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Bush’s Bait - The president on immigration.
National Review Online ^ | November 29, 2005 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 11/30/2005 3:00:33 AM PST by dennisw

The late Democratic Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan called it "boob bait for bubba" — tough-sounding rhetoric designed to placate conservative voters. Moynihan applied the phrase to Bill Clinton's 1992 pledge to "end welfare as we know it," which it later became clear that he had no intention of following through on when he became president (eventually, Republicans pressured him into it). President Bush is offering his own "boob bait" in the form of speechifying at the border about a crackdown on illegal immigration.

It's not that Bush doesn't intend to use better technology to police the border and end the "catch and release" policy that waves illegals into the country, as he is now saying. But these steps are primarily meant to diminish opposition to a new guest-worker program and what would effectively be an amnesty for illegal aliens. It's a crackdown as prelude to a letup; in other words, Rove bait for red-staters.

A Republican close to the White House has told Time how Bush wants to lull his conservative supporters into swallowing some sort of amnesty and a guest-worker program, i.e., a "comprehensive" approach: "Bush decided to give these guys their rhetorical pound of flesh. In return, he wants a comprehensive bill, which is what he has always wanted. He's just going to lead with a lot of noise about border security."

The idea is that the House, where conservatives have the most sway, will pass a bill with new enforcement measures, only to see the Senate pass a different bill with an amnesty and guest-worker program, which will be shoved down the throats of the House on a take-it-or-leave-it basis. Supporters of tougher enforcement will have gotten their "noise," and Bush and the business lobby will have gotten their policy. Unfortunately for this strategy, conservatives aren't nearly as stupid as the White House political shop apparently thinks they are.

If the policy debate plays out the way the White House wants, we will have another iteration of a bizarre dynamic of American politics. Every time there is agitation about out-of-control levels of immigration, Washington acts — to preserve or increase current levels of immigration. As Mark Krikorian of the Center for Immigration Studies notes, this is what happened in 1986, 1990, and 1996. The White House and the Senate want 2006 to be Act IV in the farce. Senator Arlen Specter's version of "reform" doubles legal immigration.

The enforcement measures Bush is advocating are welcome and he finally seems to get the public's dismay about the lawlessness of our immigration system. But the border itself is in some ways beside the point. We can put as many agents as the Minutemen could possibly want on the border and still have an illegal-immigration problem. Forty percent of illegals overstay their visas, meaning the border isn't an issue for them. Bush and fellow supporters of a guest-worker program are right about one thing: As long as there are jobs here for illegals, they will come.

The only way to address that is through interior enforcement, which Bush made a nod toward yesterday. The natural place to start is enforcing laws already on the books. Rosemary Jenks of the group NumbersUSA has compiled a partial list of currently unenforced laws that runs to four pages. The Social Security Administration and the Internal Revenue Service have it within their power to inform employers when they have hired illegal workers, but don't. In 2002, the Social Security Administration sent out roughly a million "no match" letters to employers telling them workers had bogus or duplicate Social Security numbers, but business groups complained and the practice stopped.

Supporters of amnesty always ask the rhetorical question: "What are you going to do with the 11 million illegal immigrants already here — deport them all?" That is obviously impractical, but requiring employers to verify that their workers are legal would prompt many illegals to leave voluntarily and staunch the flow of new arrivals. Only after our immigration system is under better control should we discuss Bush's proposed guest-worker program and any kind of amnesty for those illegals who are entrenched in our society. Until then, don't take Bush's bait.


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KEYWORDS: 2006; aliens; bush43; immigrantlist; immigrationplan; lowry
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1 posted on 11/30/2005 3:00:34 AM PST by dennisw
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To: dennisw

Israel has proven that border fences can be effective. The open borders lobby should stop lying about them

Israel's multiple fence, border fence system. This fence is designed to succeed!! Sensors, surveillance cameras, lots of barbed wire, ditches to stop vehicles from ramming through it, paved access roads for fast armed response etc etc.

 

israel wall



2 posted on 11/30/2005 3:02:00 AM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw

That is exactly what our Texacano-Washingtonio El Presidente Jorge Arbusto's proposal amounts to ~ bait!


