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The Looming Immigration War - Tancredo for president, and other battles
Reason ^ | November 28, 2005 | Jeff A. Taylor

Posted on 11/28/2005 7:24:33 PM PST by neverdem

Tancredo for president, and other battles

Meet Jorge Humberto Hernandez Soto. The Mexican national is helping to flog Congress toward a showdown over the nation's immigration laws. Soto—unlicensed, illegal, and drunk—managed to get a borrowed Ford Explorer going 100 miles per hour the wrong way down Interstate 485 outside Charlotte, N.C., hitting another car and killing an 18-year old college student in the process.

Incidents like the one involving Soto, who was sent back to Mexico at least 17 times by U.S. authorities before his deadly wreck two weeks ago, are fueling popular demand for action—any action—at the federal, state, and local level. Across the nation, reliable weather-vane politicians like North Carolina Rep. Sue Myrick are rushing to demonstrate their tough-on-immigration credentials, lining up behind tougher immigration and border control legislation.

As a result, what was once Rep. Tom Tancredo's (R-Colo.) own personal hot-button issue is now a national immigration-reform movement. Fanned by talk-radio, not to mention Republican mania for some kind of wedge issue now that they've abandoned fiscal conservatism, immigration is shaping up as the Us vs. Them issue, certainly for next year's midterm election and perhaps 2008 as well.

Tancredo is sniffing around Iowa and has the dreaded and dread-filled potential POTUS candidate's book—In Mortal Danger—on the way. His Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus now has 91 members and expects to get actual House floor votes on several of its reform bills when Congress returns. With the GOP leadership in disarray, there is no telling how many votes the proposal might get.

As ever, a clumsy Bush administration move sparked the political firestorm. The White House spit out a half-hearted immigration reform plan, the core of which was a conceptually sound but poorly explained guest worker program. Many conservatives of a populist stripe never heard anything past the words "guest worker." A guest worker has to work somewhere, you see, and work means a job. A job that an American citizen would otherwise have. This is an absolute article of faith among the immigration reform camp.

They believe, for example, that contrary to several decades of experience, there exists a wage rate at which American citizens will claw sweet potatoes out of the sandy South Carolina soil with their bare hands, Jorge Humberto Hernandez Soto–style.

The reformers also promise harsh penalties on employers who hire illegal labor, a reflection of the certitude that the Bush administration is slow to act on the issue because "big business" wants cheap labor. You know, those corporate sweet potato buyers who could pay $10 a pound for tubers, but just like sticking it to the working man in between sipping double-scotches and buying yachts.

However, nothing reflects the profound shift in congressional thinking about immigration than the sudden conviction that "anchor babies" are part of America's immigration problem. Children born of illegal parents in the U.S. become citizens automatically, thus serving to anchor their parents to the country, sucking up entitlements and public school seats in the bargain. Along with a sturdy border fence, an end to anchor babies has become one of the magic-bullet fixes many reformers insist upon.

"I'm all in favor of people from other countries becoming U.S. citizens, but I don't know that it is appropriate to become a citizen automatically just by having the parents come into this country illegally and then be born here," Rep. John Shadegg (R-Ariz.) told The Arizona Republic last week.

Shadegg is one of 69 co-sponsors of a bill that would end America's policy of birth-rights citizenship. At one time advocating this change—which would seemingly require an amendment to the Constitution—was mostly for show. But reformers have recently embraced the interpretation of the 14th amendment offered by Chapman University School of Law professor John Eastman.

Eastman turned heads in September in testimony before the House Immigration, Border Security and Claims subcommittee by arguing that the amendment could be read to mean that children born to illegals in the U.S. were not citizens precisely because, as illegals, the parents had not subjected themselves to the jurisdiction of the U.S. government.

It is a controversial reading of the amendment, and the change would still face many hurdles—not the least of which would be the Senate —even if it were somehow to pass the House. But that such a fundamental change in American law is even under serious discussion underscores the degree to which immigration reform is a salient national political issue, as opposed to a state-wide or regional concern. There is no denying that House Republicans, Tancredo especially, intend to run with an immigration crackdown for 2006 and see where it leads.


