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TRY AGAIN, MR. PRESIDENT -- THOSE WERE EMPTY WORDS [The Presidnet's Amnesty Program]
Neal Boortz ^ | Nov. 29, 2005 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 11/29/2005 5:25:04 AM PST by conservativecorner

Yesterday, George W. Bush strode to a podium in Tucson, Arizona (I love Tucson!) and against a backdrop of law enforcement officers, announced his latest plan to crack down on illegal aliens. There was nothing in his speech we haven't heard before, and his new immigration policy is just as contradictory as the old one. Among the initiatives announced:

We should build more jail cells to hold illegal aliens. Good idea. The speeding up of deportations, a crackdown on fraudulent identity papers, and a hardening of the border with more surveillance. So far, so good. Then the nonsense started to flow. The president urged Congress to pass his guest-worker amnesty program and repeated the nonsense that the illegal aliens are here "to fill jobs that Americans will not do."

Same old, same old. It is impossible to stand there and say you're going to crack down on illegal immigration while at the same time say that you are going to reward people who broke our immigration laws. The president says it's not amnesty. Ok, now we've finally caught the president in a lie. OF COURSE it's amnesty! When you tell someone who has broken the law that you are not only going to ignore their illegal conduct, but you are actually going to reward them for it, then you have more than plain old garden variety amnesty, you have amnesty with perks!

As for the oft-repeated line that the illegal aliens fill jobs Americans won't, that's also a load. Companies may not be able to fill those jobs with Americans at the same low wages they pay Mexicans, but there are plenty of people in this country that would do the work at the right price. OK .. so the price of headless chickens, landscaping and construction might go up, but at least the people receiving those paychecks would be law-abiding residents of this country, most of whom would be citizens. There is something wrong with the idea of celebrating lower home prices when those lower prices are brought with disrespect for the laws of our country. It gets worse than that. We are threatening our very security by singing the praises of illegal aliens in our workforce. Just two weeks ago we were interviewing a Texas congressman who was telling us that U.S. intelligence agencies have knowledge that Al Qaeda terrorists have moved to Mexico, adopted Hispanic identities, learned the Spanish language, and then moved right into the United States across our porous borders.

George Bush failed to address the problem appropriately yesterday, but this isn't strictly a George Bush issue. There is absolutely no willingness on the part of either political party to crack down on illegal immigration. There are simply too many votes to be had in the Hispanic community. So as a result, our security as a nation is threatened and our cities and states are overrun with illegal aliens.

I'm sure representatives of Al-Qaeda are preparing to apply for their guest-worker permits as we speak.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona; US: California; US: Nevada; US: New Mexico; US: Texas; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; boortz; buchananites; bushbashers; daneisanassclown; immigrantlist; immigrationplan; immigrationspeech; xenophobs
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To: UCANSEE2; Fawn; Borax Queen; Czar
He is a man who refuses to trash his conscious and soul for the golden ring. It is what used to be called, "JUST DOING YOUR JOB RIGHT." It is little wonder so few understand and accept how and what he is doing.

oh puhleeze spare me; the President has violated his oath to the Constitution where he swore to protect American citizens. The Constitution makes clear this would be both foreign and domestic.....and we have been invaded by illegal aliens.

551 posted on 11/29/2005 2:03:26 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: conservativecorner
As far as I'm concerned, George Bush just fired every blue-collar worker in America. "Gee, we don't want to encourage illegal immigration, and double golly gee, we do want to protect our borders, but if you can get here we'll give you a three year visa and all the other bennies!"

America is about to become a third-world ghetto. Real citizens not only won't, but can't afford to work at the slave-labor prices that employers can get for illegal Mexicans, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc. It's a race to the bottom, you see; the blue-collars can either work their asses off for pennies or not work at all and starve. Cui bono? Who benefits? Employers, that's who.

It's disgusting how transparent the whole thing was. Bush crowed about larger detention centers that (now that everyone essentially has amnesty) will never be needed. How stupid does he think we are?!?!?!

But it's ok, we proles will have our revenge in the end. Pretty soon, no one will be able to afford all of the pretty gadgets (Xboxes, iPods, cars, computers) that employers are now hiring illegal aliens and cheap overseas labor to make, because regular people won't make enough money at their jobs to buy them. How will they make a profit then? They'll be joining us in the breadline soon enough, but not before their short-sightedness has ruined us all.

