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NIGERGATE: FBI TO CONDUCT IN DEPTH INVESTIGATION.
12/03/2005

Posted on 12/03/2005 1:17:55 PM PST by parnasokan

NIGERGATE: FBI TO CONDUCT IN DEPTH INVESTIGATIONS. VARIOUS NATIONALITIES, INCLUDING AMERICANS, INVOLVED IN THE SCANDAL, RESULTS EXPECTED VERY SOON.

INCREDIBLE, the FBI is opening a new front in the Nigergate affair. Thanks to the efforts of Free Republic the Niger-gate affair is at last heading in the right direction. As reported in the Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-niger3dec03,0,4700538.story?coll=la-home-headlines), albeit in their ‘own way’, the FBI has decided to continue its investigations into the false documents that lie at the heart of the affair. The FBI will continue its investigation working alongside the Italian SISMI, the results, according to qualified sources, will not be long in the coming. The investigation will concentrate on two aspects of the affair: 1) identifying who is behind the forgeries and what their motives were and 2) who in a second moment attempted to gain from the affair. An Italian news agency quoted a qualified intelligence source as saying “The investigations are also aimed at asserting who, and for what reasons, tried to accredit the responsibility to the Italian authorities and through this damage the institutions”. This is fantastic, what the official is saying is that the members of the media (and we know who they mean) who took part in the crusade aimed at damaging Italy’s security apparatus and thus it’s government and thus the security of an allied nation are going to be ‘named and shamed’. Are we about to see a few new indictments? What we will definitely see are a lot less smiles in certain circles.

The news wires are reporting that the pressure applied by a group of Senators, including John Rockefeller, has induced the FBI to further investigate the matter. Initially the FBI concluded that the forgeries were simply the work of a trickster who wanted to make some fast cash, now they are going to go all the way down the line. This is going to be interesting, what’s being said is that initially there was very little suspicion of political manoeuvring, the FBI are now doing a rethink and are examining exactly this: what is the REAL STORY behind the long and drawn out affair. Who stood to gain, who tried to manipulate through lies, falsities, insinuations and outright untruths. Put in simple terms the FBI are now looking at the affair as an attempt to influence American foreign policy and an attempt to create internal damage.

It gets better: according to media reports the FBI is concentrating on a line that places numerous individuals, including US citizens, in relation to the affair surrounding the forgeries. So the FBI concluded some time back that the Italian SISMI had nothing to do with the forgeries and is now examining an internal front. This is news. Shame on the lie mongers who tried, and are still trying, to place the blame on one the principal allies of the US. The FBI have asked for help from the Italians so the days of malicious lies and deceit from certain blogs and certain MSM are over. Finished. Well almost, the FBI will be asking some folks a lot of questions, why they disseminated lies, why they pointed fingers and why, above all, did they try to damage a key allied government and their own administration.

Free Republic has played an important role in all of this, we should be satisfied that by helping the truth to emerge (the REAL truth, not the invented truths of the liars) the FBI has opened a new and crucial front into the entire affair. All of this should make us PROUD. We were the first to say that SISMI was innocent, that Rocco Martino was working for Paris and that bloggers, journalists and ‘associates’ were spreading lies. We were the first to open the ‘French Connection’ and the first to look at it in detail (see most recent postings). By its actions and through its decisions the FBI has proved us all correct. This is a triumph for the truth, I fear that those who were saying the same thing about their own actions are going to have to eat their words.

Lets keep posting. Interesting times indeed.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: cialeak; italy; niger; probe; usa
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1 posted on 12/03/2005 1:17:55 PM PST by parnasokan
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To: parnasokan

Freepers have done better work researching this than the FBI has!


2 posted on 12/03/2005 1:20:32 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: parnasokan

bump


3 posted on 12/03/2005 1:21:49 PM PST by Cautor
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To: parnasokan

Links?


4 posted on 12/03/2005 1:28:01 PM PST by Balata
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To: parnasokan
The news wires are reporting that the pressure applied by a group of Senators, including John Rockefeller, has induced the FBI to further investigate the matter

Rockefeller asked?

5 posted on 12/03/2005 1:29:44 PM PST by McGavin999 (Reporters write the truth, Journalists write stories.)
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To: McGavin999

Rockefeller asked?

He made sure the issue wasn't discussed during the Senate investigation of pre war intelligence due to the ongoing FBI investigation.

Anybody know why the investigation was dropped. Wonder if Rockefeller was just buying time?