Jeff A. Taylor writes the weekly Reason Express.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; immigrantlist; immigration; tancredo
He conveniently ignores so many other arguments against unfettered immigration. He doesn't even mention the threat of terrorism. This is one of the worst articles in Reason in quite a while.
1 posted on 11/28/2005 7:24:34 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

he also ignores the original intent of the 14th amendment:


"Every Person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons."

Senator Jacob Howard,
co-author of the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment, 1866.


2 posted on 11/28/2005 7:28:23 PM PST by flashbunny (To err is human. But to really screw something up, have the government try to fix it.)
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To: neverdem
" It is a controversial reading of the amendment,....

....uh... No, it's not. It's a literal reading that parrots the authors intent.

3 posted on 11/28/2005 7:29:00 PM PST by moehoward
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To: flashbunny

;-)


4 posted on 11/28/2005 7:30:06 PM PST by moehoward
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To: neverdem

Note the 10 most wanted in texas, they are marked white males but this is just another government cover up of what is happening.
http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/wanted/


5 posted on 11/28/2005 7:37:25 PM PST by zipp_city
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To: neverdem
How about this reason? It's his Constitutional duty, dammit!


U.S. Constitution Article 4 Section 4:

"The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government,

and shall protect each of them against Invasion;"


Invasion: \In*va"sion\, n. [L. invasio: cf. F. invasion. See Invade.] [1913 Webster]

1. The act of invading; the act of encroaching upon the rights or possessions of another; encroachment; trespass.


6 posted on 11/28/2005 7:39:37 PM PST by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: neverdem

Tancredo reminds me a lot of Buccannon, neither can be elected, both don`t work well with others and don`t accomplish much, and in the end , hurt Republicans.


7 posted on 11/28/2005 7:46:52 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: bybybill
You are wearing nomex underwear I trust.

(To be honest I always thought Tancredo was the name of a character from Star Wars.)

8 posted on 11/28/2005 7:49:53 PM PST by CWOJackson (michael savage: the white trash alternative to talk radio)
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To: bybybill

You're full of feces. Tancredo has a high lifetime ACU rating in the upper 90s from the ACU and has national name recognition. His objective is not to win the Presidency but to force the feckless GOP to toughen its stance or else lose votes to the Rats.


9 posted on 11/28/2005 7:50:29 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (JOE WILSON IS A MUTHAFAKING LIAR)
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To: neverdem
This whole argument is moot, anyway. When I was listening to Dubya's speech live on Hannity on the way home, all I could think of was: 'Gee, thanks, someone finally closed the barn door behind the horse. Too bad the gaddamned horse has been loose so long it died of old age years ago.' *GRUMBLE*


10 posted on 11/28/2005 7:57:41 PM PST by Viking2002 (Allah FUBAR!)
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To: bybybill
Tancredo reminds me a lot of Buccannon, neither can be elected, both don`t work well with others and don`t accomplish much, and in the end , hurt Republicans.

Which is another way of saying you favor open borders.
11 posted on 11/28/2005 8:01:10 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: bybybill

If the Republican Party can't get their membership to help halt the invasion of our southern border, then they DESERVE to be hurt.


12 posted on 11/28/2005 8:06:29 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: neverdem

Too bad Tancredo committed political suicide by proposing to nuke Mecca.


13 posted on 11/28/2005 8:10:11 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: neverdem
There was another incident like this in Charlotte in which a teacher was killed by an illegal Mexican drunk driver around September.
14 posted on 11/28/2005 8:10:15 PM PST by Freedom of Speech Wins
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To: Brilliant
Too bad Tancredo committed political suicide by proposing to nuke Mecca.

Actually the Islamofascists who use WMD against America would be the ones responsible for nuking Mecca. They don't want Mecca nuked, don't use WMD on America. Very simple, it was known as "Massive Retaliation" in Eisenhower's day and it worked like a charm.
15 posted on 11/28/2005 8:19:05 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: flashbunny

If someone who was born within the limits of the United States, is currently in the U.S., and is wanted by the government of Mexico subject to Mexican jurisdiction or to United States government jurisdiction?


16 posted on 11/28/2005 8:31:46 PM PST by dr_who_2
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To: neverdem

I really like Tom Tancredo and what he has to say .
I would vote for him .
He should ask Zell MIller to run as his VP .
A split ticket ;^)


17 posted on 11/28/2005 8:43:56 PM PST by injin
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To: Brilliant
Too bad Tancredo committed political suicide by proposing to nuke Mecca.

