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Stars line up in ex-gangster plea
BBC ^ | 11/28/05 | n/a

Posted on 11/28/2005 10:39:14 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Monday, 28 November 2005, 10:58 GMT

Stars line up in ex-gangster plea

Oscar-winning actor Jamie Foxx is among a number of high-profile stars calling for clemency for reformed gang leader Stanley "Tookie" Williams.

Foxx, who starred in a dramatisation of Williams's life, protested against Williams's planned execution at the premiere of his new film Jarhead.

Last week rap star Snoop Dogg spoke at a rally at San Quentin prison saying Williams's voice "needs to be heard".

Williams, 51, was sentenced to death in 1981 for the murder of four people.

Co-founder of the notorious Los Angeles Crips street-gang, Williams denies committing the 1979 murders that put him on death row.

He faces death by lethal injection on 13 December 2005.

While in jail, Williams has won praise for his anti-gang books, earning several Nobel Peace Prize nominations for his teachings.

His supporters range from Foxx and Snoop Dogg (himself a former Crips member) to Bishop Desmond Tutu and the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

They hope to persuade California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger that Williams can do more for society alive than dead.

When the Williams' biopic Redemption aired on US television last year, Foxx said: "If Stan "Tookie" Williams had been born in Connecticut in the same type of situation, and was a white man, he would have been running a company."

"But, born a black man who has the capability of having brute strength and the capability of being smart in the ways of the world, he's going to get into what he gets into."

But US prosecutors said Williams was a "cold-blooded killer" who did not deserve "atonement" for his "brutal, murderous acts".

The crimes Williams was accused of were "heinous," said former MASH star Mike Farrell, who has lobbied for him for several years, but insists he has made"an extraordinary transformation".

Russell Crowe and Harry Belafonte are among the signatures Farrell has collected calling for clemency for Williams.


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1 posted on 11/28/2005 10:39:14 AM PST by kiriath_jearim
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To: kiriath_jearim
I read over the weekend that the Governator is actually considering celmency. That's what's scary, not all this BS from the Hollyweird left.
2 posted on 11/28/2005 10:41:21 AM PST by b4its2late (There are good terrorists - dead ones.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
"...he's going to get into what he gets into."

And he's going to get what's coming to him.

3 posted on 11/28/2005 10:42:26 AM PST by rickmichaels
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To: kiriath_jearim

Tookie's gonna outlive us all.


4 posted on 11/28/2005 10:45:08 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: kiriath_jearim

He may be right with his Maker..but the state gave him a well deserved death penalty..The people have spoken.

Tookie has executed his victims..His victims were not afforded the same chance for transformation.


5 posted on 11/28/2005 10:45:44 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Let them all share the same IV..


6 posted on 11/28/2005 10:46:21 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: billorites

It is California..You may be right.


7 posted on 11/28/2005 10:46:41 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: kiriath_jearim
But, born a black man who has the capability of having brute strength and the capability of being smart in the ways of the world, he's going to get into what he gets into."

Bullshit.

Like this "poor black man" had no choice? Give me a break. And he is responsible for the deaths of possibly thousands of others who joined his violent mindset, and all of their victims, as well.

Why don't these numb skulls spend their valuable time lauding the accomplishments of people who haven't murdered others? Is that too much to ask?

8 posted on 11/28/2005 10:47:23 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: kiriath_jearim

It's funny how Mike Farrell says he made "an extraordinary transformation" when he probally didn't even know Tookie back when he committed this heinous crime.


9 posted on 11/28/2005 10:48:21 AM PST by Stayingawayfromthedarkside (The stink you smell are the liberals fuming after Ann speaks!!!)
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To: kiriath_jearim
People are making such a big deal about his name being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, I guess they don't understand that anyone can nominate anyone else for the honor of it, I could nominate my neighbor Steve and he could then claim for the rest of his life he got nominated.
Fry him and as many of his gang members as we can round up.
10 posted on 11/28/2005 10:48:25 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly catching hell for posting without reading since 2004)
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To: kiriath_jearim

How about a stars rally for the victims? Is that too much to ask?