552 posted on 11/29/2005 2:06:23 PM PST by Alien Gunfighter (Socialist liberals never imagine themselves as peasants under their 'perfect' socialist regime)
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To: MNJohnnie
I would think that most if not nearly all Americans want control of our border.

Bush has failed in many many areas, and this is one of the worst ones.

All illegal aliens within the boarder need to hunted down and deported.

All employers of illegal aliens need to be either fined severely, or shut down.

The entire southern border needs a barrier, as well as 5-10 times more border agents.

All people entering this country must do so through authorized check points, and only after having applied for legal entry.

All those who enter legally that extend beyond the time permitted, must be apprehended, all properties seized, DNA tested, photographed and finger printed and immediately deported.

BUSH IS A TOTAL FAILURE ON THE BORDER...
553 posted on 11/29/2005 2:12:30 PM PST by antaresequity (PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH, PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED)
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To: MNJohnnie
Good Question. I don't think I would call them or consider them trolls. Trolls contemplate lying to gain power. These folks seem to have weak convictions, and are just easily swayed by loud voices, scared by the wind rustling through the trees.

The MANPOWER currently on ALL BORDERS (oh yeah, MEXICO is not the only BORDER area for the US. All COASTLINES are border areas, as well as the northern border to Canada) is the HIGHEST EVER.

There have been NO TERRORISTS with MATERIALS to be used to destroy US CITIZENS that have gotten across our borders and completed their mission.

NONE, since 9/11. DO YOU ALL GET THAT!!!!

If you are going to demand that our government and it's leaders DO SOMETHING (as we have a right to demand) make sure what you demand is even possible first.

President Bush would have to violate the laws of office, of our country, our type of government to make the INSTANT CHANGES I have seen demanded by multiple posters on this very thread.

The EXACT AMOUNT of new BORDER PATROL PERSONNEL is being added each month, as per LAWS AND BILLS PASSED BY THE SENATE and CONGRESS of our national government.

President Bush did not hire these people, or vote them in.

WE DID.

Do not blame President BUSH for following the law and spending the money you authorized, and not a penny more.

If you violate the law to soothe people's concerns, your public gains false consolation, and you are still a law violator.

We wanted Bill Clinton to follow the law, and damned him for not doing so.

We get a President who follows the law and yet the public wants to blame him for things that have not occurred due to the increase in surveillance and security so far.

MOST PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY should consider whether they deserve to be an AMERICAN CITIZEN, instead of whether George Bush deserves to be PRESIDENT.

554 posted on 11/29/2005 2:16:44 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2; nicmarlo

Better go drink some more of the Bush Kool-Aid.


555 posted on 11/29/2005 2:23:11 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: UCANSEE2

"Free Trade" as practiced by the white house, is global socialism.


556 posted on 11/29/2005 2:23:47 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: ConsentofGoverned
A free and independent America is the side I am on, Not sure what side you are on.

A FREE AND INDEPENDENT AMERICA?

If you want the borders CLOSED, then you are not interested in a FREE and INDEPENDANT AMERICA.

You are like a crack addict hiding in his house, afraid to go out and face the world.

You assume you are safe because your doors and windows are boarded up.

You might be safe, but you assuredly are not FREE nor INDEPENDANT.

Your finances have dried up because you have cannot interact with others in employment or earnings.

Your false pride in being a 'TRUE AMERICAN' and keeping all NON-AMERICANS out has left you in the silence, and the darkness, to die alone.

557 posted on 11/29/2005 2:24:17 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: saganite
Your comment is baiting, at the very least.

Since you aren't in DC campaigning against the high rate of child molestors, then should one assume you are FOR MOLESTING CHILDREN?

If you are going to spend time TYPING on a KEYBOARD, you should make better use of your time.

COME UP WITH A MORE INTELLIGENT RESPONSE OR QUESTION and promote solutions, instead of making obviously ridiculous arguments.