Why do you and your three friends keep spewing this silly deceptive half-truth every time there's a post that mentions Tancredo?

George Bush and Howard Dean are the only politicians who would allow terrorists sanctuary at Muslim holy sites after the US is nuked. Your position isn't as popular as you seem to believe it is.

FYI, if Tancredo runs for President, not one opponent will condemn him on his Mecca comment because to do so would force the critic to explain what he'd do if the US is nuked.

18 posted on 11/28/2005 8:49:04 PM PST by Jim_Curtis (Torture works)
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To: bybybill

BWAHAHAHAHA! How can you possibly hurt Republicans??


19 posted on 11/28/2005 9:00:45 PM PST by brushcop (We lift up our military serving in harm's way and pray for total victory and a safe return.)
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To: zipp_city

jeez you are right.
Crime is being transfered from Mexico to here
I am ready to go to battle over this issue.
enough is enough


20 posted on 11/28/2005 9:02:20 PM PST by Roverman2K
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To: injin
"He should ask Zell MIller to run as his VP...A split ticket ;^)"

Oops, you forgot something. Zell Miller has values, Tancredo is just another loose cannon - firing away! Why would Zell Miller want to blow his credibility!?!

21 posted on 11/28/2005 9:14:09 PM PST by harpu
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To: Brilliant

"Too bad Tancredo committed political suicide by proposing to nuke Mecca."

IMO, the only people who'd dismiss Tancredo on the basis of those (taken-out-of-context) comments are people who believe political correctness should trump national defense.


22 posted on 11/28/2005 9:18:52 PM PST by Mordacious
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To: Brilliant
>> Too bad Tancredo committed political suicide by proposing to nuke Mecca. <<

Ann Coulter said we should invade all Muslim nations, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity. A week later she went on and dated a Muslim. None of this even slowed down her cult of worship.

23 posted on 11/28/2005 9:25:59 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Nice to see the language improve here.
It makes your arguement so much more reasoned.
I want the border closed. I want a fence. I want to see existing laws enforced. Employers that knowing use illegals should pay a heavy fine or jail. I want illegals, when they are caught, sent home.
But, unlike some, if I can`t get it all, I`ll take what I can get now and keep trying.
Rep. Tancredo has a different agenda and it came out today 5 minutes after Bush`s speech. See, here`s what the "true believers" don`t understand, the Trancredo`s of this world don`t really care if they solve problems, no, instead they want to use the problem to advance themselves.If Tancredo, for example, wanted to solve the problem he would be working with the Adminisration instead of immediately attacking as he did today. But, if he wants an issue that will put him in front of the cameras, help him raise money, and, maybe, help him win higher office, then, to hell with everything else, he attacks.
The Congress will change the immagration laws next year. They will spend more money on the border. Do any of you think that Tancredo will be in the room when the bills are writen?


24 posted on 11/28/2005 9:28:54 PM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: harpu
>> Oops, you forgot something. Zell Miller has values, Tancredo is just another loose cannon - firing away! Why would Zell Miller want to blow his credibility!?! << <<

Zell Miller's "values" changed the moment he decided against running for re-election and no longer needed to pander to the RATs base. Prior to that, he was pro-abortion, pro-Max Cleland, anti-Clinton impeachment, etc., etc.

And you say TOM lacks credebility? Zell gives a good speech, but the fact is HE left the Dem party, not vice versa. He was loyal to their "cause" when they were all abortion luvin peacenick McGovern fanatics.

25 posted on 11/28/2005 9:29:22 PM PST by BillyBoy (Find out the TRUTH about the Chicago Democrat Machine's "Best Friend" in the GOP... www.nolahood.com)
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To: Brilliant
Too bad Tancredo committed political suicide by proposing to nuke Mecca.

Is taking statements out of context your hobby?

26 posted on 11/29/2005 1:02:44 AM PST by judgeandjury
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To: BillyBoy

Ann Coulter is not a Presidential hopeful, though.


27 posted on 11/29/2005 5:13:50 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: Mordacious

Unfortunately, that is more than half the country. Remember that about 1/2 the country is Dem, and another 20% or so is RINO.