11 posted on 11/28/2005 10:48:50 AM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("So far, so good. But this is only phase one."-- Captain America)
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To: b4its2late

I don't think so. Him granting clemency will seal his fate with CA GOP's. Many CA Republicans will not vote for him over this issue. Also, this guy committed 4 shotgun murders at close range execution style. Arnold also denied the last clemency request.


12 posted on 11/28/2005 10:49:58 AM PST by fisherman90814
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To: teenyelliott
Trivia question::::: What year was the last execution in California?

If you know the answer, you will know what the odds are that this hoodlum gets killed by the state. (btw, is there anybody who doesn't have a deathbed conversion when facing certain execution?)

13 posted on 11/28/2005 10:50:59 AM PST by bpjam (Now accepting liberal apologies.....)
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To: kiriath_jearim
He actually sounds like a great guy, and a credit to himself. Its a shame his work will be cut short by his execution. Arguably, more good might be served by keeping him alive. However, JUSTICE calls for his death.

Having said that, I am against capital punishment in general, there are a few other freepers like me.

14 posted on 11/28/2005 10:52:03 AM PST by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Williams, 51, was sentenced to death in 1981 for the murder of four people.

Great. Hes been using up our tax dollars rotting away in prison for 24 years. He should have been put to death years ago.

15 posted on 11/28/2005 10:52:27 AM PST by curtisgardner
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To: kiriath_jearim

???

"ex"- gangster

"reformed"

???

I guess if "ex" gangster means someone who hasn't had the chance to be one while incarcerated, then Tookie qualifies.

As to reformed . . . based on what evidence? That the libs love him??


16 posted on 11/28/2005 10:55:22 AM PST by An.American.Expatriate (Here's my strategy on the War against Terrorism: We win, they lose. - with apologies to R.R.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Id be willing to accept Tookie walking as long as all the stars who spoke up for him will get the needle instead. Sounds fair to me.


17 posted on 11/28/2005 10:55:34 AM PST by DogBarkTree
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To: kiriath_jearim
I guess all the famous "Crips" will come to his defense?
18 posted on 11/28/2005 10:56:03 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: kiriath_jearim

Yet again, not one word about the victims or their families. This guy was convicted for crying out loud.


19 posted on 11/28/2005 10:57:46 AM PST by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: Paradox
I agree, but I'm evil :-o]

I'd rather him get a breast augmentation, and then let loose in the general (prison) population.
20 posted on 11/28/2005 10:57:54 AM PST by Paul_N_Lakeside
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To: kiriath_jearim

The Hollywood left just never gets it... I am sure some are doing this in order to win over some fan support? Perhaps they should talk to the victims family and see how they fell about this guy??


21 posted on 11/28/2005 10:58:34 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: Abathar
I guess they don't understand that anyone can nominate anyone else for the honor of it

Absolutely....I seem to recall that a couple of thousand "nominations" take place every year.

22 posted on 11/28/2005 10:58:42 AM PST by ErnBatavia (403-3)
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To: kiriath_jearim

2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten says that Tookie should take a dirt nap, and the sooner the better.


23 posted on 11/28/2005 10:59:44 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: bpjam

The answer to your trivia question is 2005. Not what you expected, was it?


24 posted on 11/28/2005 11:00:01 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: kiriath_jearim


Have these defenders of a murderer

seen the crime scene photos ! ?


25 posted on 11/28/2005 11:00:05 AM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: kiriath_jearim

I wonder if George Bush made an "an extraordinary transformation" if Mike (I hate everything American) Farrell would support him?


26 posted on 11/28/2005 11:00:08 AM PST by garyhope (.)
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To: Paradox

You're not alone. I'm also becoming increasingly against capital punishment.


