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PICK UP A RIFLE-More Americans are killed by deer each year than by any other large American mammal
ncpa.org ^ | Thursday, December 08, 2005

Posted on 12/08/2005 9:01:58 AM PST by InvisibleChurch

Unchecked by predators, deer populations are exploding in a way that is profoundly unnatural and that is destroying the ecosystem in many parts of the country. According to Nicholas D. Kristof of the New York Times, we should bring back hunting and reestablish a balance in the natural world.

In a wilderness area, there might be 10 deer per square mile, but in parts of New Jersey, there are up to 200 per square mile. The exploding deer populations are harming humans, says Kristof:

More Americans are killed by deer each year than by any other large American mammal, including bears, cougars and wolves. A study for the insurance industry estimated that deer kill 150 people a year in car crashes nationwide and cause $1 billion in damages. Ticks and Lyme disease, a more indirect effect from deer, also kill humans. Agreeing on a solution for controlling deer populations and protecting humans has proven difficult. These days, among the university-educated crowd in the cities, hunting is viewed as barbaric. Towns in New York and New Jersey are talking about using birth control to keep deer populations down, although deer contraception has not been very successful. Meanwhile, some towns are paying big bucks, taking out contracts on deer through discreet private companies.

Kristof says this is ridiculous. We have an environmental imbalance caused in part by the decline of hunting, he says. Humans first wiped out certain predators -- like wolves and cougars -- but then expected their own role as predators to sustain a rough ecological balance.

The humane and green solution, says Kristof, is to encourage hunting, and many environmentalists agree. Deer are not pets, and many find hunting them is preferable to letting deer die of hunger and disease. Furthermore, hunting connects people with the outdoors and creates a broader constituency for wilderness preservation.

For text: Nicholas D. Kristof, "For Environmental Balance, Pick Up a Rifle," New York Times, December 4, 2005.

For text (subscription required):

http://select.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/opinion/04kristof.html?hp&oref=login

For more on Environment:

http://eteam.ncpa.org/issues/?c=wildlife-issues


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Poster's misconception of a deer

1 posted on 12/08/2005 9:01:59 AM PST by InvisibleChurch
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To: InvisibleChurch

WHAT?!?!? no moose?


2 posted on 12/08/2005 9:04:10 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
If they don't bring hunting back to keep the herd in NJ under control, then endemic disease will start to take down the population.

Me? I'm hoping for hunting. I love deer-meat chili!

3 posted on 12/08/2005 9:04:41 AM PST by TruthNtegrity
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To: InvisibleChurch

Yep, and....


4 posted on 12/08/2005 9:04:51 AM PST by Jaded (The truth shall set you free, but lying to yourself turns you French.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Humans have an enormous impact on ecosystems.

In many cases, we make wildlife populations absolutely explode. The Indians never had as many deer as we do today.

5 posted on 12/08/2005 9:06:55 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: InvisibleChurch

Pick up a rifle? How irresponsible. We'll just pass a law against the excess deer population, and I'm sure they'll all turn themselves in to the authorities to be taken care of.


6 posted on 12/08/2005 9:07:34 AM PST by Sofa King (A wise man uses compromise as an alternative to defeat. A fool uses it as an alternative to victory.)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Other humans don't qualify as North American Mammals?
 
Anyways, if we don't cull the deer population big time, back to what it was 150 years ago, you can say goodbye to our forest edge and eventually most of our forests.
Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

7 posted on 12/08/2005 9:08:41 AM PST by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: InvisibleChurch

How can US lawmakers control deer when they cannot control themselves?


8 posted on 12/08/2005 9:08:55 AM PST by AZRepublican
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To: InvisibleChurch

Bush's fault


9 posted on 12/08/2005 9:08:56 AM PST by dinoparty (In the beginning was the Word)
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To: InvisibleChurch
Meanwhile, some towns are paying big bucks,

I think the smaller ones are just as much of a problem.

10 posted on 12/08/2005 9:09:15 AM PST by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: InvisibleChurch
More Americans are killed by deer each year than by any other large American mammal...

Actually, I would dare say that more Americans are killed each year by humans than by deer.

11 posted on 12/08/2005 9:10:27 AM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: InvisibleChurch
200 deer per square mile?