28 posted on 11/29/2005 5:14:49 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: BillyBoy

Oh well...it's pretty obvious that you just can't get the Keyester stain off even the longer termed FReepers! Must be the political in-breeding that comes naturally in Illinois.


29 posted on 11/29/2005 5:31:01 AM PST by harpu
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; A CA Guy; ...

ping


30 posted on 11/29/2005 9:23:39 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: bybybill
Tancredo reminds me a lot of Buccannon, neither can be elected, both don`t work well with others and don`t accomplish much, and in the end , hurt Republicans.

Thank you bybybill for your resounding endorsement of Tom Tancredo. It's always nice to see someone in the Republican Party to factually recommend a strong candidate for President.

Again, thank you as I will be supporting Tom Tancredo in the primaries.

31 posted on 11/29/2005 9:39:57 AM PST by afnamvet
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To: Brilliant
The illegal immigration issue cuts across traditional political labels. Tancredo may be able to attract a huge segment of the labor union vote and maybe even the black vote if they get angry enough about being displaced in New Orleans. I think about the only Americans who don't agree with Tancredo's position on illegal immigration are the La Raza types, the far left and the RINO Chamber of Commerce wing of the Republican Party. If he can make illegal immigration the central issue in the next elections he will be able to make a decent run of it.
32 posted on 11/29/2005 9:45:28 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: neverdem

It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay there legal visas and Invaders.

I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government should be the first ones charged.


33 posted on 11/29/2005 9:45:45 AM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rush agrees with me 98.5% of the time!)
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To: gubamyster


Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant ~ Bump!


34 posted on 11/29/2005 9:48:09 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: zipp_city
Note the 10 most wanted in texas, they are marked white males but this is just another government cover up of what is happening.

At least eight of them look hispanic. It's the same thing in California. They're identified as "white males".

We hear everything about "hispanic rights", yet the government won't admit that a high percentage of criminals are hispanic.

35 posted on 11/29/2005 10:04:57 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen
At least eight of them look hispanic. It's the same thing in California. They're identified as "white males".

I believe this scam comes from the national crime reporting statistics database which I believe is maintained by the FBI. There is no Hispanic category when it comes to reporting criminal perpetrators. The little Hispanic check box is "missing". But there is a Hispanic category when it comes to crime victims. This makes it officially impossible for a Hispanic to commit a crime but easy for Hispanics to be victims. I have seen it speculated that the reason for this deception is to artificially inflate white crime statistics so that people do not realize the huge imbalance between white and minority committed crimes.

36 posted on 11/29/2005 10:31:44 AM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: afnamvet

Strong candidate, Tom Tancredo, you mean stupid candidate don`t you? The guy is all hot air and has as much chance to be elected POTUS as Saddamn. Just like Pat, it`s all about him.


37 posted on 11/29/2005 10:41:37 AM PST by bybybill (GOD help us if the Rats win)
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To: bybybill

The ACU (American Conservative Union) rated him at 100 but you new that.


38 posted on 11/29/2005 11:18:41 AM PST by afnamvet
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To: injin
Tom Tancredo
Zell MIller
2008

Awesome...

39 posted on 11/29/2005 11:22:10 AM PST by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ Day -1 to Day 8, Texas Minutemen El Paso, 32 Days)
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To: clee1

"If the Republican Party can't get their membership to help halt the invasion of our southern border, then they DESERVE to be hurt."

If the Republican Party can't get their head out of their arses long enough to halt the invasion of our southern border, then they DESERVE to be hurt.

There, fixed it for you :)

I think the great majority of the Republican Rank and File DO want to halt the invasion.

It's the jackasses in DC (starting with the White House) that don't want to fix it.


40 posted on 11/29/2005 11:26:48 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (3-7-77 (No that's not a Date))
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To: bybybill
"...don`t work well with others and don`t accomplish much, and in the end, hurt Republicans."

Darned - you almost describe George Bush.

41 posted on 11/29/2005 11:29:18 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: TLI
Tom Tancredo Zell MIller 2008

BTTT!

42 posted on 11/29/2005 11:44:51 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: jackbenimble
I have seen it speculated that the reason for this deception is to artificially inflate white crime statistics so that people do not realize the huge imbalance between white and minority committed crimes.