27 posted on 11/28/2005 11:00:35 AM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Line em up and knock em down. Tookie is toast and those that try to aid his bid to get out of what a jury sentenced him to. My prediction is that Ahhhhhnold will say he has weighed the merits of what Tookie has done while in prison in comparison to the lives he took and how.why he took them. He will say that even though SOME of the things he has done while awaiting his sentence are positive they do not outweigh the crimes he has committed.

These folks that stump for Tookie are ignoring four dead souls and the families that love them. They are ignoring what Tookie did to those folks directly and they are ignoring what his actions lead to indirectly (that being the growth of terrorist gangs). Ahhhhhnold will make the proper choice and refuse clemency. Those that oppose this decision do not respect the rule of law or the fact that people hold personal responsibility for the choices they make. Tookie did what he did and it is long past time that he pay the ultimate price.

You know, I find it odd how people will try to grant folks like Tookie exactly what it is they "TOOK".....that being someone'e life. How does one reconcile rewarding someone that stole something with the very thing they took? How exactly do they find 'punishment' in doing such a thing?

Some think that if they put enough years between the crime and the actual sentence, that people will settle in their desire for justice. That they will indeed somehow forget what the crike was or how brutal it was. All this in the push of their own anti death penalty agenda.

Tookie is done. December 13th will see justice done for familes that have been waiting many many years for it to be done.


28 posted on 11/28/2005 11:01:51 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: kiriath_jearim
I don't see how he can even be considered for clemency when he still maintains the lie that he is innocent and was framed.

Zero remorse should equal zero consideration.

29 posted on 11/28/2005 11:03:07 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: b4its2late

Like I said: Ahnold is listening to advisors for re-election, not to his conscience. And as he needs moderates to want to believe he is worth voting in again, he'll likely do the clemency option.


30 posted on 11/28/2005 11:03:15 AM PST by theDentist (The Dems have put all their eggs in one basket-case: Howard "Belltower" Dean.)
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To: Paradox
He actually sounds like a great guy, and a credit to himself.

Oh, yeah. I thought it was especially great how he shot that kid in the back twice while the kid was lying prone on the floor.

A really great guy indeed.

31 posted on 11/28/2005 11:05:09 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: bpjam

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20050119-0231-ca-beardsleeexecution.html
California executes man who killed two women over drug deal




By David Kravets
ASSOCIATED PRESS
2:31 a.m. January 19, 2005

almost 25 years on death row..

"Beardslee was declared dead by San Quentin State Prison officials at 12:29 a.m., becoming the first California inmate put to death since 2002 and the 11th since the state resumed executions in 1992. "

There are around 600 inmates on death row in California.


32 posted on 11/28/2005 11:05:17 AM PST by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: kiriath_jearim

does it really matter? if he hits the streets he'll be dead in a week anyway.


33 posted on 11/28/2005 11:05:48 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: billorites

not me, he's 25 years my senior.


34 posted on 11/28/2005 11:06:00 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

And stars wonder why less and less people go to see their movies or buy their junk. All I need is to see a star pulling this crap and I won't view another of their movies. Besides, why go to see their agenda driven drivel when I can watch Denzel Washington or Bruce (Iraq War in the true light) Willis? Oh, can't leave out Kiefer Sutherland, (24). I won't miss these.


35 posted on 11/28/2005 11:06:28 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: kiriath_jearim

"But, born a black man who has the capability of having brute strength and the capability of being smart in the ways of the world, he's going to get into what he gets into."

Did Foxx just state that Black Men have no control over their animal instincts? Did Foxx just state that Black Men are more animal than human, something less than human?

I'm not sure if I am reading his statement correctly, but something seems terribly wrong with it.


36 posted on 11/28/2005 11:07:38 AM PST by CSM (When laws are written, they apply to ALL...Not just the yucky people you don't like. - HairOfTheDog)
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To: kiriath_jearim
When the Williams' biopic Redemption aired on US television last year, Foxx said: "If Stan "Tookie" Williams had been born in Connecticut in the same type of situation, and was a white man, he would have been running a company."

[Snicker] Yeah, that's right. White people get away with murder everyday. Just like O.J. Simpson. It's a conspiracy, Foxx.