3 posted on 11/30/2005 3:10:52 AM PST by OrangeBlossomSpecial (The RATS followed the lazy tune of the pied-piper's flute and were never seen again.)
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To: dennisw

For a long time I bought the "they do work others will not do" line. Then my kids became teenagers looking for work.

There is not much to be found. Mexicans do it cheaper, for cash, no benefits. Why hire a teenaged kid?

Construction? Yeah, right. Unless they are willing to stand on the main streets in what I call our barrios, forget it. No teenaged American need apply.

Landscaping? Not

Stockboy at the grocery store? Not

They drive down the wages in larger businesses.

We educate illegals.
We provide free medical care.
If needed, we feed them.

Unless we order in numbers, 9 times out of 10 "I'll have an Egg McMuffin" can mean anything from A Sausage Biscuit to a Quarter Pounder with Cheese.

And I am pissed to no end when faced with the reality that our government overlooks the fact that they are here because they broke the law. You know, I know, we all damned well know the government does not look the other way when applying the law to citizens.

Whatever happened to equal protection under the law?


4 posted on 11/30/2005 3:20:56 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights (GOP, The Other France)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
As soon as they make the money, its on the wire to Mexico City. A union carpenter may charge more, but he spends the money in town and the hospital district doesn't treat his kids as charity cases.

Plus, it's done right.

5 posted on 11/30/2005 3:35:40 AM PST by akron
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To: dennisw

Many of these illegals congregate every day all across the country to get work. And everyday local contractors come around to pick them up. Why not start taking names of contractors off their trucks or license plates. This would be followed up with a warning letter containing a copy of the law and informining them their hiring of potential illegals has been noted.?


6 posted on 11/30/2005 3:37:11 AM PST by rpellegrini
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To: dennisw
Unfortunately for this strategy, conservatives aren't nearly as stupid as the White House political shop apparently thinks they are.

Clinton and the DemocRats think we're stupid, too. Not a good place for the White House. We're all over this.

7 posted on 11/30/2005 3:38:43 AM PST by manwiththehands (Democrats and the MSM: lies and hypocrisy on steroids)
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To: rpellegrini

Hey, now - Hey now! I rely on those people to clear my yard and other valuable services. Don't be sending me any warning letters!


8 posted on 11/30/2005 3:41:57 AM PST by BagelFace (BOOGA-BOOGA-BOOGA-BOOGA)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

I know what you mean. It's circular reasoning, to say the least, to use illegals to depress wages and then justify it by saying no American will do the work (for such depressed wages).

In a sense, I don't blame the illegals for taking advantage of us like this - we (the government) do (does) pretty much everything we can to invite them and make things comfortable for them. they'd be stupid if they did not take us for the chumps we are.

The Republicans are largely tone-deaf on this and they, and we, will end up paying the price.


9 posted on 11/30/2005 4:00:07 AM PST by cvq3842
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To: dennisw; Lobbyist
It's not that Bush doesn't intend to use better technology to police the border and end the "catch and release" policy that waves illegals into the country, as he is now saying. But these steps are primarily meant to diminish opposition to a new guest-worker program and what would effectively be an amnesty for illegal aliens. It's a crackdown as prelude to a letup; in other words, Rove bait for red-staters.

It was obvious to me when Bush talked about using better technology to police the border that was his way of saying, "I'm not going to put up a fence."
10 posted on 11/30/2005 4:02:37 AM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: dennisw
I love how Lowry is now using another anymonous source from Time magazine to bolster his article.

Looks like Lowry is the one taking the boob bait, hook, line, and sinker.

11 posted on 11/30/2005 4:09:50 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Any teenage kid can find a job, the problem these days is getting that teenager away from the X-Box.


12 posted on 11/30/2005 4:13:11 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: cvq3842
You know I'm enraged by the illegals, but even so I'm also enraged by what our government is doing for the legals. I'm a white American born citizen, my father served in our countries military for 23 years, and yet I find it almost impossible to find a grant, or loan to start a small business. People come here from another country, and the government throws money at them, "here start your business." and then to further ensure success, no taxes for their first 7 years as citizens? I'm appalled, it seams to me more lucrative to immigrate to America than to be an American born, law abiding, contributing member of our society.
13 posted on 11/30/2005 4:13:48 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: dennisw
A Republican close to the White House has told Time how Bush wants to lull his conservative supporters into swallowing some sort of amnesty and a guest-worker program, i.e., a "comprehensive" approach: "Bush decided to give these guys their rhetorical pound of flesh. In return, he wants a comprehensive bill, which is what he has always wanted. He's just going to lead with a lot of noise about border security."

