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Woman died on cannabis drug trial
BBC ^ | 12/12/05 | bbc

Posted on 12/12/2005 11:26:03 AM PST by minus_273

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To: rhombus

Really, and that she died because of it. Let's see, a 69 yr old diabetic whose kidneys aren't functioning properly could probably get mental even if she hadn't been before.


101 posted on 12/12/2005 1:02:21 PM PST by tiki
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To: minus_273

"pot...mental problems" All I know is that almost all the great songwriters of the sixties had very short creative periods. Then they got all the money they needed to smoke as much dope as they wanted. Subsequently the quality of their music went downhill fast. Evidence: Paul McCartney's sappy post-Beatles career.


102 posted on 12/12/2005 1:33:17 PM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: minus_273
It wasn’t pot. Sativex is a marijuana based drug, not marijuana. In order for the drug companies to make any money from it, they have to alter the THC or include outer additives in their form of the drug. Better stick with the real thing.
103 posted on 12/12/2005 1:38:03 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
Dope kills.

Pharmaceuticals kill.
Doctors kill.
104 posted on 12/12/2005 1:40:02 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Xenalyte
to express her hope that he'd never "shot weed."

Oh yes. All those hippies setting around shooting up pot, smoking LSD …
105 posted on 12/12/2005 1:41:55 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: MadManDan
Now now Mr. MadMan, don't go being hateful. I thought pot made you folks "mellow". LOL
106 posted on 12/12/2005 1:52:04 PM PST by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Ashamed Canadian
I'm no hippy. I'm an extremely clean-cut guy sitting here wearing a suit and tie as I type this. I was a little mean with my post though. Sorry about that. The point I was trying to make was that marijuana grown indoors in Canada is no better than marijuana grown indoors here in the U.S.. Some of it is really powerful, some not so powerful. On average indoor grown product will be stronger though because growers can charge more for stronger stuff. Indoor growing is a costly, labor intensive process. Growing space is generally limited, as is the reach of the expensive grow lights, so to maximize profits they try to grow the best stuff they can grow. Pot is grown indoors just about everywhere, but there are a lot of places down in the U.S. where it makes more sense to just grow outdoors in our favorable climate or buy cheap commercial grade (usually Mexican) pot. There are a lot of places down here where indoor grown pot is rare simply because there is so much reasonable quality commercial grade pot at a tiny fraction of the price. Down south where I live indoor growing isn't that popular both because people aren't willing to pay four or five times as much or more for indoor grown product that isn't nearly as many times as strong, and because it is so hot for so much of the year down here that it would cost a fortune to cool the grow rooms with all the high wattage lamps and inefficient power ballasts used with indoor growing that jack the heat way up.

I don't believe a lot of this hype about marijuana being so much stronger than it used to be and I don't believe at all that marijuana grown indoors in Canada is better than that grown indoors here. I'm a middle-aged guy with kids and job that keeps me really busy. I stay away from pot nowadays, but I did smoke it when I was younger. I never was a "hippy" or even a major pothead, but I have smoked super powerful pot as well as that that would just give you a headache and a sore throat. The first time I smoked it was in 1978. It was some potent outdoor grown sinsemilla. There was a lot of strong pot and hash available back then. I smoked a little throughout the 1980's and 1990's as well, and even smoked some a couple of years ago at a class reunion with some old friends. From my experience I can tell you that there was always strong pot available. If it's gotten stronger on average over the years it hasn't been by that much. Although I will say that the percentage of stuff you wouldn't want to smoke like seeds, stems, and leaves found in bags of commercial grade did drop and more indoor grown marijuana did become available on the market.

But none of this really matters because even the strongest pot out there will not get you any higher than some decent commercial grade marijuana, you just might have to smoke a few more puffs of the weaker stuff. People are not getting any higher today than they were twenty or thirty years ago. Whether they are buying cheap Mexican pot for $25 a quarter ounce and smoking five or six or more puffs at a time or buying expensive indoor grown pot for $25 a gram and smoking a puff or two at a time, they end up with the same results. And people aren't generally smoking nearly as much of the expensive stuff as they would the cheap stuff because 1) it's just too expensive, and 2) not everyone is out trying to get just as stoned as they possibly can. People tend to have a level they like to reach, whether it's just the mild pleasant buzz state I liked, on up to a fairly heavy "stone." They tend to know about what it takes to get them to the level they want and they tend to quit when they get there. Even the ones who like to get really stoned don't often smoke much more than it takes them to get to that level because there seems to be a point you reach where you won't feel any different no matter how much more pot you smoke. Smoking more would be a waste, and most people don't want to waste pot they paid some ridiculous $25 a gram or something to buy.