As I have stated and offered before, YOU come up with a PLAN OUTLINE, with timetables, money resources, get the SENATE and CONGRESS to SWEAR to SUPPORT you during VOTING, an impact statement on the financial losses for American companies, for Canadian, for Mexican companies, for all FOREIGN COMPANIES (many of those who died on the WTC on 9/11 were not 'AMERICANS', they just worked here.) for "CLOSING THE BORDERS", WITH AN EXPECTED COMPLETION DATE.

We will all look it over and if it is workable, then we will all tell the President WHAT A GOOF HE IS.

If you cannot provide the simple outline of a workable plan, in writing, RIGHT FRICKING NOW, then I would suggest that you realize your complaints are having the same type of effect as the lies of the DEMS in regards to the US MILITARY LIVES AT RISK IN IRAQ.

THINK ABOUT THAT.

Are you a good citizen?

Or are you risking Americans safety, security and happiness because you enjoy bitching?

558 posted on 11/29/2005 2:33:54 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
"If you want the borders CLOSED, then you are not interested in a FREE and INDEPENDANT AMERICA. You are like a crack addict hiding in his house, afraid to go out and face the world. You assume you are safe because your doors and windows are boarded up. You might be safe, but you assuredly are not FREE nor INDEPENDANT. Your finances have dried up because you have cannot interact with others in employment or earnings. Your false pride in being a 'TRUE AMERICAN' and keeping all NON-AMERICANS out has left you in the silence, and the darkness, to die alone."

What are you smoking; whatever it is you have had too much of it.

The United Stetes is a resource rich country of nearly 300 million people. If that is not enough to make your business run profitably, then you have major problems, and should consider selling the thing to someone who knows how to run a it.
559 posted on 11/29/2005 2:35:37 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: gubamyster
I listened to the speech during Sean Hannity yesterday. Bush is about 5 years late making it.

What amazed me is how he came on as the Caped Crusader that just discovered we have a problem and now he is going to solve it. That is nonsense - Bush is the problem. If he was serious about this he would have already done something about it.

560 posted on 11/29/2005 2:36:35 PM PST by Brownie74 (An ex-republican looking for a party to join.)
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To: saveliberty
He campaigned on a guest worker program in 2000

In otherwords, President Bush, having been raised in TEXAS on a RANCH, having had a wealthy family that hired MIGRANT WORKERS, has personal experience in the REALITY of CROSS BORDER, MIGRANT WORKERS and what SOLUTIONS are POSSIBLE and provide the BEST RESULTS.

I would guarantee that 99.9% of the posters on this thread that are blaming President Bush for not CLOSING THE BORDERS INSTANTLY, have 0% experience on WHAT WHO HOW WHY WHEN WHERE WHAT TO DO, about the border.

Who would you trust more?

561 posted on 11/29/2005 2:38:34 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2
If you want the borders CLOSED, then you are not interested in a FREE and INDEPENDANT AMERICA.

This makes no sense according to the founding fathers. A closed border makes America FREE because she is not subject to invasion by those who do not value our system of government and do not care to see it preserved.

A closed border makes America INDEPENDENT, because she will rely on no other country for her well being. OPEN BORDERS CREATE DEPENDENCE. That is why the global socialists are calling for open borders and the removal of protections on American products so that those industries will die out. OPEN BORDERS are creating a situtation from which America can may never be extricated. To destroy the only free and independent nation on the globe is just one goal of the fraudulently named "free trade".
562 posted on 11/29/2005 2:39:31 PM PST by hedgetrimmer
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To: UCANSEE2

We have around 12 million illegal aliens in the country now. Many showed up under the watchful eye of the current administration. It is obvious that Bush wants some of these workers here under the pretense of guest worker or did I let my ears deceive me. Have another long tall drink of kool-aid. How many illegal aliens have been turned loose on the catch and release program? You wonder why some here doubt?


563 posted on 11/29/2005 2:40:16 PM PST by Sterco
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To: conservativecorner

You know the really sad part of this? It indicates how the Oligarchy views the peons .

They really think we are so stupid that we can not see through this thinly veiled amnesty.


564 posted on 11/29/2005 2:40:25 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Sola Scriptura,Sola Christus,Sola Gratia,Sola Fide,Soli Deo Gloria)
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To: RnMomof7

Yeah, and it's not even a "benign" oligarchy anymore with the blatant destruction of our country proceeding on a daily basis.