Hmm, there is the anynomous source, like I said Lowry is taking the boob bait from Time.

It's so funny watching you guys take the boob bait from Time and get played like a violin by Time magazine, over and over and over and over again.

14 posted on 11/30/2005 4:16:13 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: dennisw
Unfortunately for this strategy, conservatives aren't nearly as stupid as the White House political shop apparently thinks they are.
On this issue, the WH is the MSM and the conservatives are the bloggers.
15 posted on 11/30/2005 4:17:17 AM PST by samtheman
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To: dennisw

As soon as a terrorist attack is carried out in this country by someone who snuck over the border, the Bush Administration will be finished.

In regards to the increasing lawlessness in northern Mexico that is spilling over into our country (think Pancho Villa), we need to let Mexico that either they put an end to it or the US Army will (think General "Blackjack" Pershing).


16 posted on 11/30/2005 4:21:31 AM PST by bobjam
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To: whispering out loud
You know I'm enraged by the illegals, but even so I'm also enraged by what our government is doing for the legals. I'm a white American born citizen, my father served in our countries military for 23 years, and yet I find it almost impossible to find a grant, or loan to start a small business. People come here from another country, and the government throws money at them, "here start your business." and then to further ensure success, no taxes for their first 7 years as citizens? I'm appalled, it seams to me more lucrative to immigrate to America than to be an American born, law abiding, contributing member of our society

Do you have a source for that, and I don't believe your claim of no taxes for 7 years and also that you are being shut out because you are a citizen.

17 posted on 11/30/2005 4:21:38 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: GarySpFc

I guess that you missed the part where the President said that in some places fences and walls would work better?

LLS


18 posted on 11/30/2005 4:25:35 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: bobjam
As soon as a terrorist attack is carried out in this country by someone who snuck over the border, the Bush Administration will be finished.

Sounds like you are hoping for one. If anything people should be concerned of the northern border where there is a Canadian govt, 100 times more anti-American than the avg. Mexican, welcomes and appeases the islampfascists with open arms, gives them generous welfare benefits and they blend into the large muslim communites in cities close to the border such as Toronto, Montreal, and Vancouver.

19 posted on 11/30/2005 4:26:36 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: dennisw
Everyone's so pissed at Bush that they forget that the problem was growing for at least 30 years. There is no easy nip-it-in-the-bud solution that won't also cause much human suffering. Instead of accepting a gradual rectification of the problem, everyone howls that it must be absolutely fixed now.

Sounds like the same all-or-none mentality that the "liberals" have made themselves so obnoxious with.

20 posted on 11/30/2005 4:26:45 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Dane
my source for "no taxes for 7 years" was from two different families, "both Patels" one owning a dairy queen, and a subway, and the other owning two hotels, and they both cited to me that they had no taxes for their first seven years. As for me I searched for weeks, on line and off, looking for a grant, or loan, just something to help me get started, "not asking for free money, I was even willing to pay it back", But all I found was grants for, "minorities", and or "special groups", I found nothing, that a white American male. If you have a source, then I would love to hear it, and I will admit my folly. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, I just need to see proof of it.
21 posted on 11/30/2005 4:31:19 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Bush has no intention of stopping the flow of illegal aliens, because he is using it to boost the economy.


22 posted on 11/30/2005 4:36:02 AM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: whispering out loud

I have been a multiple lines insurance agent for 36 years, and I know how the Patels are starting business like convience stores, gas stations, etc. The are coming with large amounts of money. You can get an immigrants visa to enter the country if you have a large amount of money ($1,000,000) to invest, and you use it to create jobs. I know of no way immigrants can avoid paying taxes for 7 years.


23 posted on 11/30/2005 4:44:12 AM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: dennisw
How can el Presidente give a speech about the border enforcement and not mention the word

WALL

one time. UFB.

I guess the "w" word is considered a four letter word by this admin.

