper just to read it online than to pay for a regular subscription -- and eliminate a forest a day?
Paul Krugman, the Marxist of the millenium. Has there EVER been a wrong-headed, misguided and anti-American position this loser hasn't agreed with?
I love how Krug's a little behind the times. The Pubbies smoked out the RATs, they had to tell their moonbat constituency that, no, they weren't for an immediate pullout after all.
There is a difference. http://www.pottymouth.org/humor/shinola.html
Actually no I don't subscribe, it doesn't mean I can't find passwords for these news sites.
When will we learn how manipulated polls are?????? We can't believe the MSM and we can't believe their polls. The majority of people in this country still support Bush. Who else can a sensible person support? George Soros? Kennedy?Clinton? Biden? Schumer? Kerry? We're toast if we don't stand behind Bush in the fight against terrorism. Wake up! We're in World War III.
I think he was being sarcastic.
re: "A solid majority of Americans now believe that we were misled into war"
A more accurate description would be that a solid majority of Americans have been misled into believing that we were misled into a war.
Surrendering, giving ground to Islamo-facists, betraying the Iraqi people, destroying troop moral, making the United States look weak, small price to pay for bringing George Bush down.
The United States is one country divided by who it thinks is the enemy.
The libs don't hate the war, they hate Bush. Their hatred for Bush is the sun in their universe. It illumines all else.
Was going to read the article until I saw who wrote it.
Just this morning abc's enemedia radio spot on how our troops are killing small women and children in cold blood, on their way from a funeral. No doubt the erratic driving towards our troops checkpoint was caused by their grief of being in an occupied territory, just like palestine.
If only we would follow Cidney Shanhee orders, and run away from the peace loving religion of peace, then all would be peacefull
""""if you need a sarcasm tag
What IS ABC's official position on broadcasting ENEMY PROPOGANDA????????
Aap aap ahh dap dap!!!!!
Ours is a religion of peace
It aint Slim W, but this'll gitr done!
KIll A Commie For Mommie
You don't know -sarcasm- when you see it? The troll is on you my friend!
I guess I was too busy to notice the ...
Oh, wait, you didn't use the tag, and you made a great impression of a troll. I still think you are one, and should go back to DU, little one.
Seeing how it types like a DUmmy, I wouldn't run odds either way...
Poor Bill the Cat...he didn't deserve to be in the same post as Soros...
True, Soros doesn't have his tongue out and it's an insult to Bill.
Sorry, I didn't mean to demean a fellow Freeper. I was trying to belittle the 'success' of TimeSelect. 150,000 paying subscribers should just get them out of Manhatten.
Hope it's not too late for an apology.