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Israel readies forces for strike on nuclear Iran
The Sunday Times ^ | December 11, 2005 | Uzi Mahnaimi, Tel Aviv, and Sarah Baxter, Washington

Posted on 12/10/2005 6:48:44 PM PST by rhainw

ISRAEL’S armed forces have been ordered by Ariel Sharon, the prime minister, to be ready by the end of March for possible strikes on secret uranium enrichment sites in Iran, military sources have revealed. The order came after Israeli intelligence warned the government that Iran was operating enrichment facilities, believed to be small and concealed in civilian locations.

Iran’s stand-off with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) over nuclear inspections and aggressive rhetoric from Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, who said last week that Israel should be moved to Europe, are causing mounting concern.

The crisis is set to come to a head in early March, when Mohamed El-Baradei, the head of the IAEA, will present his next report on Iran. El-Baradei, who received the Nobel peace prize yesterday, warned that the world was “losing patience” with Iran.

A senior White House source said the threat of a nuclear Iran was moving to the top of the international agenda and the issue now was: “What next?” That question would have to be answered in the next few months, he said.

Defence sources in Israel believe the end of March to be the “point of no return” after which Iran will have the technical expertise to enrich uranium in sufficient quantities to build a nuclear warhead in two to four years.

“Israel — and not only Israel — cannot accept a nuclear Iran,” Sharon warned recently. “We have the ability to deal with this and we’re making all the necessary preparations to be ready for such a situation.”

The order to prepare for a possible attack went through the Israeli defence ministry to the chief of staff. Sources inside special forces command confirmed that “G” readiness — the highest stage — for an operation was announced last week.

Gholamreza Aghazadeah, head of the Atomic Organisation of Iran, warned yesterday that his country would produce nuclear fuel. “There is no doubt that we have to carry out uranium enrichment,” he said.

He promised it would not be done during forthcoming talks with European negotiators. But although Iran insists it wants only nuclear energy, Israeli intelligence has concluded it is deceiving the world and has no intention of giving up what it believes is its right to develop nuclear weapons.

A “massive” Israeli intelligence operation has been underway since Iran was designated the “top priority for 2005”, according to security sources.

Cross-border operations and signal intelligence from a base established by the Israelis in northern Iraq are said to have identified a number of Iranian uranium enrichment sites unknown to the the IAEA.

Since Israel destroyed the Osirak nuclear reactor in Iraq in 1981, “it has been understood that the lesson is, don’t have one site, have 50 sites”, a White House source said.

If a military operation is approved, Israel will use air and ground forces against several nuclear targets in the hope of stalling Tehran’s nuclear programme for years, according to Israeli military sources.

It is believed Israel would call on its top special forces brigade, Unit 262 — the equivalent of the SAS — and the F-15I strategic 69 Squadron, which can strike Iran and return to Israel without refuelling.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: attack; forces; iran; irannukes; israel; nuclear; strike; war
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To: benjibrowder

Family Guy is very liberal. It's full of little remarks and asides against Republicans. Remember, it's set in Rhode Island. Of course, the lead character making the remarks is a crude pig....


151 posted on 12/10/2005 9:05:19 PM PST by Luke21 (Political correctness is the insane religion of our rulers.)
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To: 10mm

My kind of women! ;-)


152 posted on 12/10/2005 9:05:40 PM PST by wolficatZ (Jonathan Quayle Higgins III - "Zeus...Apollo...Patrol!"....)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

We should declare war on Iran. Next, we should begin saturation bombing of the Iran-Iraq border. Then, Mullahs should start turning up dead in large numbers.


153 posted on 12/10/2005 9:06:33 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (De gustibus non est disputandum.)
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To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

Russia is mentioned here but people should understand that the wounded and humiliated Bear may not stand quiet while its client state is pulverized.

This is the ugly World War III scenario. The evil Bear is alligned with the evil mullahs.

Bush does not understand or know Russia's history or Putin's soul. He has been misled by interim agreements on other issues.


154 posted on 12/10/2005 9:12:20 PM PST by romanesq
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To: toddrundgrenisgod

Something/Anything?


155 posted on 12/10/2005 9:13:39 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy (Those who beat their swords into plow shears….will plow for those who don’t.)
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To: romanesq
Russia is mentioned here

Where?

156 posted on 12/10/2005 9:14:20 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Declare War?
Are you sure you are talking about our Congress?