All of this crap about today's "super pot" being so much worse for people than the stuff people were smoking twenty years ago is nothing but hype. It's just a way to con all of us older people who smoked pot when we were younger into believing what young people are doing today is so much worse than what we did ourselves. It's not. This is just more sham from the government, more hype to justify their policies and thwart those who want to see marijuana legal and regulated like alcohol.

Look closely at government numbers and you will see that tests results show that on average marijuana seized in this country is relatively weak. They'll make big claims about pot that is 25% or 30% THC. They'll say this Canadian or hydroponic pot they found is up to 25 or 30%, but they won't test it. They'll just infer that it is that strong even though if in fact any samples ever tested out that high only a couple have. The real truth is that indoor grown pot tends to test out at between 10% and 15% whether it comes from Canada or the US. Samples of all marijuana seized in the U.S. average about 5.2% THC, and this includes commercial grade along with indoor and outdoor sinsemilla. Sinsemilla has never averaged more than 13% or so in this country. According to the Marijuana Fact Sheet by the ONDCP it averaged about 9% THC a couple of years back when they last did the averages of seized samples. Commercial grade averages just under 5% THC. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if the average of all types of seized marijuana is just 5.2% THC compared to just under 5% for commercial grade and about 9% for sinsemilla, that most of the pot on the market is lower potency commercial grade pot, not the expensive indoor grown stuff. Having a much higher percentage of indoor grown marijuana in Canada than here, no doubt the average potency of marijuana is higher in Canada than here, but like I said before that doesn't really matter that much because people tend to smoke less of the more powerful stuff anyway.

This was a long post, but hopefully you understand what I'm saying. Average potency of marijuana may be higher in Canada because a much greater percentage of that which is on the market there is indoor grown. Indoor grown pot in Canada is the same as indoor grown pot from the U.S. It all tends to be stronger than what the U.S. government calls "commercial grade," but that doesn't matter because people tend to smoke less of the more expensive more powerful stuff than they do of the cheaper weaker stuff.
107 posted on 12/12/2005 1:55:15 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: -YYZ-
"Actually, they smoke it to escape judgemental prigs like yourself." ...... Pot Heads, they always need an excuse. tsk
108 posted on 12/12/2005 1:55:34 PM PST by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: minus_273

Isn't 69 a little old to be in a clinical drug experiment?


109 posted on 12/12/2005 1:59:01 PM PST by lawgirl ("You can try to wipe the memories aside, but it's you that you erase..." Honestly- Billy Corgan)
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To: minus_273
Darn a person had a side affect from a drug, lets ban all drugs and the minerals \ plants they are made from. Come to think of it we had best ban cars and electricity as well people die from both of those every day.

Lets do it for the children.

110 posted on 12/12/2005 2:09:41 PM PST by TheFrog
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To: R. Scott

Deep, man. Don't OD on your dope, Dope.


111 posted on 12/12/2005 2:10:18 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (How long do we have to pretend that the vast majority of Democrats are patriots?)
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To: minus_273

There is a machine for doing both, so your point is?


112 posted on 12/12/2005 2:11:18 PM PST by TheFrog
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To: ActionNewsBill
Nobody died from pot until the drug companies decided to make it safe.

"Post Of The Day" nominee.


Seconded!
113 posted on 12/12/2005 2:16:36 PM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: Ashamed Canadian
Yeah, but Bill, your pot down in the States can't even touch the sh*t that's grown up here. You may be getting our weed down there now, but we've been growing wheelchair weed hydroponically for years.

Finally, Canada has something to be proud of.
114 posted on 12/12/2005 2:22:23 PM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: Ashamed Canadian
Here's a little blip I found on a government website. Note that it says THC levels of indoor marijuana from the U.S. and Canada are typically under 15%. It's all the same stuff.

"Marijuana potency has increased; however, even with the advances in indoor cultivation techniques and marijuana production methods used throughout the United States and Canada (where much of the higher potency marijuana is produced), THC levels remain, typically, under 15 percent. Growers can and do produce marijuana with potency levels over 20 percent; however, not all growers have the capability or the determination either to produce top quality marijuana or to achieve the highest potential yield from their crops. Increasingly, organized crime groups in Canada and, to a lesser extent, the United States are becoming more involved in large-scale marijuana cultivation and are primarily interested in profits. It is unlikely that they will invest the care required to mass-produce top quality marijuana, particularly in the drying, manicuring, and curing stages of production. This trend should help to stabilize or further slow the rise in average potency levels."