6 posted on 12/03/2005 1:32:52 PM PST by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: parnasokan
It's about time....looks like this will show the Wilsons' and the CIA were working to take down the Bush Administration will be exposed....finally.

However, I find it curious John Rockefeller is in on getting this investigation going. Does he think Cheney is part of it? Which is what's been flying around the net. He'll find a totally different set of circumstances. Which will blow the lid off many on the left, IMHO.

7 posted on 12/03/2005 1:33:07 PM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Peach

As I've mentioned before, Jerky Springer said that Rove and Cheney are the forgers. I actually listened to his show for about 5 minutes one day. What a jerk!


8 posted on 12/03/2005 1:38:48 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: shield

Rockerfeller is hiding in plain sight, like a fox mingling with the Beagle pack at a hunt


9 posted on 12/03/2005 1:40:30 PM PST by Wil H
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To: McGavin999

I wouldn't trust Rockefeller if my life depended on it.


10 posted on 12/03/2005 1:50:37 PM PST by Patriotic Bostonian
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To: parnasokan
"...Wilsons' and the CIA were working to take down the Bush Administration..."

The Wilsons and the CIA will soon find out they have violated the first rule of a coup. And of course, the first rule of a coup is that you must kill the King, because if you fail, your a$$ is grass and the King has the lawn mower.

11 posted on 12/03/2005 1:51:22 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Wil H

You bet he is. Rockefeller is an American enemy, IMHO. He and all the left are trying as hard as hell to find something anything to try an impeach Bush. If this is all they've got...what a joke.


12 posted on 12/03/2005 1:51:26 PM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: parnasokan

Do you really think Free Republic had anything to do with spurring the FBI to action?


13 posted on 12/03/2005 1:52:37 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Jerky Springer said that Rove and Cheney are the forgers

Michael Ledeen is suppose to be the one who forged those docs for Cheney. Which is an absolute pile of crapola.

14 posted on 12/03/2005 1:54:37 PM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: parnasokan

It is also time to do an investigation regarding the CIA and Wilson Plame.


15 posted on 12/03/2005 1:56:45 PM PST by stocksthatgoup (Polls = Proof that when the MSM want your opinion it will give it to you.)
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To: Peach
Peach wrote: Freepers have done better work researching this than the FBI has!

Oh come on now, really!

16 posted on 12/03/2005 1:57:28 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: Peach

Where do you think the Fuds get all they're good leads...LOL


17 posted on 12/03/2005 2:07:37 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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To: parnasokan

Well...the FBI recently closed the books on a 20 year old mob hit in Chicago. (Yawn).


18 posted on 12/03/2005 2:17:13 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Patriotic Bostonian

Sh*t, I wouldn't trust him if my dinner depended on it ... or my next bowel movement


19 posted on 12/03/2005 2:27:00 PM PST by tarzantheapeman (Support our troops ... call out the dems for what they are: lying traitors)
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To: quidnunc

Those findings concerned some members of the Senate Intelligence Committee after published reports that the FBI had not interviewed a former Italian spy named Rocco Martino, who was identified as the original source of the documents. The committee had requested the initial investigation.

Freepers have known about little Rocco for months. And the FBI never even interviewed him? Useless. Utterly useless.


20 posted on 12/03/2005 2:34:49 PM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: parnasokan

I don't know what this is linked to, but there have been a lot of other articles in the Italian press blaming French intelligence and the CIA. I'm sure the Italians would like to put the blame where it belongs and get it off their own backs where the French have been trying to put it.

The problem is, Bush has shown zero desire to look into any of these crimes.

Clinton corrupted the FBI as well as the CIA. Under Mueller, nothing has been done to fix the FBI problems. In fact Mueller has rewarded the clintonoids and promoted them. We have seen in several recent cases that it's the same old clintonoid FBI which refuses to investigate the Oklahoma terrorists or yesterday's missile firing at an airliner.

So how likely is it that they will report back with the truth, since they don't seem to want to know the truth? It's the same clintonoid see no evil, hear no evil. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but this pattern has been consistent for the past five years.

(from the duplicate thread)


21 posted on 12/03/2005 2:36:15 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: parnasokan
...despite a broader request from Rockefeller that the FBI look into whether the forgeries reflected a "larger deception campaign aimed at manipulating public opinion and foreign policy regarding Iraq."

If it is Rockefeller that is pushing for the investigation to be re-opened, I smell a rat.

Be alert to set-ups and plants...