157 posted on 12/10/2005 9:15:45 PM PST by no-to-illegals
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To: rhainw

http://inhonor.net/videos/uped/fl_video.php?f_num=52900
Iran's royal presentation
Iranian soldiers showing-off their artistic side.


158 posted on 12/10/2005 9:15:51 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: rhainw

http://www.lauramansfield.com/j/120905_threat.asp

9 December 2005: Iran's President: OIC agreed any threat against any OIC memberwill be seen as threat to entire Islamic world

I don't like the sound of this at all.

If this statement is true, then the Organization of Islamic Countries has decided that any action against a member country would be considered as a threat to all of the countries, and would require action.

I'd like to see a transcription from the OIC conference in Mecca to see if this is actually what they decided.

But how they plan to enforce this is another matter...

President (Mahmud) Ahmadinezhad, who had gone to Saudi Arabia in order to attend the extraordinary summit of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), returned to Tehran this morning.

Speaking to reporters after arriving in Tehran, the president commented on the Mecca summit and said:

(Ahmadinezhad, recording) One of the most important decisions taken was about supporting the member states against foreign threats. The resolution of the summit said that any threat against any member of the OIC will be tantamount to threatening the entire world of Islam. This paves the way to defending the Islamic territories as well as compiling and signing joint security and defence pacts. Moreover, (it paves the way) to defending the rights of Muslims all over the world, in particular in those states where Muslims are in the minority. This was approved by the summit too.

We are witnessing that, today in the world, hostility to Islam is promoted in an organized manner and those opposing Islam are given support. The summit made good decisions to combat hostility against Islam in the world.

In connection with the issue of creating an affinity among various Islamic sects, which is the foundation of the Islamic ummah's (nation's) unity, fortunately all the various sects that are practised in the Islamic world today were formally recognized. This was mentioned in the official charter of the OIC. The names of Sunni and Shi'i sects were written down, indicating that all of these sects are recognized in all Islamic countries. It was made a future agenda of the summit and member states to endeavour and create affinity and encourage talks among these sects.


159 posted on 12/10/2005 9:16:51 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: rhainw
It's still difficult to understand why the mullahs in Iran think they can pick this fight and come out the winner. Even if they achieve total surprise and drop a nuke on Israel, Israel's subs would deliver their own withering attack upon Iran's population centers and military sites and turn Iran into a smoking pile of radioactive dust.

I know the mullahs are crazy, but their posture defies all logic.
160 posted on 12/10/2005 9:19:13 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: Nasty McPhilthy
Something/Anything?

We got a Get You A Woman....but would David Clayton Thomas approve?

161 posted on 12/10/2005 9:20:45 PM PST by toddrundgrenisgod
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To: reagan_fanatic

war is alway beyond explanation and war always defies logic, but regrettably war is sometimes necessary.


162 posted on 12/10/2005 9:21:07 PM PST by no-to-illegals
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I agree. Here are 2 of my posts on prior threads that propose one approach to the issue.






Kurds drift toward autonomy, away from Iraq's daily violence

Posted by Kevin OMalley to Camerican
On News/Activism 01/03/2005 1:51:59 PM PST · 7 of 7


I thought it would be cool for us to set up security for the Kurds on their southern border with Iraq, rewarding them for their bravery in defying Saddam Hussein. We put in some military bases there for, say, 20 years as part of the occupation of Iraq in their transition to democracy. We guarantee the autonomy of Iraqi Kurdistan as long as they don't engage with Turkey. But that doesn't say anything about engaging with Iranian Kurdistan. Within those 20 years the Kurds could have a secure and independent nation with expanding borders into Iran. After we close down the US bases, Kurdistan is on her own. But at least Kurdistan would be an independent nation with about half its territory carved out of Persia. If Turkey doesn't relinquish her claim on Turkish Kurdistan after that, it isn't our problem, it's 2 of our allies fighting each other, one for independence and the other for regional primacy. I support democratic independence over a bullying arrogant minority.







Armed Kurds fomenting unrest in Iran pose security threat to Tehran

Posted by Kevin OMalley to F14 Pilot
On News/Activism 08/29/2005 4:18:19 PM PDT · 16 of 17


The kurds are the closest thing we have to friends in that area. They fought against Saddam (got nerve-gassed), they're fighting against Iran, they squabble with our so-called ally Turkey (who didn't allow Americans to operate in the north of Iraq this time around).

It's time for them to have their own country. They deserve it. They carve Kurdistan out of northern Iraq, northern Iran, and eastern Turkey. If Turkey gets angry, we let them know that there are consequences to turning your back on your "friend".


