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Families of Williams' victims urge governor not to forget them [Tookie]
AP ^ | 12/7/5 | KIM CURTIS

Posted on 12/07/2005 3:35:04 PM PST by SmithL

One victim was a young convenience store clerk and military veteran who moved back to California to fight for custody of his daughters. The other three were family members who owned a motel they were hoping to sell because the neighborhood had grown too rough.

For all four, plans to change their lives were cut short by the sawed-off shotgun of Crips co-founder Stanley Tookie Williams during a pair of 1979 robberies in Los Angeles County that have put him on death row.

Their stories are part of the pitch prosecutors have made to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to deny clemency and let Williams die by lethal injection on Tuesday, but most of the news coverage has focused on the criminal, not the crime.

Family members say too much attention is being paid to Williams and too little is focused on their loved ones who got no second chances, no opportunities to turn their lives around.

With the help of prosecutors and victims' rights advocates, they plan to urge the governor Thursday to consider their loss — store clerk Albert Owens, 26 and motel owners Yen-I Yang, 76 and Tsai-Shai Yang, 63, and their daughter Ye-Chen Lin, 43, who left behind shattered families and changed lives.

Williams claims he's innocent and his supporters say he is more valuable alive than dead as he works behind bars to keep young people away from gangs. They want Schwarzenegger to reduce Williams' death sentence to life in prison without parole.

Williams, 51, co-founded the Crips gang in Los Angeles with a high school buddy when he was 17. He has since renounced his gangster past, spoken to community groups by phone from San Quentin State Prison and co-written a series of children's books warning them about the dangers of a criminal life.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: murderer; stanleywilliams; tookie
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Tookie Delenda Est!
1 posted on 12/07/2005 3:35:04 PM PST by SmithL
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To: SmithL

When do they smoke a tookie?


2 posted on 12/07/2005 3:38:19 PM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: SmithL

Exactly. The victims are always forgotten in these things.


3 posted on 12/07/2005 3:38:58 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: SmithL

Tookie es muerto.


4 posted on 12/07/2005 3:39:02 PM PST by L98Fiero
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To: SmithL

That's the way the tookie crumbles.


5 posted on 12/07/2005 3:42:03 PM PST by gotribe (Hillary: Accessory to Rape)
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To: SmithL

"Families of Williams' victims urge governor not to forget them [Tookie]"

He should also not forget the actual victims. How do you stand at the foot of a grave and tell the occupant you've decided to let the person off who put them there?


6 posted on 12/07/2005 3:42:11 PM PST by Spok (Est omnis de civilitate.)
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To: Spok

"Their stories are part of the pitch prosecutors have made to Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger"

Such a way with words when it comes to the victims


7 posted on 12/07/2005 3:44:07 PM PST by italianquaker (Democrats and media can't win elections at least they can win their phony polls.)
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To: SmithL
Thank you for your correspondence regarding Stanley Williams.

There is a court order currently in place that calls for Mr. Williams to be executed by the State of California on December 13, 2005, and Mr. Williams has, through his attorneys, expressed his desire for the Governor to grant him clemency in this matter.

Capital punishment is an issue about which many people hold strong and impassioned views, and Governor Schwarzenegger appreciates you taking the time to express yours with regard to Mr. Williams. Your correspondence will be given due consideration during the clemency process.

Thank you again for writing.

Sincerely,

ANDREA LYNN HOCH Legal Affairs Secretary

This was my response from the governor's office.

8 posted on 12/07/2005 3:46:47 PM PST by afnamvet
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To: SmithL

I've got a bad feeling that Arnold is going to let Tookie off. Why else bother to have clemency hearings except to give himself cover: "I listened carefully to both sides and weighed all conflicting views, and then I did what Maria wanted me to."


10 posted on 12/07/2005 3:47:49 PM PST by Argus
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To: SmithL
I have always thought justice should be swift and sure.
If a criminal wants to have an appeal, he should first under go all possible means to prove he did not do the crime by using all types of truth serums.
This would lower the amount of innocents in prison and might clear up other crimes.
This would also save the vast amount of money paid to lawyers who make a career out of filing endless appeals for these scum.
11 posted on 12/07/2005 3:48:08 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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To: bill1952

Tuck Fookie


12 posted on 12/07/2005 3:48:16 PM PST by RVN Airplane Driver (Most Americans are so spoiled with freedom they have no idea what it takes to earn and keep it.)
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To: samadams2000

Dec 13. Early - 12:01 am


13 posted on 12/07/2005 3:49:27 PM PST by doug from upland (The troops will come home when the mission is complete)
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To: SmithL

If Tookie thinks execution is his biggest worry right now he needs to think again. Its after the execution. The drugs themselves will be painless....his afterlife....well...that is a different matter.