22 posted on 12/03/2005 2:41:00 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: Peach
Peach wrote: Freepers have known about little Rocco for months. And the FBI never even interviewed him? Useless. Utterly useless.

Oh, for Heaven's sake, get a grip!

23 posted on 12/03/2005 2:48:06 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: parnasokan
The news wires are reporting that the pressure applied by a group of Senators, including John Rockefeller, has induced the FBI to further investigate the matter.

Why would Rockefeller want the truth to come out?

24 posted on 12/03/2005 2:53:51 PM PST by alnick
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To: okie01
If it is Rockefeller that is pushing for the investigation to be re-opened, I smell a rat. Be alert to set-ups and plants...

You are absolutely right. I'm suspicious as hell based on Rockefeller's involvement.

25 posted on 12/03/2005 2:57:08 PM PST by alnick
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To: alnick

Hasn't it been Rockefeller who met with Fitz trying like hell to get others in the WH? So if he's part of this...it smells to high heaven. Looks like Rockefeller is down going down another avenue, trying like hell to find some way to deep six this WH.


26 posted on 12/03/2005 3:12:01 PM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: shield

Of the documents passed on from the Niger Embassy in Rome, only three were fakes. And they were such bad fakes, no competent group of spooks could have made them.


27 posted on 12/03/2005 3:13:56 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

OK...so Michael Ledeen (through Cheney's office) would have never made any docs so poorly forged...LOL...the moonbats have this running far and wide throughout moonbat land...


28 posted on 12/03/2005 3:18:33 PM PST by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: quidnunc

Actually, Quid, I'm inclined to believe that some Freepers could do a better job of investigating myself.


29 posted on 12/03/2005 3:19:29 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: parnasokan

In depth cover up, more likely.


30 posted on 12/03/2005 3:20:05 PM PST by airborne (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't!)
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To: shield

Exactly. If someone was going to create a fake story about uranium sales that had a chance of sticking, you'd think they'd do a better job than coming up with documents that have the wrong signatures on them.


31 posted on 12/03/2005 3:25:22 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: stocksthatgoup

"It is also time to do an investigation regarding the CIA and Wilson Plame."

Long overdue.



32 posted on 12/03/2005 3:59:53 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly
popdonnelly wrote: Actually, Quid, I'm inclined to believe that some Freepers could do a better job of investigating myself.

Spoken like somebody who's never seen the FBI inaction.

They don't always get everything right, but if you had to choose one police agency anywhere in the world to get to the truth in an important case it would have ot be the FBI.

33 posted on 12/03/2005 4:00:07 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: popdonnelly
In my Reply #33 above I should have written:

"Spoken like somebody who's never seen the FBI in action."

34 posted on 12/03/2005 4:02:49 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc
Oh, for Heaven's sake, get a grip!

You said that twice...once wasn't enough for your condescending, never-ending contrariant self? Every post of yours is a rebuke. I don't believe I have ever seen you--in my 7 years-- post something positive or enlightening.

35 posted on 12/03/2005 4:10:17 PM PST by Grenada
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To: quidnunc

I get your point, but I liked number 33 better. ;)


36 posted on 12/03/2005 4:10:26 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: popdonnelly

Of the documents passed on from the Niger Embassy in Rome, only three were fakes. And they were such bad fakes, no competent group of spooks could have made them.

But would they pass the CBS /MSM authentication tests?


37 posted on 12/03/2005 4:10:38 PM PST by rolling_stone (Question Authority!)
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To: rolling_stone

Remember, it's not whether they're authentic, it's the seriousness of the charge.


38 posted on 12/03/2005 4:14:39 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: parnasokan

bookmark.


39 posted on 12/03/2005 5:27:03 PM PST by Alia
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To: popdonnelly

The interesting question is how did Joe Wilson know about them before they were in the custody of the US State Dept???????????


40 posted on 12/03/2005 5:57:49 PM PST by Wristpin ( Varitek says to A-Rod: "We don't throw at .260 hitters.....")
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To: quidnunc
No...YOU get a grip on the story and then maybe you'll know just WTH you are talking about. Fedora's research can be found at the link below:

Wilsongate: Motive, Means, and Opportunity

My theory (which is actually dated now, but still in play):

My theory (#42)is that this was a collaborative effort by the French and CIA coordinated by Wilson. Jacqueline, (Joe's his second wife), was a French diplomat and may have provided the connections for Wilson to see the forged documents that were supplied by the French through the Italians. In other words it is possible that Wilson knew that the docs were forged because he was privy to the information that French wanted to discredit the British info on Saddam shopping for yellowcake and that Wilson's objective was the same. The French just happen to manage the yellowcake production in Niger.