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs11/13846/marijuana.htm

From the same site: "The escalating prevalence of higher potency marijuana such as sinsemilla has resulted in an increase in average marijuana potency; however, high potency marijuana constitutes a relatively small portion of the marijuana available throughout the United States. Commercial-grade marijuana is the most widely available type throughout the country."
115 posted on 12/12/2005 2:26:20 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: minus_273
heroin was once legal too

Heroin was developed as a cure for morphine addiction.

Then they had to invent methadone as a cure for heroin addiction.

The Boston Herald just reported that methadone users take taxis to the clinic to get their dope. These taxi rides are paid for by Medicare.

Only in America!
116 posted on 12/12/2005 2:28:23 PM PST by Beckwith (The liberal press has picked sides ... and they have sided with the Islamofascists)
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To: TKDietz

Smoke pot enough and you'll eventually end up on harder things like crack. Everyone knows that.


117 posted on 12/12/2005 2:30:20 PM PST by Ashamed Canadian (America - please invade us now!!)
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To: Ashamed Canadian

I hope you just forgot to add a sarcasm tag to that post.


118 posted on 12/12/2005 2:41:25 PM PST by somniferum
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To: somniferum
Dopers = Monkey see Monkey do. It's hard to tell them apart.
119 posted on 12/12/2005 3:05:48 PM PST by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: SunnySide

LOL

Is that like saying they all look alike? :P


120 posted on 12/12/2005 3:07:36 PM PST by somniferum
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To: gdani; FormerACLUmember
"But you claimed (as shown above) that: "People die from marijuana pneumonitis and allergic reactions all the time"

"Hamadeh and associates. Chest, Vol. 94/2, pp.432-433, 1988. "Invasive aspergillosis has become a significant cause of death in immunosuppressed patients". Physicians should be aware of this potentially lethal complication of marijuana use in compromised hosts such as patients with AIDS or malignancies.)"

"Transplantation, Vol. 61, June 27, 1996. (Marijuana smoke transmits aspergillosis, a fungus having up to a 90% fatality rate if contracted by transplant patients. Researchers have strongly warned against the use of marijuana in immuno-compromised patients such as those with AIDS, chronic granulomatous disease, bone marrow transplants and those receiving chemotherapy for small cell lung cancer.)"

"Caiffa WT, Vlahov D, Graham NM, Astemborski J, Solomon L, Nelson KE, and Munoz A. Am J Respir Crit Care Med 150:1493-1498, 1994. (Marijuana smoking increases the incidence of bacterial pneumoniae in AIDS patients. HIV positive smokers progress to full-blown AIDS twice as fast as non-smokers.)"

121 posted on 12/12/2005 3:09:32 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Wolfie
"The powers that be are desperate to keep Sativex from being approved in the UK."

It appears as though the patients experimental subjects are doing that for them.

122 posted on 12/12/2005 3:12:36 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: TKDietz
From the same site: "The escalating prevalence of higher potency marijuana such as sinsemilla has resulted in an increase in average marijuana potency; however, high potency marijuana constitutes a relatively small portion of the marijuana available throughout the United States. Commercial-grade marijuana is the most widely available type throughout the country."

Sinsemilla is not a strain of marijuana but rather an unpollinated female plant with bigger flowers/buds because the plant doesn't divert any of its energy towards seed production, it just grows bigger buds and hence produces a higher yield or crop. Potency is determined at a genetic level, some modern hybrid strains from Holland are more potent than others, but don't let the Government confuse you because they do not know the difference between potency and yield.

123 posted on 12/12/2005 3:14:46 PM PST by Geronimo
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To: kenth

We have a winner!


124 posted on 12/12/2005 3:16:32 PM PST by Lady Jag (Honor - Dignity - Courage - Troll Consumption)
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To: Ashamed Canadian
"Smoke pot enough and you'll eventually end up on harder things like crack. Everyone knows that."

