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Council Members Urge Calm Over 'Tookie' Williams Decisions
NBC4.TV ^ | December 9, 2005 | NBC4.TV

Posted on 12/09/2005 3:38:26 PM PST by Main Street

LOS ANGELES -- Four Los Angeles City Council members called for calm Friday as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger considers whether to grant clemency to Crips co-founder and death row inmate Stanley "Tookie" Williams.

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With less than four days to go before Williams' scheduled Tuesday execution, sporadic-yet-credible threats of civil unrest have prompted the council members and representatives from the city and county human relations commissions to ask religious leaders to emphasize a message of peace during weekend services.

"We picked up information that led us to believe that there were some planned and intentioned acts of violence that could occur in the wake of the decision or the execution planned for Stan "Tookie" Williams," Robin Toma, executive director of the Los Angeles County Human Relations Commission, said during a news conference at City Hall.

Toma declined to list the affected communities or elaborate on the threats.

Councilman Bernard Parks said he spoke earlier today about potential civil unrest with Los Angeles Police Department Deputy Chief Earl Paysinger of the South Bureau.

Parks said Paysinger assured him the LAPD would remain "vigilant" this weekend, but there was no immediate need to put the city on tactical alert.

"All you need is a few to disrupt the entire city," Parks said, referring to the events that led to the 1992 riots. "You don't need large numbers of people to start a problem."

Parks, along with council members Jan Perry, Herb Wesson and Bill Rosendahl, said they are asking religious leaders to deliver a message of peace in the days leading up to Williams' scheduled lethal injection execution at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday at San Quentin Prison.

"Regardless of your personal views on Mr. Williams' situation, I believe we all share a desire to ensure that people find outlets in which they can respectfully and positively voice their opinions," Perry said. "I believe that our religious institutions provide guidance and leadership to thousands in our community, and it is times like these that we must turn to each other for support."

Williams, now 51, was sentenced to death in 1981 after he was found guilty of murdering four people during two separate robberies two years earlier.

Williams has maintained his innocence.

Attorneys for Williams and the Los Angeles County District Attorney's Office each delivered 30 minutes of arguments to the governor yesterday, with prosecutors insisting that Williams deserved to die for the slayings and defense lawyers arguing that he has renounced gang violence.

The governor could issue a decision at any time.

If granted clemency, Williams would serve life in prison without parole.

In California, only the governor has the authority to commute a death sentence to life in prison. Ronald Reagan was the last California governor to grant clemency in 1967.

If clemency is denied, Parks said he will ask religious leaders to open their churches and synagogues for community discussions.

Rosendahl added: "I'm standing here as a white guy that represents the 11th District who realizes it impacts all of us, we're all in this dialogue together. In my district, black and white and brown and Asian together are mixing and discussing this issue. It's of great concern to all of us."

The Crips street gang, founded in 1971 in South Central Los Angeles, went on to become one of the most violent and widespread in the United States.

Family members of Williams' victims say he should be put to death for his actions.

But Williams's supporters say he has reformed because he spent much of the past 24 years writing children's books and teaching at-risk youth about the dangers of gangs. Supporters also have nominated him for Nobel prizes, for peace and in literature.

"For those who believe in redemption, they should remember that for the past 13 years, Mr. Williams has been talking about peace, not violence," Councilman Herb Wesson said. "I think the biggest tribute they could pay to him is to ensure that whatever happens ... they should be respectful to how he lived his life for the last 13 years."

Since being condemned to death, Williams has renounced his gang past, been the subject of a cable TV movie called "Redemption" starring Jamie Foxx. He was nominated in 2000 for a Nobel Peace Prize by Swiss Parliament member Mario Fehr for the anti-gang work he has done from his 9-by-4-foot cell.

Calls for clemency have been mounting from religious and community leaders and celebrities such as Foxx, the rapper Snoop Dogg, actor Mike Farrell and activist Bianca Jagger.

National Association for the Advancement of Colored People President Bruce Gordon also supports clemency, calling Williams "our secret weapon to help young African-Americans avoid gangs."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 3rdworld; iraq; losangeles; riot; stanley; stanleywilliams; tookie; williams
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To: Main Street

The threat for executing a murderer, given years of appeals, is rioting? What next, rioting for more welfare money, than free housing, than cars, TVs......sorry, we already do that.


