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Stars line up in ex-gangster plea
BBC ^ | 11/28/05 | n/a

Posted on 11/28/2005 10:39:14 AM PST by kiriath_jearim

Monday, 28 November 2005, 10:58 GMT

Stars line up in ex-gangster plea

Oscar-winning actor Jamie Foxx is among a number of high-profile stars calling for clemency for reformed gang leader Stanley "Tookie" Williams.

Foxx, who starred in a dramatisation of Williams's life, protested against Williams's planned execution at the premiere of his new film Jarhead.

Last week rap star Snoop Dogg spoke at a rally at San Quentin prison saying Williams's voice "needs to be heard".

Williams, 51, was sentenced to death in 1981 for the murder of four people.

Co-founder of the notorious Los Angeles Crips street-gang, Williams denies committing the 1979 murders that put him on death row.

He faces death by lethal injection on 13 December 2005.

While in jail, Williams has won praise for his anti-gang books, earning several Nobel Peace Prize nominations for his teachings.

His supporters range from Foxx and Snoop Dogg (himself a former Crips member) to Bishop Desmond Tutu and the Reverend Jesse Jackson.

They hope to persuade California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger that Williams can do more for society alive than dead.

When the Williams' biopic Redemption aired on US television last year, Foxx said: "If Stan "Tookie" Williams had been born in Connecticut in the same type of situation, and was a white man, he would have been running a company."

"But, born a black man who has the capability of having brute strength and the capability of being smart in the ways of the world, he's going to get into what he gets into."

But US prosecutors said Williams was a "cold-blooded killer" who did not deserve "atonement" for his "brutal, murderous acts".

The crimes Williams was accused of were "heinous," said former MASH star Mike Farrell, who has lobbied for him for several years, but insists he has made"an extraordinary transformation".

Russell Crowe and Harry Belafonte are among the signatures Farrell has collected calling for clemency for Williams.


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To: kiriath_jearim

This is SICK! This animal is a murderer, and as such, deserves to be put down! (Never mind that he was tried, convicted and sentenced to death years ago!)


51 posted on 11/28/2005 11:29:19 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Nalu

To these stars it is as if the only victim to be considered is the one to be executed. They could care less about the survivors of those who were murdered. I really think that they live in a world of "Can't change the past but we can change the future" mindset. A mindset that only looks at self. Disgusting.


52 posted on 11/28/2005 11:30:22 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: GregoTX
but he has to answer for the crimes he was convicted for. I completely agree. I am simply saying that it is a shame that any good he might be doing now will be cut short. He deserves what he is going to get, however, for the barbarity he displayed with his victims.
53 posted on 11/28/2005 11:31:13 AM PST by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: kiriath_jearim
Hmmmm....let's review some history regarding "Hollywood's" record on judging the character of others:

Jack Abbott...murderer,bank robber,all around swell fella is "discovered" by Norman Mailer.At Abbott's parole hearing, Mailer personally vouches for Abbott and guarantees him a job if he's released.Abbott is paroled due to Mailer's efforts.

Six weeks later,Abbott is back in prison,this time for having knifed to death a college kid/waiter because the kid had the audacity to refuse Abbott access to the restaurant's bathroom.

54 posted on 11/28/2005 11:34:49 AM PST by Gay State Conservative
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To: teenyelliott
considering this monster was sentenced in 1981

Ok now lets look what dollars he Tookie from the tax payers. Average 25 grand per year just to house and care for him, that is a cool 600 grand. How many taxpayer dollars were paid to the attorneys that prosecuted and defended endless and futile appeals? What medical procedures have he been given over the last 25 years?

Things are being made of what he has done with his life in prison. I would like to know why that is the issue INSTEAD of what COULD have been done during the lives of those law abiding folks that he KILLED !!!!!!
55 posted on 11/28/2005 11:38:35 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: Paradox
I am simply saying that it is a shame that any good he might be doing now will be cut short.

I would offer that the real shame is talking about Tookie's deeds in prison instead of saying what a shame it is that the good being done and would have been done by the folks he murdered was cut so short by the acts of a cold blooded killer.
56 posted on 11/28/2005 11:42:50 AM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: kiriath_jearim

No, he's not an ex-gangster yet. I'm looking forward to this notice from San Quentin in a couple of weeks:

"'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This gangster is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is Maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If we 'adn't nailed 'im in the coffin 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, rung down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS...IS AN EX-GANGSTER!!"