37 posted on 11/28/2005 11:07:50 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Stayingawayfromthedarkside

that's is his extraordinary transformation. he now has famous friends that didn't know who he was before he became a murderer.


38 posted on 11/28/2005 11:10:37 AM PST by Rakkasan1 (Peace de Resistance! Viva la Paper towels!)
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To: teenyelliott

"Why don't these numb skulls spend their valuable time lauding the accomplishments of people who haven't murdered others? Is that too much to ask?"

The folks lining up to stand beside this murderer are also the same folks lining up to demonize Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams, Condaleeza Rice, and many others. The best and brightest of our community are sneered at and have their reputations spit upon, yet an evil murderer is celebrated.

Liberalism is a mental disorder!


39 posted on 11/28/2005 11:10:37 AM PST by CSM (When laws are written, they apply to ALL...Not just the yucky people you don't like. - HairOfTheDog)
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To: theDentist

It's too bad. If anyone should get zapped, it's this dude.


40 posted on 11/28/2005 11:12:19 AM PST by b4its2late (There are good terrorists - dead ones.)
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To: Paradox
"Arguably, more good might be served by keeping him alive."

You're damn right you'd get an argument over that incredible remark!

"Good is served" by ridding our planet of evil murderous scum, of which "Tookie" is Exhibit 'A'.

41 posted on 11/28/2005 11:12:34 AM PST by Redbob
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To: kiriath_jearim
He still is a cold blooded killer. An unrepentant one at that.
42 posted on 11/28/2005 11:13:57 AM PST by alisasny
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To: Redbob

My guess is that he is no longer "evil" at this point, but he does bear the burden of his past, and should pay for it. I am wondering if his life since then has produced any "good". I dont know enough about the guy, or whom he might have positively influenced.


43 posted on 11/28/2005 11:16:57 AM PST by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: fisherman90814
I hope you're correct.
44 posted on 11/28/2005 11:17:08 AM PST by b4its2late (There are good terrorists - dead ones.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Excuse me, but what sort of clemency did this butt-wipe grant his victims?


45 posted on 11/28/2005 11:18:15 AM PST by NRA1995 (When liberals speak I hear the Vonage music playing.....woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo....)
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To: taxesareforever
Robert Thompson was the Last executed. He murdered Ginger Fleschley a friend of my sister.
Ginger was in our house daily when they were growing up.

I called every day tell GrayDavis that I will gladly come to the Q and pull the lever for Thompson.

Ginger's mother never was right after she was killed to just went into a depression and never came out.
46 posted on 11/28/2005 11:20:07 AM PST by Nalu
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To: bpjam
Well, considering this monster was sentenced in 1981, I'm guessing he is not worried.

Actions speak louder than words. Anyone can say, "Oh, by the way, I'm really nice now, and I love Jesus." But he murdered people, and lived a very violent life.

Any human being capable of the depravity of his actions did not start out "nice", and has no capacity to unlearn the lack of emotion that allowed the actions in the first place.

47 posted on 11/28/2005 11:21:50 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: CSM

Just gotta shake my head. Can't understand it.


49 posted on 11/28/2005 11:23:01 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Paradox
"He actually sounds like a great guy, and a credit to himself. Its a shame his work will be cut short by his execution.

Who knows how many more murders this "great guy" POS committed, (we only know of 4) who knows how many have died from Crip violence that he helped start. This "great guy" is not death row to be reformed. The death penalty is not about rehabilitation. This "great guy" could be reformed, he could be rehabilitated. He could receive the Nobel "Yasser Afafat" Peace prize. He could have ACLU, Jesse Jackson, all the Hollywood left, and you taking up his cause, but he has to answer for the crimes he was convicted for.

Some people believe that a condemned felon's attitude (or actions) should play a part in clemency, I do not. His current attitude or list of liberal friends have nothing to do with his murders he committed.

50 posted on 11/28/2005 11:28:04 AM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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