Skip to comments.'Narnia represents everything that is most hateful about religion'
Posted on 12/05/2005 5:13:39 PM PST by Appalled but Not Surprised
Aslan the lion shakes his mighty mane and roars out across Narnia and eternity. Christ is risen! However, not many British children these days will get the message. The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe opens this week to take up the mantle left by The Lord of the Rings. CS Lewis's seven children's books, The Chronicles of Narnia, will be with us now and for many Christmases to come.
.... US born-agains are using the movie. .... children may puzzle over the lion and ask embarrassing questions. .... The sins of this "son of Adam" can only be redeemed by the supreme sacrifice of Aslan.... Of all the elements of Christianity, the most repugnant is the notion of the Christ who took our sins upon himself and sacrificed his body in agony to save our souls. Did we ask him to?....
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
If you want to watch the 9 minute trailer it looks fantastic.
Just the way I like my lefties.
A tad hysterical Chicken Little, mixed with a whole bag of reasons why they are as screwed up as they are. The nice thing about these morons is that we rarely have to do any in depth analysis.
Her major repugnance is in her own weak self. I read her as being afraid she doesn't measure up - certainly not against God. And with very very good reason.
What's really rich is a liberal carping about a lack of individual responsibility (as if she really is concerned about it, which I am sure she is not), and as if Christianity of all things is the cause.
What she doesn't realize, though, is that she will live forever. The question isn't if, it's where.
Carrol you might be correct about, but habitual opium use will make you imagine and write just about anything.
Jane, you ignorant slut, lol.
as would habitual nude photography of sub-adolescents.
OTOH, she sounds like certain Freepers.
Hmmm. I somehow remember something about "every knee will bow and every tongue confess" in the New Testament. She might want to search her concordance just to be sure.
I will say this, based on what I know of Lewis. WAS a very faithful priest.
C.S. Lewis a priest?
you don't know who you are talking about. As for your groundless accusation of pedophilia- I refer readers to your ignorance of Lewis' vocation.
you don't know what Lewis was an oxford Don and not a priest and yet you breezily suggest that he buggered boys.
mr. wickedpinto (cute name for a wiccan) I suggest that when you accuse C.S. Lewis of pedophilia, you project.
Mr. Atomic Vomit
I was quoting SBJ from memory at about ten years' distance, and conflating it with his description of gambling: "If someone comes to me wishing to [gamble] I ask them, 'How much do you wish to win? Take it and go away."...
Thanks for the correction.
Why do non-believers, who claim to have no reason to feel guilt, make such a big deal out of Christ's sacrifice and resurrection for us?
I pray that each of them will see the other half of the story, the true Good News:
"God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."(Romans 5:8 ESV)
If you read my last post, I Openly and fervently apologized about making such a statement about C.S. Lewis, when I meant Lewis Carrol, but any residual anger on your part is justified due to my mistake.
Well said, she does need our prayers. That said, I don't get her apparent worry. If she doesn't believe in Christianity, then the Supreme sacrifice she describes didn't really happen. If she does believe, she (nor any of us) CAUSED God to make the sacrifice of His Son, He did it willingly, out of love for us. If we believe, as I do, that Christ died for our sins, the best I can offer back is to spread the gospel, in hopes that others will believe, and that those believers, and I, can avoid as much sin as possible, so that the sacrifice need not have been as great as it might otherwise have been.
More parroting from the left. Polly wanna just STFU?
What a twisted, tormented, deluded, pathetic hate-mutant this Polly Toynbee is.
whoops #89 beat me to it.
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written: "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength. (NIV)
My favorite comment of hers was her complaint about the strong, muscular Jesus ( in the guise of a lion) that is preached in America. As if Jesus were a "kinder, gentler Mr. Rogers".
Made my heart glad to see that she got it, even though she hates it.
Nyuck, nyuck, nyuck....
When your given a gift, do you tell the giver I never asked you to give me that. Why would a gift offend her?
I've read the same deconstruction of Carroll. A shame though for the effect such nasty and unprovable deconstructions have on subsequent readings of what was originally innocent.
I wonder if that is the purpose of deconstructionism anyway- the perverse desire for rot and corruption as the replacement of purity and virtue.
That said, I credit you for your quick and honest retraction. Good posting to you.
Looks like Christ is being successfully deposed in the UK. Truly pathetic.
"Of all the elements of Christianity, the most repugnant is the notion of the Christ who took our sins upon himself and sacrificed his body in agony to save our souls."
In other words, this author finds the very core of the Gospel repugnant.
"the two dons may have shared the same love of unquestioning feudal power, with worlds of obedient plebs and inferior folk eager to bend at the knee to any passing superior white persons..."
So Narnia...and by association, the Gospel, is racist?