Therefore, Wilson did not lie when he said he saw the documents.

Per a thread by Fedora:

French intelligence soon began a campaign to discredit the US case for war against Iraq. In 1999, French intelligence had begun investigating the security of uranium supplies in Niger, where uranium production was controlled by a consortium led by the French mining company COGEMA, a division of the French state-owned nuclear energy firm AREVA. At that time, Italian businessman Rocco Martino provided French intelligence with genuine documents revealing that Iraq was planning to expand trade with Niger. French intelligence took an interest in the documents and asked Martino to provide more information. In 2000 he used a contact in the Niger embassy in Rome to provide French intelligence with documents purporting that Iraq had purchased uranium from Niger. These documents were later exposed as forgeries;

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Since it is now also known that French intelligence was trying to push Martino’s forgeries on US and British intelligence, as simultaneously the Democratic National Committee was planning to discredit President Bush’s Iraq policy by accusing his administration of manufacturing evidence against Hussein’s regime, heightened suspicion is cast on Wilson’s use of the Niger investigation to discredit the Bush administration’s case for war.

What Wilson Didn’t Say About Africa

Also, Rocco only "procured" the documents, he did not forge them. Fitzgerald went to Italy to investigate the Niger Embassy (in Rome) burglary...where the letterhead and seals for the forgeries were stolen. Ex-CIA agent (and coincidentally, an advisor to the Vatican in Rome),Vincent Cannistraro has stated that Alan Wolf and Duane Clarridge were the actual forgers, but his account is the only one available that I can find on the subject. He has also pointed the finger at Michael Ledeen, but Ledeen has publicly made a statement that he had nothing to do with it and demanded an apology from Cannistraro.

In addition, despite what the MSM is reporting, the Italians released a press report yesterday saying they had nothing to do with the forgeries:

Italy denies role in fake documents on Iraq

This was also backed up by Rocco here

Cannistraro's "theory" falls apart when you consider that he:

1) blamed SISME (the Italians), which has proven to be wrong

2) bases his assumptions on a Dec 2001 Ledeen meeting, when Cannistraro himself was in Rome in Nov 2001, which would make him just as suspect.

I also discovered that Cannistraro worked directly with Clarridge during Iran Contra, so he has alot of nerve bringing that up in connection to Ledeen. Another interesting tidbit (#47) that I discovered is that Wolf and Clarridge worked with Aldrich Ames, who outed Plame to the Russians in the 90's. Coincidence? I think not. Cannistraro trying to kill two birds with one stone to cover his own carcass seems to be the more likely answer. Equally suspicious is the Hersch article, where Cannistraro and another unnamed agent state the exact route the documents took and Cannistraro actually admits that he called the CIA about the documents before they were proven to be false. This begs the question...just how did Cannistraro know about the documents before they were vetted? Sounds a whole lot like Wilson's slip-up about seeing the documents.

Hersch also claims in the above linked article:

Another explanation was provided by a former senior C.I.A. officer. He had begun talking to me about the Niger papers in March, when I first wrote about the forgery, and said, “Somebody deliberately let something false get in there.” He became more forthcoming in subsequent months, eventually saying that a small group of disgruntled retired C.I.A. clandestine operators had banded together in the late summer of last year and drafted the fraudulent documents themselves.
A more reliable source, Joe diGenova claims it was a possible CIA coup as well. As does James Lewis in two articles, here and here

Two other names just crept into this...Niger Ambassador Adamou Chekou, who was in charge at the Embassy when the break-in and forgeries occurred and Wissam al-Zahawiah, Iraqi Ambassador to the Holy See. Seems Italian Intelligence was eavesdropping on these two and discovered their "hotline".

Did you read that carefully. Holy See? As in Vatican? Where Vincent Cannistraro is the security advisor?

And speaking of al Zahawie, he was also apparently clairvoyant:

JANUARY 2003 : (AL ZAHAWIE, "RETIRED IN JORDAN" - IS RECALLED BACK TO BAGHDAD, IRAQ; HE IS TAKEN TO MEET UN WEAPONS INSPECTORS) But last January, al-Zahawie was summoned back to Baghdad for what he had expected would be a request to help Iraq's Foreign Service plan for deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz's planned visit to the Vatican. Instead, upon landing in Baghdad, al-Zahawie was taken to meet with UN weapons inspectors. Five inspectors interviewed him in a 90-minute session, he says.

