Posted on 12/05/2005 7:55:23 PM PST by neverdem
This is a great example of what Freud called the "narcissism of minor difference." As others have pointed out, militant Islam is dedicated to exterminating both Christians and Jews. So what do the so-called "Jewish leaders" do? Not align themselves with the Christians, with whom they are far more similar than different. That would be the logical thing, but rather than do that they prefer to magnify molehills into mountains--all while Rome burns.
The one thing I can say for them is that they are dependable. As a Jew, I can always depend on them to embarrass me.
(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")
Israel DOES give citizenship to Christians, and Muslims as well. In fact there are both Christians and Muslims that have served in both the Israeli parliament and military
As for your claim that this is a "Christian" nation, the framers and the administration of John Adams seem to belie it throught he ratification of the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796:
Treaty of Tripoli
Unlike governments of the past, the American Fathers set up a government divorced from religion. The establishment of a secular government did not require a reflection to themselves about its origin; they knew this as an unspoken given. However, as the U.S. delved into international affairs, few foreign nations knew about the intentions of America. For this reason, an insight from at a little known but legal document written in the late 1700s explicitly reveals the secular nature of the United States to a foreign nation. Officially called the "Treaty of peace and friendship between the United States of America and the Bey and Subjects of Tripoli, of Barbary," most refer to it as simply the Treaty of Tripoli. In Article 11, it states:
Joel Barlow
U.S. Consul General of Algiers
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"As the Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Musselmen; and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
The preliminary treaty began with a signing on 4 November, 1796 (the end of George Washington's last term as president). Joel Barlow, the American diplomat served as counsel to Algiers and held responsibility for the treaty negotiations. Barlow had once served under Washington as a chaplain in the revolutionary army. He became good friends with Paine, Jefferson, and read Enlightenment literature. Later he abandoned Christian orthodoxy for rationalism and became an advocate of secular government. Barlow, along with his associate, Captain Richard O'Brien, et al, translated and modified the Arabic version of the treaty into English. From this came the added Amendment 11. Barlow forwarded the treaty to U.S. legislators for approval in 1797. Timothy Pickering, the secretary of state, endorsed it and John Adams concurred (now during his presidency), sending the document on to the Senate. The Senate approved the treaty on June 7, 1797, and officially ratified by the Senate with John Adams signature on 10 June, 1797. All during this multi-review process, the wording of Article 11 never raised the slightest concern. The treaty even became public through its publication in The Philadelphia Gazette on 17 June 1797.
So here we have a clear admission by the United States that our government did not found itself upon Christianity. Unlike the Declaration of Independence, this treaty represented U.S. law as all treaties do according to the Constitution (see Article VI, Sect. 2).
Foxman and Yoffie are about as representative of true Jews as John Shelby Spong is representative of true Christians. Those two bloviating carpetbaggers should loose all their teeth except one, and that one should remain for a toothache!
Foxman/Yoffie flapping their sorry bazoos again - ping!
Idiots! And just in time for Christmas. How special!
... The sad part is his willingness to sacrifice Evangelical support for Israel and the relationship between Christians and Jews in this country to get money. He makes some Christians angry, he makes many Jews even more so.
+1,000. It makes my blood pressure go up every time one of these hard left schills presumes to speak in the name of all Jews. This Jew, at least, isn't worried about being converted to any other religion, and has a distinct distaste for those who would eliminate all religion and all mention of G-d from public life. Without religion, we'd ultimately become a bunch of uncivilized and amoral barbarians. Understanding that you are accountable for all of your actions to the One who knows everything is a far bigger restraint on our baser instincts than even the worst punishments that a Hitler or a Stalin can mete out, let alone the pantywaste PC governments of the West. That is what keeps us civilized (and, therefore, prosperous), not a bunch of manmade laws. Foxman and Co. clearly don't get that, and they'd prefer to make piles of money scaring old ladies about the last boogeyman, rather than the one which presents a clear and present danger.
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Believe it or not,
you do not know all Christians
and many of those
you don't know believe
Christians have replaced the Jews
as God's "chosen" ones . . .
And those Christians think
they are every bit as "real"
as you think you are.
Jews, Christians and the 'new antisemitism'
By Edward Kessler
"In Jewish-Christian relations an old problem has been generating a new controversy and has compelled some people to ask whether we are facing a ‘new antisemitism’. In this case, concern has been raised about the doctrine of replacement theology - the doctrine that Christianity has simply replaced Judaism. This has revived fears among some Jews about the spectre of a resurgence of Christian antisemitism. Replacement theology suggests that since the time of Jesus, Christians have replaced Jews in God’s favour and that Christianity has inherited all of God’s promises, including the land of Israel.
"According to the article published by Melanie Phillips in the Spectator,(1) anti-Israeli feeling in Christian circles has arisen as a result of replacement theology. She quotes Canon Andrew White that 'almost all the Churches hold to replacement theology' and argues vehemently that what she identified as an outpouring of Christian anti-Zionism is driven by this ‘new antisemitism’. ..."
The ADL gets not one nickel from this fella...I e-mailed my local ADL office. They didn't even bother to reply. They sure as nuts don't represent me.
"Deformed" Judaism......their religion is Marxism and their dogma is Secular Humanism..... Montag813, you hit the provervial nail on the head, buddy!
They're the JINO counterparts of rad-lib "protestants" and "catholics", the CINOs. They share the same "religion" and "dogma." Some of us call our CINOs "kumbaya christians"; I often use the term for those from my former denomination...epsicopagans. New Age, Politically Correct, stale 60s leftover hippie-dippy, Marxism, Secular Humanism. They all do the same thing, they mix root beer with the 12-year old scotch, so to speak.
These assorted nincompoops are about as representative of real Judaism or Christianity as a Yugo is representative of a Ferarri.
"Yisrael af al pi she'hata, Yisrael hu" (A Jew who sins, is still a Jew)
The word that I take exception to is "Leader."
Their members are dying off (not soon enough, especially in Palm Beach),
There's no need to be so nasty. I have liberal loved ones and they are a pain in the tuchis to be with, especially during the holidays. But that doesn't mean you shouldn't be a mensch.
Jews are dying in Israel from bombs, Jonathan Pollard is rotting in his cell, Jewish Schools are screaming for help, and all you can do is have meetings like this?
Boy, do you need some therapy.
If anyone has any questions as to what happens when you start to lose touch with your religious heritage (Christianity, Judaism, etc.) just ask the Europeans, especially the French. The Islamofacists are using the opportuniy provided by exactly this to overrun Europe.
Don't ask questions to which you don't want to know the answers.
Because it would be yes.
Foxman and Yoffie aren't stupid, just deluded. And lacking in common sense...
Foxman merely lacks Fat Al's helmet hair..
Why don't these mprons devise a strategy to deal with jihadists instead of just babbling..
But they don't have a lick of sense and never will.
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