163 posted on 12/10/2005 9:22:01 PM PST by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: California Patriot
The ideal situation would be for Israel to attack Iran then we enter. It would be an easy sell and the MSM and the Dems would shut up. Even the damn UN will back it. I think the best thing to do would be to use air strikes to overthrow the government and let the freedom fighters take over the government then we can send a peacekeeping force. A ground war would be tough, Iran's terrain is very mountainous.
164 posted on 12/10/2005 9:27:19 PM PST by NorthEastRepublican
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To: no-to-illegals
I don't believe the people or the Iranian Resistance is armed.

I don't believe the iranian resistance exists, except for a couple hundred university students.

Dr Zin and fellow travelers make a big noise here on FR, but in fact there seems to be more resistance in Communist China and Cuba.

165 posted on 12/10/2005 9:28:20 PM PST by adamsjas
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To: Mom MD
".........play with the rest of the Muslim states (IMHO)"

Precisely where they have placed themselves...

They failed to behave as an ally, when they refused transit across Turkey for the Northern Invasion of Iraq --- making it more dangerous for those coming from the South...

It certainly contributed to other problems, all of which led to more Coalition blood being spilled ---- and movement of "unknown" assets into Syria...

Turkey remains more Muslim than Western Ally....
I haven't seen any justification to see them otherwise.

Semper Fi

166 posted on 12/10/2005 9:37:57 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Zack Nguyen

It's hard to imagine that 14 guys would fly jets into tall buildings knowing that to do so would mean near instant extinction.


167 posted on 12/10/2005 9:42:38 PM PST by Da Mav
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To: toddrundgrenisgod

Absolutly! God Bless the Child.

However, I don't know what Burton Cummings responce would be.


168 posted on 12/10/2005 9:43:57 PM PST by Nasty McPhilthy (Those who beat their swords into plow shears….will plow for those who don’t.)
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To: Babsig

Count it as a regular disinformation piece. Whatever'll be done will be done in a surprise manner, like an ICBM warhead landing.


169 posted on 12/10/2005 9:44:34 PM PST by GSlob
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To: rhainw; All

IMHO, the RNC and ANY conservative news organization should start RIGHT NOW getting EVERY SINGLE DEM on record and tape with their "opinion" of this, so they can't spin it or deny it later if they felt they made a "bad choice" of which side of the "arguement" they fall on.

Their contradictory "opinions" could be VERY useful in up coming elections, as some of them are now in the Iraqi situation....

...again, just my VERY humble opinion...


170 posted on 12/10/2005 9:47:52 PM PST by musicman
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To: NorthEastRepublican

You may be right. And certainly a ground war would be tough.

It probably does make sense for Israel to take the lead. The Rats will give them a pass, whereas they would not do the same for Bush.


171 posted on 12/10/2005 9:52:35 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: rhainw

good luck boys!


172 posted on 12/10/2005 9:55:50 PM PST by wardaddy (A Christian President whom I like who would say Christmas on his cards is all I ask for.)
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To: rhainw

They're wasting time talking about it. Get on with it already! "The bombing begins in 5 minutes."


173 posted on 12/10/2005 9:57:20 PM PST by newzjunkey (FOUR-time murderer & Crips gang-founder Tookie Williams *must* be put to death as sentenced)
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To: rhainw

For a minute there I thought this was Debka. Who the hell tells everyone they're going to do a surprise attack?


174 posted on 12/10/2005 10:00:07 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: strategofr

There's a wealth of fun build your own atomic bomb projects like this one on the web to speed things up a bit.

http://www.nuc.berkeley.edu/neutronics/todd/nuc.bomb.html


175 posted on 12/10/2005 10:00:54 PM PST by generalhammond
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To: rhainw

***It'll be WWIII, I doubt have any doubt in my mind.***

It's already WW#, and has been since 1979. We just didn't realize it until 9/11 2001....


176 posted on 12/10/2005 10:03:56 PM PST by tcrlaf
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To: DoughtyOne

The Carter legacy, the legacy that keeps on giving.


177 posted on 12/10/2005 10:14:47 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: benjibrowder
listening to all of the info soon to be found out about Iran's involvement in terrorism over the past few decades

A). The media will cover it up.
B). The left will claim it was planted by Bush/Cheney/Rove
C). They'll dust off the Abu Graib headlines and we'll see the guy in the black robe ... yet again.