"They asked why I went [to Niger], why I was chosen, when I left Rome and whether there were any other Iraqi diplomats at the Vatican," he says. "But then they asked who had the seal of the embassy and where I had left it." That's when al-Zahawie got wind of some kind of foul play. Italy had handed over cables from al-Zahawie to the Niger government announcing the trip, and other documents had pointed to his presence in Niger. But the inspectors were particularly interested in a July 6, 2000, document bearing al-Zahawie's signature, concerning a proposed uranium transaction. The inspectors refused to show him the letter, he says, but al-Zahawie was sure he had never written it. "If they had such a letter, it had to have been a forgery," he says. The tell-tale signs of the forgery were quite obvious, he stresses. [* My note: How would he know the 'tell-tale sign' if they refused to show the letters to him? Shades of Joe Wilson's foreknowledge of the docs?]

Also take into consideration:

Wilson (as Ambassador to Gabon) had/has connections to the Gabon Chief of State, Omar Bongo, who was the chief African ally of the French oil company TotalFinaElf, a major beneficiary of the Oil-for-Food bribes. Prior to the Iraq War, they had a contract with Saddam's regime worth an estimated 12.5 to 27.0 billion barrels of oil reserves. Also he had connections via the Middle East Institute and Rock Creek, both of which are Saudi controlled.

Wilson's wife Jacqueline was also apparently a lobbyist for Bongo and it seems Wilson was pretty chummy with Saddam's weapons buyer, having dinner with him on the eve that Kuwait was invaded in 1990. She is now an advisor to Bongo, her picture from a 2005 conference can be found here That makes it very clear that there are connections to oil-for-food. No wonder Wilson can afford his lifestyle.

Source: Posts 21 and 22

If you want to see how much research Freepers have done on this story, just click on the CIALEAK link.

Bottom line:

Educate yourself. As the saying goes "Lead, follow or get the hell out of the way". The lead positions have been taken already by Fedora, Peach, Enchante, myself and others who have been following this story and doing the research so I guess that only leaves you two choices.

41 posted on 12/05/2005 2:23:20 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter
ravingnutter wrote: No...YOU get a grip on the story and then maybe you'll know just WTH you are talking about. Fedora's research can be found at the link below:

Bosh!

That's not research, that's selective article-clipping in support of conspiracy crankery.

As a retired police officer I know something about investigations, and just between you, me and the gatepost there aren't any happening here on Free Republic.

42 posted on 12/05/2005 2:37:26 PM PST by quidnunc (Omnis Gaul delenda est)
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To: quidnunc

Oh, really...maybe you forgot about Buckhead and various other Freepers who have taken the media down a notch or two. And I have a bit of an investigations background as well, so that doesn't make you anyone special. As an investigator, you should know you have to venture past the gatepost, you dismissed our research without even bothering to read it. If you don't have any more respect for FR than that, I would suggest you take the latter alternative I suggested when it comes to this investigation. Don't bother to come on these threads if all you are going to do is snipe. Buh-bye now...


43 posted on 12/05/2005 3:05:35 PM PST by ravingnutter
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To: parnasokan

It took a long time for this thread to show up here.


44 posted on 12/07/2005 12:28:12 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: Wristpin

"The interesting question is how did Joe Wilson know about them before they were in the custody of the US State Dept???????????"

Loose lips sink ships?


45 posted on 12/07/2005 12:30:34 PM PST by popdonnelly
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To: parnasokan

What's the deal with nobody posting any LINKS today?


46 posted on 12/07/2005 12:31:18 PM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not a strategy. " ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: Wristpin; McGavin999
Rockefeller asked?

HOGWASH............LOL.

47 posted on 12/07/2005 12:32:10 PM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not a strategy. " ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: shield

True dat.


48 posted on 12/07/2005 12:33:01 PM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not a strategy. " ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: Sam Hill

Bump.


49 posted on 12/07/2005 12:34:08 PM PST by Howlin ("Victory is not a strategy. " ``Jack Murtha 11/18/05)
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To: DJ Taylor

"...the first rule of a coup is that you must kill the King, because if you fail, your a$$ is grass and the King has the lawn mower."

Is that from Machiavelli?


50 posted on 12/07/2005 12:43:22 PM PST by Busywhiskers ("...moral principle, the sine qua non of an orderly society." --Judge Edith H. Jones)
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