I don't think that there is a shred of proof that smoking pot does something to people that makes them all the sudden want to smoke crack or stick needles in their arms. The fact that all illegal drugs tend to flow through the same channels certainly does increase the opportunities people who smoke marijuana will have to do the hard stuff though. Aside from being more likely to be offered these drugs to buy, they are more likely to have the opportunity to share them with other drug users who will not worry about them telling on them because if you smoke marijuana, you are already breaking the law by using one illegal drug and thus are far less likely to tell on others for using different illegal drugs. According to government statistics, people who drink and smoke are also several times more likely than those who do not to use a drug like cocaine. I think this is both because they just happen to be more likely to be the types who would gravitate toward that sort of thing, as is evidenced by their "party" lifestyle, and because they are around a party crowd that are more likely to do that sort of thing so they are more likely to have the opportunity to try these drugs and less likely to have their peers look down on them for doing so. The percentage of those who smoke marijuana who will use other illegal drugs is higher than the percentage of those who will use these substances who only drink but do not smoke pot. I think if pot was legal though and regulated much like alcohol there would be little or no difference between the number of young pot smokers and drinkers who use other drugs.
125 posted on 12/12/2005 3:19:43 PM PST by TKDietz
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To: robertpaulsen

If you are laying awake at night terrified of contracting Aspergillosis, its probably best to avoid hospitals.

Nosocomial aspergillosis

Nosocomial infection is defined as the acquisition of clinical infection as a result of medical intervention, and is usually applied to infections acquired in hospital.

Due to almost constant need for updating and expanding of medical services, renovation and construction are common occurrences in health care facilities. Fungal spores are released during repair, maintenance and construction. The spores are small and stay airborne for considerable periods of time. They may also spread long distances. Exposure to fungal spores constitutes a very serious threat to immunocompromised patients. Water and moisture damage also occur often in hospitals. This may create fungal reservoirs that may lead to adverse health effects even among personnel.

Many of the environmental hazards contributing to invasive aspergillosis have been identified, including unfiltered air, defects in hospital ventilation systems, food items, and possibly hospital water supplies. Stringent environmental controls in transplant units have included high-efficiency air filtration, positive-pressure ventialtion and frequent room air changes. Although there have been several well-documented examples of aspergillosis outbreaks as a result of hospital demolition and reconstruction, it has not always been possible to demonstrate elevated spore counts in clinical areas during building work. Furthermore, the possibility of community-acquired aspergillosis must be considered. These risks can usually be effectively minimized. However, very few studies have linked environmental exposure to cases of invasive aspergillosis.

The exposure pathways regarding nosocomial yeast infections include carriage on healthcare workers hands, contaminated surfaces and medical devices. The environment also may become contaminated with yeasts, but the relative importance of this reservoir is unknown.

Finally, it must be stressed that nursing and medical staff should be educated in the special risks faced by the immunocompromised patient from the normal environment.

The most important nosocomial infection due to Aspergillus spp. is pneumonia.


126 posted on 12/12/2005 3:20:28 PM PST by somniferum
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
Deep, man. Don't OD on your dope, Dope.

I don’t use any kind of dope but what the doc prescribes. One for blood pressure, one for diabetes and the occasional Motrin for arthritis, and the occational shot and beer. Just because I don’t believe Reefer Madness was a documentary, just because I don’t believe the propaganda started by Henry Anslinger, just because I don’t believe the crap put out by those who earn their living from the “War” of drugs does not mean I am a druggie.
127 posted on 12/12/2005 3:26:06 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott; headsonpikes; Sir Gawain; Hemingway's Ghost; libertyman
This is why the Prohibitionists in England, no doubt acting at the behest of their masters in the U.S., are panicking over Sativex, and pulling out all the stops:

GW Pharma Signs European Partner for Cannabis Drug

December 12, 2005

LONDON (Reuters) - GW Pharmaceuticals has agreed to a deal for Spain's Almirall to market its pioneering cannabis-based medicine, Sativex, in European countries excluding the UK, sending its shares higher on Monday.

GW Pharma said it would receive a signature fee of 12 million pounds, within total potential milestone payments of 46 million pounds, and that it would maintain a significant share of long-term product revenues.

At 8:05 a.m., GW Pharma shares were up 14.5 percent at 134.5 pence, valuing the firm at 153 million pounds.

Almirall is Spain's largest pharmaceutical company and one of Europe's biggest private drug companies, with 2005 sales approaching 1 billion euros (673 million pounds), GW Pharma said.

GW Pharma grows thousands of marijuana plants at a secret location in the English countryside, having been granted a dispensation by the government to use the plant for medical research.

Canada became the first country to approve Sativex, an under-the-tongue spray, for sale in April 2005 as a treatment for neuropathic pain in multiple sclerosis patients.

Sativex was initially expected to be approved in Britain by the end of 2003, but has suffered numerous delays.