178 posted on 12/10/2005 10:24:29 PM PST by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: jb6
Who the hell tells everyone they're going to do a surprise attack?

We tell our enemies well in advance ... what are they gonna do except use the democrat's "cut and run" defense?

179 posted on 12/10/2005 10:25:54 PM PST by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: Babsig
Myself I find Ariel Sharon a world class strategist and have full confidence in his judgment.

Von Moltke the Elder considered General George Washington as one of the greatest five strategists of all time. Von Moltke said that Washington was a master of the political aspect of war. Von Clausewitz pointed out that "War is an extension of politics by other means", meaning that politics and war are one thing, as in "the arm is an extension of the body". War is an extension of politics. Equally, you can say "War is an aspect of politics". The old story of Alexander the Great and his cutting of the Gordian knot is about this.

I shall watch events with interest. A Grand Master is at work.
180 posted on 12/10/2005 10:29:46 PM PST by Iris7 ("Dare to be pigheaded! Stubbornness is a virtue (but Tolerance IS NOT!!)!!!" :-))
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To: rhainw

2006 is shaping up to be a most interesting year.


181 posted on 12/10/2005 10:36:04 PM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON!)
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To: newzjunkey
Remember that the bombing DID NOT begin in five minutes. Nonetheless the cold war was won. Politics are ("politics" is plural not singular) all about pecking order, social hierarchies, who commands and who obeys. So is war. War and politics are different words for the same thing. One can say war is bloodier and more ruthless than politics, but then one would have to admit that because the Ukraine famine in the 1930's and the GULAG killed perhaps 70-100 million people then the real killer is not war but politics. Another interesting fact is that the Chinese have always ruled through famine and punitive expeditions induced for political reasons. Famine and massacre are not war, more like "giving them an offer they can't refuse".

As an example remember how you feel when preparing for April 15th.

I attempt to discuss this in my #180.
182 posted on 12/10/2005 10:49:39 PM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! Tolerance is not a virtue!)
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To: Iris7

This is saber rattling. It has a purpose in and of itself. It is designed to influence the current political balance and prevent trends extant from congealing into war. Since it defines causus belli clearly, it itcreases the liklihood of war but it also gives all parties an opportunity to avoid use of force. It provides focus.


183 posted on 12/10/2005 10:51:33 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Indeed it is.

Saber rattling is meaningless without the saber, shall we say. To work there has to be a real threat of war.

As far as Israel and Sharon are concerned I find my reaction to Sharon's gambit curiosity about the ways and means he intends to employ to carry out his threat if and perhaps when he must. Logistics particularly.

Of course Sharon is talking about using nuclear weapons because the Iranian installations are many, large, and reasonably well defended.

Martial Monk, eh? Always had a weak spot for the Templars and Hospitalers myself. By the way, and of course, those fellows were overwhelmingly French.
184 posted on 12/10/2005 11:04:41 PM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! Tolerance is not a virtue!)
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To: rhainw

"Cross-border operations and signal intelligence from a base established by the Israelis in northern Iraq are said to have identified a number of Iranian uranium enrichment sites unknown to the the IAEA. "

A base in Norther iraq? if true, i am amaze3d it hasn't been mentioned elsewhere.


185 posted on 12/10/2005 11:05:51 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: rhainw

The piece is published by the timesonline.co.uk. Is it western Europe's wishful thinking, or will Israel really do Europe's dirty work again?

New Iran missiles can reach London
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1227123/posts


186 posted on 12/10/2005 11:18:12 PM PST by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Iris7
I try to imagine how I would handle this if I were smarter than I am. Do we have a clue in the success of Israel's decapitation of the leadership of Hamas? Nuclear would add a dimension with implications that I can barely grasp. It has been off the table except for cases of national survival since Nagasaki. We lost two wars rather than use it. For the Jews to use it would define their resolve but it would also open an agonizing introspection. Are they willing to do that at this time?

I would guess that a more likely scenerio would be massive conventional destruction of what can be located and destroyed and a simultaneous attack on the government of Iran. Ignore the military but destroy the government as completely and deeply as possible. Go after the brain rather than the muscle. Invite them to reconstitute and provide more targets. A collapsed and chaotic country may not be as willing or able to pursue the destruction of Israel.

187 posted on 12/10/2005 11:35:22 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: rhainw

"It'll be WWIII, I doubt have any doubt in my mind."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
It will lead to Armaggedon....I don't have any doubt in my mind.