24 posted on 11/30/2005 4:46:12 AM PST by austinite
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To: dennisw

I know this is going to get me flamed, but have you guys seen the WAY the Mexicans work? Generally, from my observation, they have a work ethic that is unimpeachable. I think it's still possible for a hard working teen to get a job in fast food, etc., but as soon as he starts complaining about coming in early or needing time off to go to Spring Break, Pedro, with his 4 kids to feed, will be right there. Everyday. All day.

Look, I don't have a solution. But we have to face the fact that the values of some American workers add to this perfect storm of cheap labor, Mexican poverty, and porous borders.


25 posted on 11/30/2005 4:48:31 AM PST by ktvaughn
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To: GarySpFc
Thank you for the insiders view, this still doesn't help me feel any better about finding grants, and loan programs for everyone accept white American males.
26 posted on 11/30/2005 4:49:15 AM PST by whispering out loud (the bible is either 100% true, or in it's very nature it is 100% a lie)
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To: akron; Protect the Bill of Rights

Amen brother's! Now why can't House, Senate, and our President see this?

We can't fight them and they will win and get their way and we tax payers will have to pay and pay and pay, while the politicians enjoy their salaries and their benefits etc. and the illegals enjoy the "American dream".


27 posted on 11/30/2005 4:53:16 AM PST by stopem (Get yourTexas Trash.( on my homepage.))
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To: whispering out loud

You shouldn't have trouble finding a loan if you have enough collateral to put down to start your business. Remember, very few new business are successful, and the banks are well aware of that. If you are trying to borrow 90 or 100% of needed capital you will be searching for the next 50 years.


28 posted on 11/30/2005 4:53:31 AM PST by GarySpFc (De Oppresso Liber)
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To: dennisw

Tammy Bruce had a great line, "Bush's plan is the Harriet Miers Immigration policy and we have to correct him on this, too."


29 posted on 11/30/2005 4:53:41 AM PST by Nephi (Illegal immigration is the flip side of the globalist free trade coin.)
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To: Dane

I am certainly not hoping for one; only warning what would happen if one happened.

As far as the Canadian border goes, if Ottawa refuses to tighten security up there, then we should treat that border no different than the one with Mexico.

It should be noted however, that the 911 hijackers all entered this country legally and then disappeared. This underscores the fact that an effective immigration policy must deal with the "backfield" as well as the front line.


30 posted on 11/30/2005 4:55:02 AM PST by bobjam
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To: Dane

Some of us don't need an anonymous source to tell us what is obvious to anyone with half a brain.


31 posted on 11/30/2005 4:56:26 AM PST by Nephi (Illegal immigration is the flip side of the globalist free trade coin.)
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To: dennisw

Last I knew a person could emigrate from America, but I suppose in the globalist radical's limited imagination that is a scenarion best not thought of.


32 posted on 11/30/2005 4:57:05 AM PST by junta (It's Jihad stupid! Or why should I tolerate those who hate me?)
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To: rpellegrini

That's what the Minute Men are doing and they're catching a lot of grief for it.


33 posted on 11/30/2005 5:01:52 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: dennisw

Insincerity in the President's position, if indeed he is trying to placate his base rather than close the borders will result in him ending up right where the Dimocrats want him.


34 posted on 11/30/2005 5:02:40 AM PST by hgro (A)
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To: dennisw
Really helps advance the Conservative Agenda NRO when you spend 100% of the time shooting at your own side. Gee NOT a word about the COMPLETE lack of ANY plan on the Democrats side. No ideas about what should be done. Just whine 100% of the time. And NRO wonders why the Conservative Agenda is stuck in neutral and the RINOS rule the Congressional roosts? How about an article taking the Demos to tasks for the continual lies about Iraq? How about taking the Congressional RINOS to task for their betrayal of the Consevative Agenda? How about HELPING Bush get the Message out about the Cost of failure in Iraq? Nope, just week in week out a daily whine at our side.

It does us NO good when our side spends all it's time doing the Democrat Party's PR work for them. QUIT whining. Frankly the "Conservative" pundits seem stuck on stupid. They are so busy acting as the Dinasour Media's echo chamber that they no longer are on our side. Nice work guys. Way to gut any hope of getting ANY thing done.