Heck with the rifle- I'm going hunting with a Civil War Cavalry saber.

12 posted on 12/08/2005 9:10:34 AM PST by Riley ("Bother" said Pooh, as he fired the Claymores.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

"exploding deer" -- islamo deer


13 posted on 12/08/2005 9:10:36 AM PST by YouPosting2Me
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To: Riley
now that is funny

LOL

14 posted on 12/08/2005 9:11:42 AM PST by InvisibleChurch (The search for someone to blame is always successful. - Robert Half)
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To: palmer
I think the smaller ones are just as much of a problem.


15 posted on 12/08/2005 9:12:27 AM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: InvisibleChurch

The best definition of deer:

RATS ON HOOVES

Been saying it for years, now the yuppies are losing their shrubs and stuff, now they "get it".


16 posted on 12/08/2005 9:13:47 AM PST by Al Gator (Remember to pillage BEFORE you burn!)
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To: InvisibleChurch
"OH NO, THEY'RE GOING TO KILL BAMBI..."
17 posted on 12/08/2005 9:17:37 AM PST by CommandoFrank (Peer into the depths of hell and there you will find the face of Islam...)
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To: TruthNtegrity
Now that we've elected Corzine governor I think it's entirely possible that he bans all hunting in New Jersey, not just the Bear Hunt.

In the end it's really just a question of how much money can the Animal rights groups come up with for his 'PAC' (wink wink)

18 posted on 12/08/2005 9:19:17 AM PST by tcostell
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To: InvisibleChurch
Me and my son did our part for the environment last weekend in the Llano County, Texas


19 posted on 12/08/2005 9:22:57 AM PST by tx_eggman (If we had some bacon we could have bacon and eggs ... if we had some eggs.)
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To: gridlock
Or, rather, "Doe!"
20 posted on 12/08/2005 9:25:54 AM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: Owl_Eagle
It'll only work if you cull the does in the effected areas.
21 posted on 12/08/2005 9:26:04 AM PST by ol' hoghead (it'll only work)
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To: tx_eggman

What? You told 2 bucks their hooves were untied? :)


22 posted on 12/08/2005 9:27:27 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: Owl_Eagle
Other humans don't qualify as North American Mammals?



I see your point.
23 posted on 12/08/2005 9:28:48 AM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: Riley

200 deer per square mile?

----

That sounds a little suspect to me.
But I forgot about the deer projects in NJ. All that overcrowding. It's a shame.


24 posted on 12/08/2005 9:29:51 AM PST by FearlessFreep
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To: TruthNtegrity

I just love deer sausage.

We need to re-assert that we are at the top of the food chain. Let's change PETA to People Eat The Animals.


25 posted on 12/08/2005 9:33:19 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: tx_eggman
Now thats more buck for your bang!!
Good shooting.
I'll be trying my best to cull the herd up here in Kansas this Saturday and Sunday.
Just got 6-8 inches of snow. Bambi and his pals show up REAL well against white.
'sides, I've been looking for a good excuse to get more camo and I can really miss the Xmas shopping expedition Mrs Cavtrooper has planned.
26 posted on 12/08/2005 9:39:34 AM PST by cavtrooper21 (No snappy tagline ideas available at this time... Please try again later.)
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To: TruthNtegrity

Had a heart stopping moment a few weeks ago. I was driving down a deserted interstate (yes, they can and do exist occasionally!) late at night. I saw a blur of movement as I spend past...looking in my rear view mirror I saw that two deer had jumped out JUST behind my car. FAINT. Another milisecond and I'd have hit them both. Thanks, Jesus!


27 posted on 12/08/2005 9:41:54 AM PST by freepertoo
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To: Riley

I've got one of those! Roby non-commissioned officer's sword


28 posted on 12/08/2005 9:42:35 AM PST by freepertoo
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To: ClearCase_guy
The Indians never had as many deer as we do today.

True, because they had lots more cougars/panthers/mountain lions and wolves.

29 posted on 12/08/2005 9:50:49 AM PST by El Gato
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To: freepertoo

Try driving down NM 537 at night. It's an obstacle course! They start coming out around dusk, and then it's a free-for-all. I think 90% of the deer and elk in NM are on the Jicarilla reservation.