565 posted on 11/29/2005 2:42:01 PM PST by Borax Queen
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To: UCANSEE2
In otherwords, President Bush, having been raised in TEXAS on a RANCH, having had a wealthy family that hired MIGRANT WORKERS, has personal experience in the REALITY of CROSS BORDER, MIGRANT WORKERS and what SOLUTIONS are POSSIBLE and provide the BEST RESULTS.

So are suggesting that Bush should be impeached and tried for illegally employing aliens, or that none of us should talk about abortions or murder since we haven't been murdered or aborted?
566 posted on 11/29/2005 2:42:30 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: UCANSEE2

LOL! You can certainly draw enormous conclusions from very little. Seems you're the one who needs to STEP AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD! Doofus.


567 posted on 11/29/2005 2:43:23 PM PST by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: UCANSEE2
Who would you trust more?

CERTAINLY not THE guy WHO is A stinking GLOBALIST. And, for the RECORD, I live ON the BORDER myself and I likely KNOW far MORE about THIS problem THAN you EVER will. BUSH'S ranch IS not NEAR the BORDER and THE White HOUSE certainly IS far REMOVED from the PROBLEM. He's LOST touch WITH his BASE on THIS issue TO be SURE.

I guess THAT just BECAUSE he IS the PRESIDENT he's ABSOLUTELY infallible ON every OTHER issue TOO. Right?

DO you LIKE how I capitalized JUST about EVERY other WORD? No? THEN why DO you INSIST upon DOING it?

568 posted on 11/29/2005 2:47:21 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: UCANSEE2; saveliberty; Borax Queen; Czar
I would guarantee that 99.9% of the posters on this thread that are blaming President Bush for not CLOSING THE BORDERS INSTANTLY, have 0% experience on WHAT WHO HOW WHY WHEN WHERE WHAT TO DO, about the border.

Who would you trust more?

On this issue? The Minutemen, whom the President called "vigilantes."

569 posted on 11/29/2005 2:49:48 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Spiff

foflol!


570 posted on 11/29/2005 2:50:07 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: RnMomof7; Borax Queen
They really think we are so stupid that we can not see through this thinly veiled amnesty.

Appears to be their standard M.O.

571 posted on 11/29/2005 2:51:02 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: wtc911
gratefully swallow everything they dish out and play with cartoons.

When I hear that type of comment, It makes me wonder about the commentor.

That "swallowing" is exactly what the detractors, the complainers, the DEMS ask YOU TO DO.

Most Americans that I know that are supporters of the accomplishments and the path this administration have taken, do so because they were skeptical, they verified before trusting. BUT THEY DO CHECK.

As has been pointed out in the past, NAME ONE THING ILLEGAL or WRONG President Bush as done.

I am not saying he makes perfect decisions, and neither would he.

We all make mistakes.

I am totally amazed at the amount of corruption in the national and state governments that has been EXPOSED and REMOVED.

This has been done quietly and the media has not bothered to document or mention it.

You have no idea of size of the bag of worms that the Clinton Administration handed over to their successors.

I think the amount of FREEPERS who can actually imagine what President Bush has had to face and resolve is at or BELOW ZERO.

Imagine running a company where you must get the vote or permission on all decision's from your employees and their families (including children).

And HALF of your employees are dedicated to having your head chopped off in PUBLIC.

572 posted on 11/29/2005 2:52:29 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: nicmarlo
On this issue? The Minutemen, whom the President called "vigilantes."

Hey, I'm one of those too. I've got the tag right here to prove it. I have it clipped to my "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent" hat that I keep on my shelf when I'm not using it.

573 posted on 11/29/2005 2:53:26 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: UCANSEE2; ConsentofGoverned
If you want the borders CLOSED, then you are not interested in a FREE and INDEPENDANT AMERICA. You are like a crack addict hiding in his house, afraid to go out and face the world. No, it's more like this: after a homeowner bought the most expensive, up-to-date security system possible for his house.....all it required was for him to TURN IT ON AND CLOSE THE DOORS so the system, ALREADY IN PLACE, would actually WORK the way it's supposed to.
574 posted on 11/29/2005 2:53:39 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Spiff

Thank you Spiff; keep up the good work that the President and elected officials won't do.