14 posted on 12/07/2005 3:49:52 PM PST by fizziwig
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

I was just reading about an infamous murder that took place 100 years ago this month in the Adirondacks. It was the basis of a famous book and movie. But the murderer was executed one year after his conviction!

Great idea!


15 posted on 12/07/2005 3:52:10 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: SmithL
Tookie wrote 2 books, one sold 330 copies and the other sold TWO copies.
16 posted on 12/07/2005 3:54:41 PM PST by msnimje (Everyday there is a new example of the Democrats "Culture of Dementia")
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To: bill1952

OMG, what is that picture? (You should warn people!)


17 posted on 12/07/2005 3:55:01 PM PST by Howlin
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To: SmithL

"...their loved ones who got no second chances, no opportunities to turn their lives around."

Somehow I suspect there was no "turning their lives around" required for the victims. And if there was, jail and a death sentence hanging over their heads wouldn't have been required.


18 posted on 12/07/2005 3:55:18 PM PST by Felis_irritable
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To: afnamvet

Merriam-Websters gives the first definition of clemency as: disposition to be merciful and especially to moderate the severity of punishment due

Since Williams refuses to admit he committed these crimes, clemency is impossible. Clemency and mercy are both undeserved and unearned. But Willimas' supporters are saying, in effect, that Williams has earned clemency with his "good works".


19 posted on 12/07/2005 3:55:29 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Argus

If he does, he will have to change his party affiliation the next day because he will lose the support of most republicans.


20 posted on 12/07/2005 3:56:10 PM PST by msnimje (Everyday there is a new example of the Democrats "Culture of Dementia")
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To: Argus
Arnold better think about this when he's listening to people talk about how Tookie has turned his life around:

...and too little is focused on their loved ones who got no second chances, no opportunities to turn their lives around.

They WANTED to turn their lives around, but Tookie needed $$$$.

21 posted on 12/07/2005 3:56:38 PM PST by Howlin
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

heeehehee


22 posted on 12/07/2005 3:57:19 PM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: BunnySlippers
What murder 100 years ago?
23 posted on 12/07/2005 3:57:33 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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To: SmithL
"They want Schwarzenegger to reduce Williams' death sentence to life in prison without parole."

Then they will ask a future governor or president to grant a pardon to the Nobel Laureate at the urging of His Excellency, Kofi Annan.

24 posted on 12/07/2005 4:02:51 PM PST by Boss_Jim_Gettys (Willing to compromise...NOT)
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To: Howlin
I'm sorry. That is one of the three victims that he was convicted for murdering.

His other victims number very high.

Just for the record, that was Li Chen Lin, shot in the face with a shotgun. I also have the coroner's pictures of the other victims.
25 posted on 12/07/2005 4:04:00 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran


I should have looked it up before I posted originally. It was the basis for Theodore Dreiser's "An American Tragedy" and the movie "A Place in the Sun" with Elizabeth Taylor, Montgomery Clift and Shelley Winters.

About a pregnant girl killed by her boyfriend in 1906. Several articles ... some with great pictures. But one here:

http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/entertainment/13312429.htm


26 posted on 12/07/2005 4:04:08 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Howlin

BTW, Tookie took out a one page ad in the LA Times today.


27 posted on 12/07/2005 4:05:40 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: msnimje

Is that true? If so, ROFLMAO! Talk about "make my day!"


28 posted on 12/07/2005 4:12:06 PM PST by Howlin
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To: SmithL
He has since renounced his gangster past

MSM Lie Alert.
29 posted on 12/07/2005 4:12:38 PM PST by keat (Who the f___ is I. Lewis Libby?)
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To: bill1952

He killed more than 3 people? (I'm sorry, but I'm hopelessly behind on some of these stories.)


30 posted on 12/07/2005 4:13:34 PM PST by Howlin
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To: BunnySlippers

He did not! Can you tell me what it says?


31 posted on 12/07/2005 4:14:09 PM PST by Howlin
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To: afnamvet

That reply from the Governor's office is total unmitigated CRAP!


32 posted on 12/07/2005 4:14:28 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: Howlin
That is what Joseph C. Phillips says.

http://www.josephcphillips.com/html/EssayShow.asp?Essay=210
33 posted on 12/07/2005 4:15:30 PM PST by msnimje (Everyday there is a new example of the Democrats "Culture of Dementia")
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To: Howlin

Half the page was a photo of Tookie. The other part was a long tirade about the good he is doing and will continue to do if allowed to live. Then the place on the web to go to sign a petition to keep him alive.

Frankly, I never saw anything like it ... anywhere.


34 posted on 12/07/2005 4:16:17 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: msnimje
From another article:

LOS ANGELES -- Clemency should be granted condemned killer and Crips co-founder Stanley "Tookie" Williams so at-risk kids can continue to learn from him about the horrors of gang life, defense attorneys said Wednesday.