35 posted on 11/30/2005 5:10:00 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Sen John McCain is not only wrong, he is dangerous to your Rights)
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To: ktvaughn
I know this is going to get me flamed, but have you guys seen the WAY the Mexicans work?

Yes. Their quality doesn't come close to lazy-ass white boys. I hired a crew of them from an employment agency - I had to watch them like a hawk. They are there ready to work right on time and ready to leave right on time, too. They also don't like to take time off on silly holidays like July fourth.

I've also been in two-bedroom apartments that they've divided with make-shift walls, built bunk beds and sleep in the living room housing 6-8 people. That is how they are able to take jobs that "Americans won't do." Illegals are lowering our standard of living, corrupting our political system, corrupting our culture, destroying our healthcare system, and milking the welfare state.

Americans have proved that if we were the ones who had to sneak into a country to provide for our families we would've had a revolution a long time ago.

Illegals would rather sneak than fight for economic justice.

36 posted on 11/30/2005 5:10:22 AM PST by Nephi (Illegal immigration is the flip side of the globalist free trade coin. Bush is being consistant.)
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To: MNJohnnie

I bet you defended the Harriet Miers nomination, too.


37 posted on 11/30/2005 5:18:04 AM PST by Nephi (Illegal immigration is the flip side of the globalist free trade coin. Bush is being consistant.)
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To: Nephi
That is how they are able to take jobs that "Americans won't do." Illegals are lowering our standard of living, corrupting our political system, corrupting our culture, destroying our healthcare system, and milking the welfare state

So by your last terms, "milking the welfare state" means, I surmise, you are for the welfare state.

BTW, how come no mention of the people really messing up the American healthcare system, the trial lawyers.

38 posted on 11/30/2005 5:58:10 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: GarySpFc
Bush has no intention of stopping the flow of illegal aliens, because he is using it to boost the economy.

at the expense of the middle class taxpayer.

39 posted on 11/30/2005 5:59:27 AM PST by austinite
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To: MNJohnnie
It does us NO good when our side spends all it's time doing the Democrat Party's PR work for them.

Exactly, Bush makes a start in driving the debate to finally to get this mess under control, which includes no amnesty(amnesty would be full citizenship) and some on FR just complain.

Senators Kyl and Cornyn(two good conservative Senators) have proposed a good reform, but some on FR just seem stuck on that it's all a globalist conspiracy.

40 posted on 11/30/2005 6:02:54 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

He's a troll. He's lasted longer 'n most, though.

whispering out loud
Since Nov 22, 2005


41 posted on 11/30/2005 6:03:00 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: austinite
at the expense of the middle class taxpayer

Huh President Bush wants to cut taxes for the middle class(actually everybody).

It is the democrats who wish to stick it to the middle class taxpayer.

42 posted on 11/30/2005 6:04:45 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

It's all a globalist conspiracy.


43 posted on 11/30/2005 6:05:13 AM PST by The Toll
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To: Dane

There will be no middle class in the globalist future. Just those of us outside the walls waiting for Dane to deliver the soilent green.


44 posted on 11/30/2005 6:08:19 AM PST by The Toll
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To: Dane


President Bush has busted the budget, and left a huge mess for my children to repair. It will get very ugly.


45 posted on 11/30/2005 6:13:33 AM PST by austinite
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To: austinite
President Bush has busted the budget, and left a huge mess for my children to repair. It will get very ugly

Huh the deficit is less than per % GDP than Reagan's time and you are right your children are going to have a huge mess to repair with social security, that ponzi scheme is going broke, and it is the democrats who are blocking any reform.

46 posted on 11/30/2005 6:17:30 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: austinite

Yup. But it's of no consequence to the Bushbots.


47 posted on 11/30/2005 6:17:46 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: The Toll
There will be no middle class in the globalist future. Just those of us outside the walls waiting for Dane to deliver the soilent green

Actually wasn't the movie Soylent Green set in the year 2005. Huh, there aren't food riots, actaully obesity is now the problem.

48 posted on 11/30/2005 6:19:40 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: dennisw

His "proposal" is Bush-it.

It's the same pig with a different shade of the same color lipstick.


49 posted on 11/30/2005 6:21:30 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Dane

drink much kool-aid?


50 posted on 11/30/2005 6:23:25 AM PST by austinite
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