575 posted on 11/29/2005 2:54:48 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: UCANSEE2; ConsentofGoverned
Sorry, in more legible form:

If you want the borders CLOSED, then you are not interested in a FREE and INDEPENDANT AMERICA. You are like a crack addict hiding in his house, afraid to go out and face the world.

No, it's more like this: after a homeowner bought the most expensive, up-to-date security system possible for his house.....all it required was for him to TURN IT ON AND CLOSE THE DOORS so the system, ALREADY IN PLACE, would actually WORK the way it's supposed to.

576 posted on 11/29/2005 2:55:25 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: UCANSEE2
NAME ONE THING ILLEGAL or WRONG President Bush as done.

He has failed to enforce the law; which by-the-way, happens to be his primary job.
577 posted on 11/29/2005 2:57:12 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: UCANSEE2
President Bush is routing corruption in government at all levels, by setting an example of conviction and insistence on following the law and the rules of this great nation.

Did you forget to include an /sarcasm tag or something?

President Bush has been absolutely MIA in his Constitutional duty to protect us from invasion. On his watch, at least 3 million illegals invaded our borders. That is more than 10 times as many troops as we sent to Iraq. Protecting the borders is one of the duties specifically enumerated by the Constitution for the Federal Government and enforcement falls to the Commander in Chief. He is failing miserably!

President push has been completely derelict in his responsibility to enforce our immigration laws. The Constitution does not give the President the right to pick and choose which laws to enforce. He is the Chief Law Enforcement officer and he has a duty to enforce them all. Yet every year of his Administration, enforcement of our laws against employing illegal immigration has fallen further. Lat year it was all but nonexistent.

You could have posted on just about any other topic and I might have agreed with you about President Bush but on immigration he is AWOL and to spout off about his insistence on following the law is laughably absurd.

President Bush loves to talk about "jobs Americans won't do". If there is one job in the United States that apparently no American is willing to do it is President of the United States. Lots of politicians want the title but none of them, including GWB, want to actually live up to the Constitutional duties and responsibilities.

578 posted on 11/29/2005 2:57:52 PM PST by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: MNJohnnie

Having read many of your posts and your vehemnet attacks on anyone criticizing Bush's immigration policies I have a question. What country were you born in. You remind me a lot of Bayourod only you're not as polite.


579 posted on 11/29/2005 2:58:45 PM PST by dljordan
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To: nicmarlo

Provide justification for VIOLATION OF OATH to the CONSTITUTION.

Please explain how he could have done different without violating the structure and laws of our government.

Please explain what terrorist attacks have occurred since 9/11 that caused Americans on their own soil injury or death because they were not protected.

If you are just wobbling your lips to move the air around, try getting an electric fan. It is quieter and more efficient.


580 posted on 11/29/2005 2:59:29 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

Go read the Constitution, wherein it states the part I already mentioned.

I can't read it for you; I already know what it says....and I already told you what it says, in my previous post.

Perhaps you like reading and spouting fairy tales, instead.


581 posted on 11/29/2005 3:01:50 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: antaresequity
All illegal aliens within the boarder need to hunted down and deported.

Does this include any of your relatives?

If you are talking about the MEXICAN BORDER, why do you not mention the other borders?

Doesn't this focus on the Mexican Border show RACIAL PREJUDICE?

White Canadians are OK, but greasy Mex's aren't?

582 posted on 11/29/2005 3:02:15 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: UCANSEE2

We have illegal aliens, Bush has done nothing, hence he has violated his oath. What is so hard to comprehend?


583 posted on 11/29/2005 3:04:20 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: UCANSEE2; antaresequity

Must you type racial slurs in your attempt to defend illegal aliens coming from our southern border, who are not comprised solely of illegal Mexicans? Approximately 54% of illegals from the southern border, btw, were born in Mexico.


584 posted on 11/29/2005 3:05:28 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: UCANSEE2

........As has been pointed out in the past, NAME ONE THING ILLEGAL or WRONG President Bush as done.......