That's really rich, isn't it?

I have an idea: let's make him an EXAMPLE.

35 posted on 12/07/2005 4:16:32 PM PST by Howlin
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To: elcid1970

I'm sure it's the same canned message they sent even his supporters. The clemency hearing is tomorrow.

I hope that Arnold's heart scare today doesn't influence him.


36 posted on 12/07/2005 4:17:29 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: BunnySlippers
Think you, I will watch AMC and TCM to see if they will show it.

It reminds me of this old song

The Knoxville Girl

I met a little girl in Knoxville
A town we all know well
And every Sunday evening
Out in her home I'd dwell
We went to take an evening walk
About a mile from town
I picked a stick up off the ground
And knocked that fair girl down;

She fell down on her bended knees
For mercy she did cry
Oh, Willie dear, don't kill me here
I'm unprepared to die
She never spoke another word
I only beat her more
Until the ground around me
Within her blood did flow.

I took her by her golden curls
And I drug her 'round and 'round
Throwing her into the river
That flows through Knoxville town
Go down, go down, you Knoxville girl
With the dark and roving eyes
Go down, go down, you Knoxville girl
You can never be my bride.
37 posted on 12/07/2005 4:18:05 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Giving power and money to Congress is like giving liquor and car keys to teenage boys. - P.J. O'Rour)
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To: Howlin

Good Lord, he is the founder of the Crips, one of the most murderous gangs in modern history.

May he burn in Hell.


38 posted on 12/07/2005 4:21:04 PM PST by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Howlin
I have an idea: let's make him an EXAMPLE.

Which is my point as well. He writes these books saying crime doesn't pay. The only way he can truly teach kids this lesson is by paying the ultimate price ... not getting off on a technicality.

The whole thing is a sham! Listening to Rita Cosby's interview with him shows he's onyl semi-literate. He's had numerous run ins in prison and hangs with the Crips in the prison yard.

He refuses to testify against the Crips saying he doesn't want to give up his last shred of dignity.

He needs to die to let his children readers know that this is the end result of a life of crime.

39 posted on 12/07/2005 4:21:46 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran

Lovely poem.

Here's a 10 page article with lots of historical photos. The town does an annual rememberance every year.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/classics/chester_gillette/


40 posted on 12/07/2005 4:26:30 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Howlin

Howlin, agree on the warning, but people should SEE what this creep did. it's all too easy for us not to visualize. We've all become entirely too numb to violence.
As I type this, am watching Fox News showing high school kids pleading for clemency, perhaps THEY should see the picture.


41 posted on 12/07/2005 4:28:27 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: SmithL

Did tookie ever have a legit job?


42 posted on 12/07/2005 4:29:00 PM PST by outriderduke
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To: BunnySlippers

I wish I could see it!


43 posted on 12/07/2005 4:29:07 PM PST by Howlin
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To: BunnySlippers

Well, I am further behind than I thought; what happened to Arnold today?


44 posted on 12/07/2005 4:30:03 PM PST by Howlin
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To: SmithL
There are reports that Arnold met Tookie at a bodybuilding place before the murders, which is deeply troubling.</p>
45 posted on 12/07/2005 4:32:21 PM PST by dbostan
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To: Howlin

I just read a headline ... somewhere. That Arnold has a heart scare today. Here it is ...
Schwarzeneggar Taken to Hospital:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/kcra/20051207/lo_kcra/3108508


46 posted on 12/07/2005 4:33:15 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: afnamvet

I sent the Governator an email as well - wonder if I'll get a different response (maybe they rotate them).


47 posted on 12/07/2005 4:48:46 PM PST by Right Cal Gal (Armed, Female and Southern!)
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To: Argus
"I've got a bad feeling that Arnold is going to let Tookie off. Why else bother to have clemency hearings except to give himself cover: "I listened carefully to both sides and weighed all conflicting views, and then I did what Maria wanted me to.""

Clemency hearings are standard stuff, and they give the Governor cover whichever way he decides to go. HE hasn't gone for clemency yet, and I doubt he will in this case.
48 posted on 12/07/2005 4:49:02 PM PST by Moral Hazard ("Now therefore kill every male among the little ones" - Numbers 31:17)
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To: EDINVA

I agree with you. People should see what the bastard did. Tookie should die for his crimes.


49 posted on 12/07/2005 4:49:16 PM PST by Defend the Second ("Hans, Hans, you're breaking my barrs...")
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To: BunnySlippers

Great post!


50 posted on 12/07/2005 4:53:59 PM PST by beyond the sea (Murtha: Redeployment - What .......Surrender? // “Victory is not a strategy”)
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