51 posted on 12/09/2005 4:04:25 PM PST by caisson71
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To: Main Street

(snip) Parks said he will ask religious leaders to open their churches and synagogues for community discussions.

Good idea. Everyone knows how crazy those Jewish people are going to get if Tookie is not granted clemency...


52 posted on 12/09/2005 4:04:47 PM PST by 43north (186,000 miles per second; its not just a good idea, its the law!)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

"Yes, and another was arrested two weeks ago for raping a woman in San Bernardino"

Actually, it was a 13 year old girl...


53 posted on 12/09/2005 4:08:25 PM PST by wolficatZ (Jonathan Quayle Higgins III - "Zeus...Apollo...Patrol!"....)
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To: I Drive Too Fast

We can only hope.


54 posted on 12/09/2005 4:13:04 PM PST by windcliff
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To: Arizona Carolyn

You answered your own questions. California Liberals. LA City council is claiming people are planning riots if Arnold does not pardon the killer/

The only people making alot of noise (kill tookie hour) are John and Ken - KFI640 Radio. Devote an hour in support of the death penalty. I am afraid that California is hopeless. Can't wait to move out of state in a few years.


55 posted on 12/09/2005 4:14:34 PM PST by newfrpr04
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To: msnimje

If Tookie is so influential a peacemaker why can't he "urge" peace in the event of his execution and have the gangsters abide by his request?



There you go! Good point! But then we all know this is all about "tookie" and politics...not tookie and redemption. He even lied about being the founder of the Cribs/Crips.


56 posted on 12/09/2005 4:16:00 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121

You mean to tell me he was a liar too? Ok Ive just dropped my riot brick. SMOKE THE TOOKIE!


57 posted on 12/09/2005 4:19:01 PM PST by samadams2000 (Nothing fills the void of a passing hurricane better than government)
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To: captnorb

His son "Little Tookie" is serving in San Quentin for the murder of a 20 year old woman. His other son Lafayette is a registered sex offender arrested again not too long ago for holding a 13 year old girl captive and raping her.

Lovely family.


58 posted on 12/09/2005 4:19:16 PM PST by dha (The safest place to be is within the will of God.)
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To: samadams2000

LOL! I was shocked I tell you...shocked.


59 posted on 12/09/2005 4:21:16 PM PST by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Main Street
Four Los Angeles City Council members called for calm Friday as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger considers whether to grant clemency to Crips co-founder and death row inmate Stanley "Tookie" Williams.

Gee! I wonder why they'd have to ask for calm! Hmmm...

And who, pray tell, are they referring to!

60 posted on 12/09/2005 4:23:30 PM PST by Fruitbat
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To: Main Street

A few more people will go out and set fire to their homes?


61 posted on 12/09/2005 4:30:51 PM PST by billhilly (John Murtha, ex Marine. Leading the charge of the Demoquits.)
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To: dha
Correct me if I'm wrong but these two offspring we conceived and born while their "father" was incarcerated. So it that is the case the State of Cali paid for the kids food, shelter, education, et al. I'm glad I left years ago.
62 posted on 12/09/2005 4:38:42 PM PST by Burf (I didnt leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.)
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To: billhilly

Or was this whole `LA city council members fear violence if Williams is executed' nothing less than a shot across the Governator's bow, thus:

"If LA burns again, your political future is toast, Ahnold".


63 posted on 12/09/2005 4:41:49 PM PST by elcid1970
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To: ErnBatavia
"But not the temperature.....the tradition in South Central is to hit the streets only during warmer weather."

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these LOOTERS from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.

64 posted on 12/09/2005 4:46:34 PM PST by Boss_Jim_Gettys (Willing to compromise...NOT)
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To: Main Street

You know, I live in L.A., and it's interesting-- whenevr there is a riot, or unrest- what have you- those areas, whether they were burned yesterday, or 30 years ago- are still desolate today. It's not like people rush in to rebuild. So if downtown L.A. burns a little bit more, it's just going to stay that way for a few centuries.