He has encouraged more illegal immigration by touting his guest worker/amnesty plan. That's a fact. Some would call that aiding and abeting illegal entry, by encouraging them. He has also failed to enforce our immigration laws, especially employer sanctions.


Encouraging/Inducing -- Subsection 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv) makes it an offense for any person who -- encourages or induces an alien to come to, enter, or reside in the United States, knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such coming to, entry, or residence is or will be in violation of law.

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm01907.htm

Reportedly there was a survey done of illegals caught coming into the US and one of the questions asked was why and many responded because of Bush's amnesty. Then the WH tried to bury that survey. Shocking.


585 posted on 11/29/2005 3:06:51 PM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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To: UCANSEE2

We have a system in place to accept legal aliens. I don't care if the rest are green and walk purple dogs if they are not here legally they should be deported. Enforcement is dropping off not picking up. Are we to expect a change? There is nothing to uphold what you say.


586 posted on 11/29/2005 3:09:26 PM PST by Sterco
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To: UCANSEE2
Does this include any of your relatives? If you are talking about the MEXICAN BORDER, why do you not mention the other borders? Doesn't this focus on the Mexican Border show RACIAL PREJUDICE? White Canadians are OK, but greasy Mex's aren't?

What an asanine thing to say.

For starters nowhere in my post did mention mexico, mexicans, latins or anyone else for that matter.

I don't care what country they are from. Guatamala, El Salvadore, Mexico or Syria.

Round all those up here illegally and deport them. Close the border and process legal requests against a quota.

Those with higher education and accomplishment get preferential review...

WHAT PART OF "ILLEGAL" IS SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?

587 posted on 11/29/2005 3:11:08 PM PST by antaresequity (PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH, PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED)
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To: UCANSEE2
If you are talking about the MEXICAN BORDER, why do you not mention the other borders?

Why? Do we have 30 million illegal Canadians running around the U.S. pillaging, raping, comitting high crimes, even as they consume our social services? Let me know, I always thought our border with Mexico was the bigger problem, and I would hate to be penny wise and dollar foolish.
588 posted on 11/29/2005 3:11:58 PM PST by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: UCANSEE2
Please explain how he could have done different without violating the structure and laws of our government.

Please refer to the table I posted in Post #398. You will see that in 2002 the Bush Administration fined only 13 employers of the hundreds of thousands who employ illegal aliens. In 2003 they only fined 124. When you compare that to the 20 million illegal aliens here, which equates to about that many illegal alien employment violations per year, then you get a statistical zero when it comes to interior enforcement of our immigration laws.

Bush sets the policy for his Administration. He is the executive and is responsible for the enforcement of our laws. These statistics, which came from DHS, prove that he was derelict in his duty to enforce the immigration laws in the interior.

589 posted on 11/29/2005 3:12:16 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: UCANSEE2
Doesn't this focus on the Mexican Border show RACIAL PREJUDICE? White Canadians are OK, but greasy Mex's aren't?

The majority of illegal aliens are crossing the U.S./Mexican border. That's a solid fact, your attempt at distraction notwithstanding.

When someone is losing an argument, they tend to toss out the race card like a hand grenade. You just lost.

By the way, Einstein, just what specific "race" do you think Mexicans are?

590 posted on 11/29/2005 3:22:17 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: UCANSEE2

Wouldn't your position be stronger if you gave the President the benefit of the doubt? Perhaps he has compassion for his sister in law and her family.

Perhaps he never hired illegal immigrants.

He believes very strongly that no one should stand in the way of liberty. I would like to see immigration differently but I respect his point of view as his.

I respect your opinion as enforcing the rule of law. Does this really require demonization?


591 posted on 11/29/2005 3:30:18 PM PST by saveliberty (I think so, Brain, but a #2 pencil won't write on Fruit-Roll-Ups)
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To: UCANSEE2
This nation became GREAT by taking in the GREATNESS of MANKIND.

Our FOUNDING FATHERS were FRENCH, or RUSSIAN, or INDIAN, or IRISH, or BRITISH, or DANISH, or AFRICAN, or..... So were those who flock to these shores for the promise of a chance to OPENLY COMPETE FOR THE BEST OF LIFE.