57 posted on 11/28/2005 11:44:18 AM PST by RichInOC (...and now for something completely different.)
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To: RichInOC

...of course, South Central Blues stun easily, major...


58 posted on 11/28/2005 11:46:18 AM PST by RichInOC (It's...)
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To: Paradox

You should say it correctly: "There are few other Freepers like me."


59 posted on 11/28/2005 11:53:04 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Governor Schwarzenegger,

It's time. Flush the turd down the toilet.


60 posted on 11/28/2005 12:01:26 PM PST by Adiemus
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To: Paradox
I rekon you and I look at the death penalty differently. IMO, a person sentenced to 15 years for a series of thefts, assaults ect is a candidate for an attempt to be rehabilitated. A person sentenced to life or capitol punishement does not. A death row inmate's attitudes or actions be they positive or negative would have no bearing on his sentence. Most condemned inmates claim jail house conversions. Good for them, I hope their conversions are real, I hope they had a change of heart and feel remorse. Doesnt change the penalty. Murdering a strangers in robberies cant be forgotten.

I gather from your perspective that a persons actions and attitudes AFTER a capitol penalty sentence is given would be an argument for clemency. Many people see it that way, but I take a different position on that.

61 posted on 11/28/2005 12:05:58 PM PST by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: GregoTX
I gather from your perspective that a persons actions and attitudes AFTER a capitol penalty sentence is given would be an argument for clemency.

Actually, I would see this only as an argument if we were to have to choose for clemency between two convicted murderers. I don't see that this would ever be the case. This guy deserves what he gets, its just a shame that we may lose any positive influence he might have had. Of course, its terrible what he did, if I was a family member of the victims, I would want to kill him myself.

I do have a generalized opposition to the death penalty, but it is based on the fallibility of justice and law, and the inability to "take back" certain punishments, once meted.

62 posted on 11/28/2005 12:13:52 PM PST by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: kiriath_jearim

Hopefully the Guv realizes that this murderer has been duly tried and convicted, and has had the opportunity to utilize and exhaust the appeals process fully. There is no questioning of the process, neither his representation, nor procedure, nor guilt. No new evidence. If the Guv is half as politically smart as I think he is, he will let the process complete December 13th.


63 posted on 11/28/2005 12:27:31 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: CSM
"But, born a black man who has the capability of having brute strength and the capability of being smart in the ways of the world, he's going to get into what he gets into."

Did Foxx just state that Black Men have no control over their animal instincts? Did Foxx just state that Black Men are more animal than human, something less than human?

Sure seems like he did!

64 posted on 11/28/2005 12:33:01 PM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Paradox
Being that there has been a flurry of appeals lasting for over 20 years, what is your basis of opposition for claiming it is based on the fallibility of justice and law, and the inability to "take back" certain punishments, once meted.?

Are you suggesting that that Tookie is innocent?

Or are you simply saying that you oppose all death penalty sentences in general for the possability of a mistake? Are you, by extension of that, saying that lack of perfection means total failure?

Again you fell sorrow for the 'good' he would bring if he was not executed and you do not mention the good that was coming from those he killed. Again you ignore the innocent victims and decide to point out the offender is some kind of victim or that society is somehow a victim of punishing the guilty.

The shame for any good Tookie could have brought the world does not rest on those that will execute him or those that want to see it be done already. That shame lays with Tookie HIMSELF because his actions were his own choices.
65 posted on 11/28/2005 12:33:11 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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To: BlueStateDepression
Are you suggesting that that Tookie is innocent?

Not at all. I simply oppose the death penalty in general for the reasons stated. That said, there are plenty of murderers on whom I would execute myself.

66 posted on 11/28/2005 12:36:18 PM PST by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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To: Paradox

From what I saw on Fox this weekend, he's still a piece of scum. According to sources at San Quentin, the guy has raped inmates and throws feces at prison guards. They didn't clarify if had done so recently. However, the officials at the prison do not agree that he's a good guy. He also ran the crips right from his jail cell.


67 posted on 11/28/2005 12:39:40 PM PST by Lanza ( Houston - Clear Lake area , Texas)
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To: Paradox

For clarification, you support something but you oppose it? You would take an action you directly oppose?

I would offer that you oppose mistakes in conviction regarding the death penalty and not the death penalty itself. Otherwise, you vote for it before you vote against it.


68 posted on 11/28/2005 12:40:37 PM PST by BlueStateDepression
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