No one has any loyalty to the country anymore. there are plenty of people that will smile at you when you walk down the street, and say "hola", whoops, I mean "hello", but as soon as they see an in, it's burning and looting. What did Cal Thomas say? Out of many- many?
During WWII lots of Japanese were rounded up because they were thought to be potential combatants. These days-- who would we have to lock up/deport. Not a few I imagine- and not Japanese.


65 posted on 12/09/2005 5:00:03 PM PST by emiller
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To: Burf

You left? good for you- ha ha

So where did you end up? I'm thinking of taking off one of these days too. L.A. is just not what it used to be. Es no mas. Any suggestions as to some good places to escape, whoops, I mean move to?


66 posted on 12/09/2005 5:03:08 PM PST by emiller
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To: Main Street


I for one am getting sick and tired of blacks using the rioting threat to get what they want.

The pos is a cop killer if we don't execute them then who will we execute, only those that hollywood and blacks won't rally against?


67 posted on 12/09/2005 5:07:27 PM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: emiller
We are currently in the Peoples Republic of Minnesota home of Moscow on the Mississippi. It was 15 below zero the night before last. Maybe I just do a reverse illegal immigrant move, head to Panama or Costa Rica! I am grateful however for not having to listen to Pelosi, Boxer, Feinstein et al on the nightly news.
Merry Christmas. Stock up on ammo just in case Tookie gets smoked.
68 posted on 12/09/2005 5:25:16 PM PST by Burf (I didnt leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.)
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To: Main Street

Why doesn't the city just hire the Bloods or MS13 to provide security in the affected areas for a couple of days prior to and after the execution. Those people are no friends to Tookie's Crips, so they should keep things locked up tight. Of course if things between the various factions got too far out of control, Ahnuld could always send in the CNG and take 'em all out. 8^)


69 posted on 12/09/2005 5:28:59 PM PST by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: Main Street

Oh goody. I just found out, within the last 15 minutes, that my nephew, who I thought was well out (having sold his first two novels and their movie rights) is back on "the job" in the LAPD and even back in uniform after having worked the gang/drug task force as an investigator for the last few years. After selling his novels he didn't have to work anymore and took extended leave, but he was getting stir crazy just writing (doing edits and the screenplay). He needed a "day job" where he could interact with people. Now he's back just in time for more Rodney King nonsense.

Just what I needed. More reasons to worry about him.

The good thing about his job (besides giving him the material for his books) is that it has turned him from a typical California public school liberal into a steely eyed realist (read conservative). It's much more fun to talk to him now ;^>

Say a few prayers for the safety of all the good folks, particularly the good guys in the thin blue line, and my nephew in particular.


70 posted on 12/09/2005 5:31:38 PM PST by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: Surtur

71 posted on 12/09/2005 5:51:59 PM PST by BurbankKarl (NRA EPL)
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To: Joe 6-pack

72 posted on 12/09/2005 5:56:23 PM PST by BurbankKarl (NRA EPL)
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To: aft_lizard
I say we bring out the three strikes rule against LA if it riots again.

Anyone who was physically close to the L.A. riots of the '90s came away with a commitment to see it never, ever happen again. I remember the street party atmosphere generated by ordinary people splitting up looted merchandise. It spoiled for me forever the image of that community's normalcy and capacity for good will. I am not hoping the riots recur. But if they do, a lot of people to be jailed and, frankly, physically stopped in the act.

73 posted on 12/09/2005 6:03:52 PM PST by Tax Government (Support the Ann Coulter Act of 2006. No free speech at colleges ==> no fed funds.)
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To: newfrpr04

I tuned in to John & Ken the other night, but they were off on another subject that night... but, trust me when you leave California, there is very little you will miss about it.


74 posted on 12/09/2005 6:46:11 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: emiller
After the first riots in the 60's they lost -- make that burned -- most of their businesses. The business didn't return and then they started whining about no jobs, expensive food if they bought from the corner mom and pop or having to travel to buy their food, etc...

Never once did anyone go -- golly gee, we burned out neighborhood business because they were owned by white men and now we don't have any local services...