As long as foreigners who "flock to these shores for the promise of a chance to OPENLY COMPETE FOR THE BEST OF LIFE" come here legally, I have absolutely no problem with that. But I do have a problem with foreigners who violate our immigration laws by coming to the United States illegally or by staying after their visas have expired.

If you CLOSE the borders, you have a serious financial collapse from various sectors of the involved countries.

When people talk of closing the borders, they're talking about closing the borders to illegal immigration and terrorism. They're not talking about closing the borders to commerce or to people legally crossing back and force.

The men that come across the border and work for contractors (against the law, only because the contractor WHO USUALLY IS AMERICAN, saves money by paying under the table) have to get to the hiring depot and take their chances. They are very orderly and behaved about the process, and show much more civility than AMERICAN women at KMART on the day after THANKSGIVING.

You're dead wrong about this. I have read numerous accounts of "day laborers" harassing women who walk by, of urinating in public, of littering, and of swarming around any vehicle that pulls into the parking lot of the stores that the "day laborers" are standing in front of and frightening the people in the vehicles who are there solely to patronize the stores.

They have the same goals as you and I.

They want to feed their families, and they want to be free some day.

Many Americans had ancestors, long ago, or even recently, who had and pursued those same goals.

Good. Then they can do what my ancestors did by applying from within their home countries to legally immigrate to the United States. There are millions of foreigners around the world right now who have already filed their paperwork and are now patiently waiting for their turn to legally come here.

WE DON"T WANT TO KEEP EVERYONE OUT. JUST THE BAD GUYS.

The vast majority of Americans want to keep out terrorists and illegal aliens.

592 posted on 11/29/2005 3:31:28 PM PST by judgeandjury
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To: UCANSEE2

PS Grammatically it is "whom would you trust more?"


593 posted on 11/29/2005 3:31:54 PM PST by saveliberty (I think so, Brain, but a #2 pencil won't write on Fruit-Roll-Ups)
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To: UCANSEE2
Please explain how he could have done different without violating the structure and laws of our government.

Edjmucate your self by referring to The United States Constitution, Article II, Section 1 and 2....

And for gods sake...he is in violation of his oath and the law in not prosecuting or abating illegal immigration. You have it completely Backwards...

Section 1...

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:--''I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.''

Section 2....

The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States

594 posted on 11/29/2005 3:32:11 PM PST by antaresequity (PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH, PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED)
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To: antaresequity

Don't forget Article IV Section 4.


595 posted on 11/29/2005 3:37:01 PM PST by Spiff ("They start yelling, 'Murderer!' 'Traitor!' They call me by name." - Gael Murphy, Code Pink leader)
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To: UCANSEE2
As has been pointed out in the past, NAME ONE THING ILLEGAL or WRONG President Bush as done.......

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First of all, there is no reason to SHOUT. It doesn't make anyone smarter, just louder.

Secondly, I never wrote a word about Bush doing anything illegal or wrong so I am at a loss to understand why you included that notion in your rant. And his presumed honesty is not the point anyway.

The point is two fold;

1) micro...the illegals deal and whether or not one agrees with it.

2)macro...whether or not one is even allowed to disagree without being labelled a liberal enabler by the bots.

You make no statement regarding your opinion of the first and seem to agree with the bots on the second.

596 posted on 11/29/2005 3:41:24 PM PST by wtc911 (see my profile for how to contribute to a pentagon heroes fund)
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Doesn't this focus on the Mexican Border show RACIAL PREJUDICE? White Canadians are OK, but greasy Mex's aren't?

1. Please put away your Race Card and quit looking foolish.

2. How dare you refer to Mexicans as "greasy Mex's"! You ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting that derogatory comment. Have you always felt this way about Mexicans? You have lost all credibility on this forum by referring to Mexicans in that way.

597 posted on 11/29/2005 3:43:33 PM PST by judgeandjury
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We get a President who follows the law and yet the public wants to blame him for things that have not occurred due to the increase in surveillance and security so far.

Not true.

His "justice" dept. has fined far fewer illegal employers than Clinton. One year they went after 13 - Total.

Congress increased border agents by 2000 and Bush refused to fund them and allowed only 210 instead. He's since been pushed into doing so. The entire stall on the White House part is all here on FR. The surveylance equipment doesn't work. It was a contract by a relative of Homeland securty higher ups(more nepotism and cronyism). Bush has done everything he could to not address the problem.