30 posted on 12/08/2005 9:56:06 AM PST by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: Disambiguator

I have bow or rifle and can travel.


31 posted on 12/08/2005 10:00:16 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: tx_eggman

I've been doing my part in Lee County and Wayne County in south Georgia!!!


32 posted on 12/08/2005 10:02:21 AM PST by Dixie Pirate (Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.)
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To: tx_eggman

You done good, proud of both of you. Is that sausage I smell?


33 posted on 12/08/2005 10:12:01 AM PST by TEXASPROUD
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To: oldenuff2no

http://www.jicarillahunt.com/


34 posted on 12/08/2005 10:17:12 AM PST by Disambiguator (Making accusations of racism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: InvisibleChurch

--mountain liions are a big help too--lets get them re-established in the northeastern states--


35 posted on 12/08/2005 10:17:26 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: TruthNtegrity

I have a 2 gallon pot of deer chili cooking on the stove as I write this note. Got a group of pals coming over tonight for chili, beer and apple pie. If my luck is good, maybe I'll pick up a few bucks at the gaming table. If not, there is always next week.


36 posted on 12/08/2005 10:17:39 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: camle

Look, I never, EVER bit your sister! (My nickname has been "Moose" since 3rd grade:-)


37 posted on 12/08/2005 10:18:42 AM PST by MortMan (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: MortMan
Look, I never, EVER bit your sister!

But did his sister bite you? ;^)

38 posted on 12/08/2005 10:24:40 AM PST by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: rellimpank
-mountain liions are a big help too--lets get them re-established in the northeastern states--

And wolf packs, too. Let's start with Central Park.

39 posted on 12/08/2005 10:27:01 AM PST by LexBaird (tyrannosaurus Lex, unapologetic carnivore)
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To: USS Alaska
You wrote all of that and you didn't invite me over?

I can whip up a mean dessert while y'all are playing poker and I don't mind cigar smoke.

Sheesh. Some guys just don't get it. It's rude to mention SAUSAGE and not use the word "invite" in the same sentence!!

Just saw the "apple pie". You don't need me for dessert. Rats!

40 posted on 12/08/2005 10:29:00 AM PST by TruthNtegrity
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To: LexBaird

--Central Park needs grizzly bears--


41 posted on 12/08/2005 10:29:00 AM PST by rellimpank (Don't believe anything about firearms or explosives stated by the mass media---NRABenefactor)
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To: InvisibleChurch

"Towns in New York and New Jersey are talking about using birth control to keep deer populations down, although deer contraception has not been very successful."

Better send them to school to learn how to put the condoms on correctly.


42 posted on 12/08/2005 10:36:06 AM PST by OldYank1
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To: LexBaird

Ummmmm... No comment? ;-P


43 posted on 12/08/2005 10:40:37 AM PST by MortMan (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: TruthNtegrity

>>>If they don't bring hunting back to keep the herd in NJ under control, then endemic disease will start to take down the population.

Just in case you missed this thread....FYI...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1536336/posts
Four Activists Arrested (Iranian-American Animal Rights Activist Threatens Hunters)


44 posted on 12/08/2005 10:45:27 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Sofa King

::laughing!::


45 posted on 12/08/2005 10:46:26 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: tx_eggman

I don't get it?


46 posted on 12/08/2005 10:48:45 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: USS Alaska

47 posted on 12/08/2005 10:51:59 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Gabz; Coleus
"Towns in New York and New Jersey are talking about using birth control to keep deer populations down, although deer contraception has not been very successful."

So it is, once again, the pharmaceutical companies looking to monopolize a market?

48 posted on 12/08/2005 10:53:56 AM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: cavtrooper21
I can really miss the Xmas shopping expedition Mrs Cavtrooper has planned.

- he said, hopefully. ;^)

Seriously, I wish you well in your endeavor. A day in the woods, successful or not, beats any outing with the Hole In The Mall Gang.

49 posted on 12/08/2005 10:58:21 AM PST by Charles Martel
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To: Calpernia

Give me an address for the kid with the bowl and I'll send him some. I couldn't find Breederville in my Mapquest search, so I went to google earth, still no luck.

Great pix. I love the creativity of the Freepers.


50 posted on 12/08/2005 11:13:57 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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