"He was the lamb, representing the meek of the earth, weak, poor and refusing to fight."
And she must throw in the anti-war theme. This sour woman has obviously only read the scriptures selectively.
"Intellectually, the poor do not inherit Lewis's earth."
It is the meek...and the children were indeed meek, and vulnerable. Is this woman truly as dull-witted as she comes across?
"But adults who wince at the worst elements of Christian belief may need a sickbag handy for the most religiose scenes."
I think a barf bag is more in order for this pathetic drivel.
"he is pure, raw, awesome power. He is an emblem for everything an atheist objects to in religion"
Aslan is the power of love. I can see why that might be repugnant to athiests. < /sarcasm >
THIS ARTICLE NEEDS A MEGA BARF ALERT!
"Of all the elements of Christianity, the most repugnant is the notion of the Christ who took our sins upon himself and sacrificed his body in agony to save our souls. Did we ask him to?...."
No but nobody's forcing anyone to accept that either. Even God won't make you go to heaven if you really don't want to. What a bunch of vile, anti-Christian hype that article is.
"For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. (1 Corin. 1:18)
I believe the White Witch may be loose in England.
As one who read all the Narnia books as a kid, and loved them all, the stories do have racist elements. The whiter one is, the more moral one is. It just seeps through the cracks.
You don't get any whiter than the White Witch . . . are you suggesting that she is the most moral of all?
I don't think your theory will hold up to close analysis.
Only in the sense of who it is fashionable to hate. Today, blacks are out. Christians are in.
True, the white witch is satan, and has fallen. But all those bad boys, and slavers in the south, are darker skinned, which Lewis takes the time to mention. Read The Boy and his Horse or whatever it is called. Lewis writes soaringly about the the whiter than white folks of the north, in the mountains, in the north. It must be Norway or something.
No, Polly, but He did it anyway, to save you from yourself. Isn't that wonderful?
Amen and Amen.
I have read them all as well, for myself and to my daughter and grandson. I never picked up the faintest hint of racism.
And how do you explain the White Witch? Doesn't get much whiter than she is described.
As far as black and white, the Bible itself potrays good and evil in terms of darkness and light. so does that make God a racist? I think not. It's just how it is. It is man who has ascribed racist connotations to the symbology.
Did you read The Boy and His Horse?
The Horse and His Boy? Yes. It was one of my favorites.
It was for me too, my favorite after the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, which is the masterpiece. But even at age 11 or so when I read it, I found the "racist" elements a bit much. Maybe Lewis just did it subconsciously.
You're forgetting that Lewis was a medievalist first. The dark/light dichotomy permeates medieval thought . . . and was prevalent in England among those who had never seen a black or even a brown face in their lives . . . it's not racist, it's simply symbolic. (And, of course, again thinking of the medievalists and Roland, the Calormenes are simply stand-ins for the Moors, the invading enemy. Not racism but one of the most ancient cultural wars.)
And, after all, Aravis Tarkheena marries Shasta/Cor. Nothing racist in that.
Your theory also fails to explain the good fauns and satyrs (who are dark) or the good Calormen Emeth, or the bad guys like King Miraz or the Witch in The Silver Chair or the governor of the Lone Islands (Gumpas?), who are white as anybody.
I think the problem lies in who is deciding who's whacko.
Which is rather ironic when you consider that they can't tell the difference.
Could be. But my reaction was, what it was. If you type in the name of the book, and word racism, a lot pops up. It was not only my reaction.
A premise clearly illustrated in another of CS Lewis's works, The Great Divorce.
Did we ask him to? Thank God, oops, goodness, she's cleared that up for us. Sheesh, I was worried that Jesus died to save our souls without getting Polly's permission first. Phewf. /maximum sarcasm
The absolute vitriolic hatred in her comments and her presumption to speak for all of us, supposedly aghast at the audacity of the sacrifice (we didn't ask for it!) and insulted by Christianity tells me that it really struck a nerve with her, that it must be really, really good. And pertinent to Christianity. She seems a bit over the top in her comments, until one thinks that she sees the positive protrayal of Christianity as threatening to her, the anti-Christian.
Wow, it must be a fantastic movie, to inspire such hatred in this Polly who claims to speak for us all, while angry that she feels Christ dared to do the same! As I just told a family member, I think we'll see it twice.
You may have just nailed the crux of liberal discontent. And so unbearable is the agony of their misconceived imaginings and tortured logic, their only solace is in making others as miseerable as they are.
The White Witch is whitest of all, and represents evil.
I'm afraid your theory fails on the first gate.
Holy cats, that lady's wacko and I don't think I've heard so much bile this side of the lunatic left.
I have loved this story for many years, and it looks like the movie is faithful to the book. See y'all on Friday when it opens.