598 posted on 11/29/2005 3:43:52 PM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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He is just a man who believed what he was taught about God, the law, about civility, about chivalry and courtesy, about refusing to back down from principal and protection of the innocent.

Okay, let's take these in order.

Let's start at the most important one for most of us here at Free Republic. GOD. Reagan used the bully pulpit to push for religious liberty. Constantly, and effectively. GWB FINALLY, after dithering for five years, on his trip to China mentions the issue. An aide hands a list of prisoners of conscience we want released to the Chinese. And absolutely SQUAT happens.

Reagan wouldn't have even GONE to China, unless the list was pre-delivered and he saw results. That is how he did it with the Soviets. No releases. No conference. Reagan always went over the head of the MSM media filter, to use the National Prayer Breakfasts to make really important foreign policy speeches. GWB hasn't done ONE there. He is a joke with regard to his purported faith. He is doing a really good job of doing his alms in secret. But he is spending OUR money very much in public. And trying to take credit for it just like the liberals. If Reagan had witnessed the Blow-Off that Chi-Comms are doing, arresting home churches willy-nilly, persecuting to death many, I frankly think there would have NEVER been a grant of MFN to China on his watch, and there would even now be a massive U.S.-orchestrated effort to "take 'em out". Reagan had the guts to tell the Soviets "Nyet." to their demands. GWB simply ran away with his tail between his legs. He is letting Beijing have virtually every thing they demand. Continued MFN. Free reign to steal our intellectual property. And even the "Three No's" on Taiwan. Continued 100,000 Chi-Comm spies on our shores.

As for the LAW. GWB should know under the oathe of office, that no man is supposed to be above the law. We are expressly a nation of laws, not of men. Instead he has gone way out of his way to abet covering up the criminal conduct, and arrogance of power, of his predecessor. From John Huang, to Sandy the Hamburglar (with stuffed socks) to Able Danger. No prosecution of Hitlery for her campaign violations, or theft of the White House silverware.

All to the effect that the Presidents are above the law. I've got news for GWB and Cheney. No amount of sucking up to Xlinton will help restore respect for law, but it will do precisely the opposite. Nor will it guarantee that the democrats won't come after you when Madam Hitlery is in power after you. There is no honor among these particular thieves.

About Civility, chivalry courtesy. Is that what you call GWB's consciously DISREGARDING our own LAWS, and sovereignty?

About "refusing to back down from principal and protecting the innocent." The principals he is espousing trash the innocent American. He DEFAMES (LIES) about the Minutemen. So much for civility and courtesy. What else does he cavalierly lie about? So there is no virtue in his not backing down from such principles. The duplicitous deals with Fox. And implementing the CFR globalist agendas, step by step, against our nation. Sovereignty is the ultimate protection for the innocent. Its destruction, debases the Constitution, and renders it impotent.

You have swallowed the hogwash from the BushBots whole...and you should have known better...

GWB is in fact doing some good things, trying to reign in the CIA, but he didn't do this until his administration was "stung" by a CIA operation to entangle him in "WMD-Gate"...Joe Wilson, Valerie Pflame, and the 16 words. Whose bright idea was it to disavow those 16 words right away....George Tenet (Xlinton-appointed holdover) who "apologized" for them....when they were RIGHT?!

His failures to clean house have cost him dearly. Note the CONTINUED complete failure to clean house at the State Dept.

Finally, I note that you continue to mislead yourself, when you confuse closing a dangerously porous border, from illegal entry, with your RED HERRING issue of a complete shutoff in immigration...or of commerce. That is so "out there" I don't think it needs any further commentary, as it self-evidently a falsehood by you.

599 posted on 11/29/2005 3:45:31 PM PST by Paul Ross ("The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the govt and I'm here to help)
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To: Spiff; UCANSEE2
Gee...lets try and figure this out...this must be rocket science...

Article IV Section 4

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence

600 posted on 11/29/2005 3:46:12 PM PST by antaresequity (PUSH 1 FOR ENGLISH, PUSH 2 TO BE DEPORTED)
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