If that wasn't enough, people were afraid to drive through there so they took the freeways around to get to LAX and any business they had left was practically starved out by lack of customers.

After the riots in the early 90's people were even less inclined to go into the neighborhoods and spend money -- until a year ago when Walmart was behind a huge proposed shopping center with resturants, jobs, etc... and who comes marching in telling them to vote NO on this -- Jessie, Al, Maxine, etc... and did they vote for the jobs and improving the neighborhood -- no! They listened to their annointed leader(s) and voted it down.

75 posted on 12/09/2005 6:54:10 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: emiller

Where ever you move, ditch the license plates ASAP -- Californian's are not the most popular new neighbors wherever they move these days... the reputation preceeds you.


76 posted on 12/09/2005 6:55:14 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Main Street

riot, riot, riot!!

Why? Because the man... the 1/3 Mexican, 1/3 White, and 1/3 other in California....


I said, when I first heard this case, that they'd riot after the dude is dead.


77 posted on 12/09/2005 6:56:58 PM PST by Porterville (Beware the Egyptian Politics)
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To: boomop1
.........he will be history as far as reelection chances.

He's already history.....

78 posted on 12/09/2005 6:59:24 PM PST by Osage Orange (Molon Labe)
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To: Tax Government
I still remember when they attacked Reginald Denny for no reason other than being at the wrong intersection at the wrong time. Watching it on TV was surreal.

Totally changed his life. He lives out here now (quieter life and lifestyle) and we see him around town once in a while.

79 posted on 12/09/2005 7:01:25 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Main Street
"We picked up information that led us to believe that there were some planned and intentioned acts of violence that could occur in the wake of the decision or the execution planned for Stan "Tookie" Williams,"

Some not too subtle threats.

If Tookie is executed they will riot, burn everything down and then the government will have to buy them new stuff and have a program to help them.

If Tookie is not executed they will have demonstrated their power over the government.

80 posted on 12/09/2005 7:03:29 PM PST by oldbrowser (The U.S. Senate is a quagmire.)
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To: calljack

It is Mad Maxine's specialty..


81 posted on 12/09/2005 8:29:32 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Main Street
The black community in L.A. has borne the brunt of the evil created by this gang master Williams.

Something tells me the only violence will be by the gang bangers. The average person in South Central will sit this one out.
82 posted on 12/09/2005 9:14:49 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: Arizona Carolyn

He was giving inspirational talks from prison? Let's follow that thread -- WE PAID FOR IT. Don't you think? Maybe the Late Great State of California paid for it. "We have no money for the schools." (roll/eyes)


83 posted on 12/11/2005 8:20:47 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: Tax Government
We left SO CAL (Long Beach) in '95. I remember well the Rodney King riots, and they played a huge role in our decision to leave all our family and get the h*ll out. Buildings were burned very near where my wife worked. And her jerk off boss still made her come into work in that sh** hole neighborhood.

I took a huge pay cut for a job in Oregon but I never regretted leaving for ONE SECOND.

84 posted on 12/11/2005 8:46:33 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Arizona Carolyn
Lord, I remember seeing them throw brick against his head, and dance a little jig afterword. Unbelievable. What a mess that was. The Cop's were ready to go in a kick some a$$, but the mayor called Chief Gates, and told him to let the rioter blow off some steam. How many lives were ruined or lost because of that idiot Bradley.

Man I hated it there.

85 posted on 12/11/2005 8:52:27 AM PST by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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To: Main Street

Arnold, don't do it. Let justice do its work. This Tookie showed no sympathy and no remorse for his victims. These kooks begging for his clemency are idiots.

As for the disenfranchised, they will riot because all the stuff they "redisributed" to themselves back on April 29, 1992 is old and worn-out. Mama needs new furniture and the kids need a new TV. Just so everyone knows, its not only the blacks that riot. The Pep Boys auto store on Hoover/Washington in south LA was looted and burned, even though it is located in a 100% mexican area.

Yup, they'll take what they want and then burn the city up, all in the name of justice. Ahhh, life is so wonderful living in a city controlled and run by DEMOCRATS.


86 posted on 12/11/2005 1:10:38 PM PST by UglyinLA
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