Hispanics (illegal aliens particularly) have become a protected class with GWBush at the helm. We're paying a high price.

43 posted on 11/29/2005 11:52:38 AM PST by janetgreen
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To: janetgreen

FYI..Tancredo was on Fox, LIVE, this afternoon, speaking after the video of Bush's coments at the border was released...Tancredo pretty much dismissed the President's proposals, and he sure sounded like a potential candidate.


44 posted on 11/29/2005 12:04:30 PM PST by ken5050 (Ann Coulter needs to have children ASAP to pass on her gene pool....any volunteers?)
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To: bybybill; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ...
If Tancredo, for example, wanted to solve the problem he would be working with the Adminisration instead of immediately attacking as he did today

byby, you're kuku on Tancredo.

How many immigration reformers have tried to work with the Republican Party on this ... and failed miserably? How can you work on immigration reform when Karl Rove has W convinced Mexicans are the 'Republicans of the Future?'

How can you work with people who think we need massive waves of illegal Third World immigration to straighten out Social Security?

It is not Tancredo, whatever his many faults, who is behaving unreasonably here. It is the Republican leadership that will not listen to its base. No matter how you whitewash it, Bush wants amnesty and a guest worker program. We have a government that would allow 100,000 illegal aliens into Columbus, Ohio, when at the same time there are 100,000 displaced coal miners un-and-under-employed at the poverty level in southern Ohio and West Virginia.

It is thanks to Tancredo's pressure that GWB is at least incoherently mumbling something at least, about illegal immigration now. That, and the fact that some RNC Clymer may have left his country club bar long enough to notice that the Democrats are beginning to work this issue to their advantage.

Of course, we are inching toward a rational solution, which on this site is sometimes called 'downsizing.' Stringent border control. No Matricula Consular. Employer sanctions. No Drivers Licenses. No Birthright citizenship to the children of illegal aliens. When they go home, there will be no easy re-entry. Great ideas. Tancredo is simply saying, "NOW!"

My theory? Nothing will happen until (and if) the Congressional Black Caucus (God lov'em) suddenly and miraculously awakens from its corrupt slumber and notices that illegal aliens are shoving THEIR people even further down the totem pole of American economic life. E.G., illegal Mexicans working all over LA, when there's 50% unemployment among young people in Watts.

You want the GOP to win the 2006 races? You had better pray that this Tancredo's message gets maximum traction within the party elite. They could shut him up in a heartbeat with some good old fashioned common sense on immigration.

The Congress will change the immagration laws next year. They will spend more money on the border. Do any of you think that Tancredo will be in the room when the bills are writen?

Your trust in the good faith of GOP on immigration is indeed touching and quaint (something like your spelling). If Tancredo, or his ideas are not the biggest thing in that room, you are not going to see any meaningful strides taken to control a situation that is ruining this country on many levels.

45 posted on 11/29/2005 2:11:05 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (Free Tookie... on the range at my Gun Club.)
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To: bybybill

"If Tancredo, for example, wanted to solve the problem he would be working with the Adminisration instead of immediately attacking as he did today"

There's no way to work with an administration that is dead set on a one world socialist government and the elimination of all borders and countries as they exist tody.


46 posted on 11/29/2005 5:12:14 PM PST by dalereed
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To: ken5050
Tancredo pretty much dismissed the President's proposals, and he sure sounded like a potential candidate.

The word is getting out:


47 posted on 11/30/2005 1:26:46 PM PST by archy (The darkness will come. It will find you,and it will scare you like you've never been scared before.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
His (ie:Tancredo's) objective is not to win the Presidency but to force the feckless GOP to toughen its stance or else lose votes to the Rats.

If that is the case, he has nothing but my contempt. Someone who isn't serious about winning just marginalizes the issue so the 'pubs don't have to worry about a vote against them going to real competition, ala Dr. Keyes, who did the pro-life movement irreversible harm.

If Representative Tancredo wants to make a real run for President, and find a VP who will bring in the extra boost in support he'll need, I'll be behind him 100%. If he's there to "make a point" the point is that someone will get elected without having to be 100% committed to stopping the invasion and saving the nation.

48 posted on 11/30/2005 1:48:21 PM PST by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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