German drugmaker Bayer is GW Pharma's marketing partner in Canada and the UK.

128 posted on 12/12/2005 4:24:09 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: somniferum
"If you are laying awake at night terrified of contracting Aspergillosis, its probably best to avoid hospitals."

And marijuana.

Like I said.

129 posted on 12/12/2005 4:31:41 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: somniferum

LOL

Is that like saying they all look alike? :P

.....

Yes, Look alike, act alike. All Potheads have that same stoned facial expression. All methheads have that same gaunt scabbed up face and twitchy behavior.


130 posted on 12/12/2005 4:31:58 PM PST by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: Wolfie
"Sativex was initially expected to be approved in Britain by the end of 2003, but has suffered numerous delays."

Yeah, delays caused by not passing clinical trials.

"The Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Authority (MHRA) accepted Sativex’s safety and quality, but said that evidence of its efficacy was not yet sufficiently compelling. The company has already started the fresh trials of Sativex requested by the MHRA, but results are not due until spring 2006, delaying the launch of the drug to late 2006 or 2007."

Two words, Wolfie: Snake and Oil.

131 posted on 12/12/2005 4:42:43 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: R. Scott

In my book, you don't have to take illegal drugs to be a druggie.


132 posted on 12/12/2005 4:56:47 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (How long do we have to pretend that the vast majority of Democrats are patriots?)
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To: SunnySide

No aim to be hateful... I just thought I had a cool haircut, and then you hurt my feelings! PS how'd you know what my hair looks like? (MadMan looking around all paranoid) Where's my aluminum helmet??? Merry Christmas.


133 posted on 12/12/2005 6:58:54 PM PST by MadManDan
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To: Ashamed Canadian

CRACK!!! (Dave Chappelle: "Joe Rogan, there's something about me you might not know, I smoke rocks!")


134 posted on 12/12/2005 7:04:50 PM PST by MadManDan
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To: robertpaulsen

And yet approved in Canada and Europe. I'd say Uncle Sam's hand is up the ass of his puppets in the U.K.


135 posted on 12/12/2005 7:12:25 PM PST by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie
"Canada is the first country to approve Sativex®. The Health Protection Branch has granted the drug a Notice of Compliance with conditions (NOCc). NOCc’s are granted for drugs with promising benefit and acceptable safety profiles. Because of the conditions, Bayer must submit further data from clinical trials to Health Canada before the conditions will be removed.

As to Europe, I don't care.

136 posted on 12/12/2005 7:19:29 PM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: Wolfie

If Sativex is approved in Europe it will raise the propaganda put out by our “esteemed and trusted” government bureaucrats to perpetuate the “marijuana has no legitimate use” line.


137 posted on 12/13/2005 2:50:46 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington

So in your mind, anyone who doubts the Official Government Line is a druggie?


138 posted on 12/13/2005 2:51:37 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott

Anyone who aids and abets the use of illegal drugs is a druggie.


139 posted on 12/13/2005 2:57:57 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (How long do we have to pretend that the vast majority of Democrats are patriots?)
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To: minus_273
No idiot, she didn't "die from pot". She died from exactly what every idiot drug warrior wants - "a drug made from pot that does everything pot does (not quite as well) but marches lockstep with the government propagandists and allows huge drug companies to make billions on something that doesn't work as well as the natural substance while assuaging WOSD'ers that anybody, somewhere, could be doing something they personally disagree with".

And, hey, and after all, that's what's REALLY important to you guys.... If some people have to die or have their lives and fortunes destroyed on the way to your personal hypocritical drug-free utopia - so be it.

140 posted on 12/13/2005 3:05:51 AM PST by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
Anyone who aids and abets the use of illegal drugs is a druggie.

So I am “aiding and abetting” illegal drug use by pointing out that people also dies from the use of approved pharmaceuticals and incompetent doctors? I am “aiding and abetting” illegal drug use by not believing everything disseminated by government bureaucrats who depend on the “War” on drugs for employment?
141 posted on 12/13/2005 3:12:04 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: FormerACLUmember
No, you WOSD'ers are the biggest bunch of losers I've ever seen.

Nobody claims it's harmless.

What we say is "It's none of your business what I do inside my own home"!!

Is THAT so hard for you to digest.

Do ANY ONE of you WOSD'ers think that there is something YOU do that I might object to...maybe smoking, drinking, eating fatty food, not exercising, engaging in unprotected sex with multiple partners, eating fast-food, using chemical fertilizers, engaging in high-risk sports.