188 posted on 12/10/2005 11:36:32 PM PST by cowdog77
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To: MARTIAL MONK
I have thought about the same possibilities you describe and agree on the "agonizing introspection" part.

The reason I brought up the logistics of executing Sharon's threat is that the ground forces and air sorties required are large using the decapitation gambit. I lean towards the idea that the Israelis are in the Kurdish zone because Iran's northwest is even more Kurd than is northeastern Iraq. This will apply great pressure to Turkey to say the very least. Perhaps the Turks will talk turkey, Eh? Heh, heh.

An Israeli military presence of some size, a few divisions, and a pair of modern air force bases (promised to the Kurds after Iran is dealt with), good ground logistical support through the Sunni controlled south of Iraq (hard to accomplish), a major human intelligence operation into Iran, etc., leading up to serious violence in time -

Of course I am an absolute neophyte in this stuff compared to Ariel Sharon. Sharon is truly formidable.

You Iranian Ministry of Intelligence and Security types reading this thread are really in a pickle. I wonder if you wonder if you can chew what you have bitten off. Actually, the answer is no, you can't. Tough luck, lads.
189 posted on 12/11/2005 12:10:07 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! Tolerance is not a virtue!)
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To: 76834

And not just pray.

Read Ezekiel 38, 39 and Zechariah 12-14 and the book of Revelation.

The greatest ass-kicking of all time.


190 posted on 12/11/2005 1:46:50 AM PST by Ban Draoi Marbh Draoi ( Gen. 12:3: a warning to all anti-semites.)
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To: F15Eagle

There are no S-300 systems in Iran or the Gulf region. It does not appear on any threat list for Coalition forces stationed there. The Russians will probably supply the S-300 sytstem in the future. The SA-15 deal in my opinion was just the tester and the deal for S-300s will probably follow. The Russians will probably lease them to Iran and station them around nuclear facilities that have Russian personell in them.


191 posted on 12/11/2005 1:55:11 AM PST by Tommyjo
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To: Mom MD

" Syria is in this up to their eyeballs. " ...... they always have, even in the Old Testament.


192 posted on 12/11/2005 2:32:26 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: NorthEastRepublican

Makes sense to me too. Israel hits them hard, Iran retaliates by attacking US ships in the Persian Gulf, US responds in self-defense with possible British support in the south and Kurd uprisings in the north.

UN will still be upset, but irrelevant. Russia & China will not be amused. MSM & Dems go nuts.


193 posted on 12/11/2005 2:32:41 AM PST by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: rhainw

Perhaps the date is off, and they're ready right now.


194 posted on 12/11/2005 2:35:19 AM PST by hershey
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To: don-o

I agree.


195 posted on 12/11/2005 2:37:43 AM PST by hershey
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To: wolficatZ

God Bless Israel


196 posted on 12/11/2005 2:47:18 AM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: toddrundgrenisgod; rhainw
Do you work for Debka?

Now why would you say that to someone who expressed an on thread opinion?

Do you have an agenda?

197 posted on 12/11/2005 3:33:15 AM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: rhainw

The MSM keeps saying that the stuff is dispersed and buried deep. I hope both Israel (and we) know where it is. Whatever happens, Israel (and Bush) will be blamed internationally; so we might as well get it over with before it is too late.


198 posted on 12/11/2005 3:57:42 AM PST by Malesherbes
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To: rhainw

This will be Sharon's defining moment; no matter the politics, the man is and always will be a soldier. His mission is to defend his country, and my prayers are with him and Israel.

These vermin think nothing of eradicating innocent women and children. The current president of Iran has avowed that even if Israel retaliates and kills 30 million muslims, it would still be worth it because all the Jews would then be wiped out. Words such as these betray madness of the sort that once inhabited the likes of Hitler, Stalin & Mao.

Now more than ever, we need a modern day Gideon and three hundred brave warriors blessed by God to face and destroy this filth -- and we should assist, the devil be damned with international consequences! It's time we took the genie that Carter let out of the bottle back in the 70's and forcefully choked it back down into whatever cesspool it first crawled out from.

Never forget 1983... 241 Marines silently stand guard upon the streets of heaven because of the mullahs; it's high time that outstanding account was put paid to.

CGVet58


199 posted on 12/11/2005 5:24:35 AM PST by CGVet58 (God has granted us Liberty, and we owe Him Courage in return)
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To: onyx

I thought it was decided Israels best planes can barely even reach the sites.


200 posted on 12/11/2005 6:02:30 AM PST by omega4179 (Seal the borders.)
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