See ALL of these things have consequences. And, as ADULTS, we make choices. However, you folks seem to think your better and smarter than everybody else (typical for fascist liberals - which you are - cause there is no such thing as a "conservative drug-warrior". That is impossible. You merely come off - rightfully so - as "conservative hypocrites").

In addition, all WOSD'er are too stupid to realize that the difference between "high risk activities that are legal" and "high risk activities that are illegal" is an arbitrary distinction, made up by your government based upon who has bribed them with the most money. And, you guys, follow lockstep behind the fascists, spewing out lies, inaccuracies, fallacies and ignorance.

I, personally, think one of the most disgusting traits humans have is hypocrisy. And every WOSD'er I have ever know was and are the BIGGEST hypocrites out there.

You guys make Hillary look principled.

142 posted on 12/13/2005 3:16:45 AM PST by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: -YYZ-

Bravo!!! - and 2112 right back at ya'


143 posted on 12/13/2005 3:18:53 AM PST by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: R. Scott; JTN; headsonpikes; gdani
Some of our "esteemd and trusted" gov't bureaucrats, like ex-Deputy Drug Czar Andrea Barthwell, have done a complete turnaround on medical marijuana. Of course, she had to be placed on the payroll first.
144 posted on 12/13/2005 3:23:03 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: R. Scott

Yes.


145 posted on 12/13/2005 3:31:41 AM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (How long do we have to pretend that the vast majority of Democrats are patriots?)
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To: KeepUSfree; MadManDan
"Nobody claims it's harmless."

Really? Usually there's one like these on every marijuana thread:

"Smoking anything is bad for your lungs, but other than that, pot is freaking harmless."
-- MadManDan, post #43

Maye the two of you pot lovers ought to get together to get your stories straight.

"What we say is "It's none of your business what I do inside my own home"!! Is THAT so hard for you to digest."

Well, yeah, it is. Because you're NOT "doing it in your home". Certainly the 800,000 pot smokers arrested last year weren't "doing it in their own home".

Oh, by the way. We are under no obligation to protect your right to do dope.

146 posted on 12/13/2005 4:32:48 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
First of all - it's just like a fascist to take someone else's words and put them in my mouth. I am not responsible for anyone else's view. Therefore - here it goes: "Pot is bad for you". Big friggin' deal.

Next lie - ask the 800,000 not arrested in their homes. OK, how do you know "how many were arrested in their homes"... you don't you just throw out this figure as if it MEANS something. It doesn't The truth is, you think the Drug-nazis should be able to kick in my door and arrest me in my house for smoking pot - c'mon at least be honest about it - you HATE druggies ... damn the facts, damn the truth, damn the constitution - YOU hate them - they must be destroyed. In fact, you probably get so upset thinking about the druggies that you have to go have a beer and a cigarette to calm yourself down!!!!. Also, how many of those "800000" were USING the pot. Just like someone going to the liquor store, many of those folks were just taking it from one place to another.

Come up with something that isn't based upon pure ignorance and hatred, and I'll be glad to listen. Meanwhile, folks like yourself give the rest of the liberals all the ammunition they need to show what a bunch of Hypocrites the right-wingers are. Drug warriors are nothing but a zit on the face of the constitution.

147 posted on 12/13/2005 5:09:48 AM PST by KeepUSfree (WOSD = fascism pure and simple.)
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To: Wolfie
Follow the money. If a person is earning a living from the “War” on drugs – either as a dealer or enforcer of the law – they will generally want marijuana kept illegal with stiff penalties. If they are paid by the pharmaceutical companies they will want marijuana based drugs legalized.
148 posted on 12/13/2005 5:10:02 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: R. Scott; JTN; libertyman
The reason Sativex is such a problem for the Prohibitionists is because its not a marijuana based drug. It is marijuana in oral spray form - strictly speaking, its liquid weed. And if liquid weed is medicine, so is the plant. Which only leaves the smoked aspect as being a concern, easily circumvented by a vaporizer.
149 posted on 12/13/2005 5:19:05 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: KeepUSfree
OK. Subtract the two dopers who were toking up in their living room when the DEA Nazi thugs broke down their door for kicks.

That still leaves 799,998 potheads on the street with marijuana -- smoking, dealing, and transporting. Those that were caught, that is.

And we're arresting, what, 10% max? That means 8 million potheads walking and driving around in public. So much for your "It's none of your business what I do inside my own home".

150 posted on 12/13/2005 5:21:56 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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