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Iranian students protest ((A FEW PHOTOS))
Various | 12-13-05 | Self

Posted on 12/13/2005 9:31:33 PM PST by Khashayar

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To: PhilDragoo

very well put, Phil


101 posted on 12/14/2005 12:11:24 AM PST by F14 Pilot (Democracy is a process not a product)
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To: Khashayar
Grr. Can't sleep.

Glad to see that you like Locke. Read you some Voltaire too.

By the way, how easy or difficult is it for you to get these books?

102 posted on 12/14/2005 12:30:35 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Khashayar
Many people here speak english fluently!

And therefore protest signs are written in English?

Perhaps protesters here in the US should write sites in Farsi or Korean while protesting? This will make their protest more effective will it?

103 posted on 12/14/2005 12:31:46 AM PST by adamsjas
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To: Khashayar
They won't be our friends after we or the Israelis blow up their nuke plants.

Lock and load.

104 posted on 12/14/2005 12:42:02 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Gordongekko909

Easy! ;-)


105 posted on 12/14/2005 12:53:34 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: adamsjas

may be!


106 posted on 12/14/2005 12:54:20 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Bon mots

That won't happen!


107 posted on 12/14/2005 12:57:03 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Bon mots
Our FRiend Khashayar is an Iranian national. He would prefer that the Ayatollah do a Lebanon-like abdication. I can't blame him for not wanting bombs dropped in Iran, seeing as how he lives there and all.

One of the best side-effects of the invasion of Iraq was the spread of the hope for democracy to the people of the Middle East. We saw the effects of this in Lebanon earlier this year. We are seeing the same thing starting to happen in Iran.

108 posted on 12/14/2005 1:03:01 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Khashayar

I'm confused. A bunch of people doing something...Is this good news or bad news?


109 posted on 12/14/2005 1:14:22 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: Cobra64

good news!


110 posted on 12/14/2005 1:31:54 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: adamsjas
I thought it odd that sign was written in english in a country where virtually no one speaks english.

Idiot!

Have you ever done business in Iran? Our neighbor here in NC is married to an Iranian woman. She speaks perfect English. Her father was a mercantile trader. Her net worth is over U$D 1m. She is married to an American (third generation German descent) who has a net worth of over U$D 2m. They just built a million dollar home on Lake James; no debt.

I guess anyone from Iran is... What?

Uninformed people dopey people will always be dopey.

BTW, my wife is of German descent. She, however, does not wave a swastika over our house.

111 posted on 12/14/2005 1:41:44 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: JCEccles
I have known two Iranians personally. I must say, they are two of the finest, most gracious, capable, and accomplished people I have ever known.

Ditto that sentiment. See my post to another poster. I cleaned his dopey clock, big time.

As an aside, it is a shame that people who have never travelled or met anyone other than a neighbor down the block, seem to be experts in a global world.

I've been all over the world on business, and have had to learn varying custome on different continents. I have my prefernces and predjudices, but have learned to keep quiet.

As for terrorists, I'll empty as many rounds as it takes. And light up a cigar r the cops to drag the dead bastard(s) away.

112 posted on 12/14/2005 1:54:30 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: expatguy
Iranian students wanting freedom should never be confused with "they are on our side".

Why not?

113 posted on 12/14/2005 2:22:39 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Cobra64

Thanks for the clarifications


114 posted on 12/14/2005 2:38:24 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Khashayar

How can a man embrace the Lord's will as his own except by the Lord's grace and through his own free will? Does the Lord want your servitude? Does He want slaves? Does he want free men and free women to be his people?

To me the answer is obvious.

You Iranians have been a tough bunch for quite a spell. The Mongols had little respect for other breeds.


115 posted on 12/14/2005 2:44:29 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! Tolerance is not a virtue!)
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To: Khashayar

As you can see I am not a secularist. I am however a student of war. Some very very sharp people are doing everything possible to prevent wholesale destruction and slaughter in Iran. The most formidable of these people is George W. Bush.

Things are going to get worse before they get better. I wish it were not so. You and your friends are on the right track. Take care of yourselves as much as possible. Your people need you.

By the way you ARE free. Freedom is in the heart first. Justice comes afterward.


116 posted on 12/14/2005 3:01:19 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! Tolerance is not a virtue!)
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To: Iris7

Thanks!

I am glad to be on FR


117 posted on 12/14/2005 3:12:12 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Gordongekko909
Our FRiend Khashayar is an Iranian national. He would prefer that the Ayatollah do a Lebanon-like abdication. I can't blame him for not wanting bombs dropped in Iran, seeing as how he lives there and all.

I used to hope that the Iranians were pro-American and coming to their senses... but after seeing how their last elections went and how things continue to go downhill there, I have lost all hope for them.

I would rather see them get bombed back to the stone-age than be allowed to develop nuclear weapons. We do not need WMD in the hands of madmen.

Hopefully the Israelis will take care of this one. Iran's mad President has been mouthing off about Israel non-stop lately. He needs to glow in the dark.

118 posted on 12/14/2005 3:29:28 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: Gordongekko909

I still think that the United States has been presented with the best opportunity to help change a tyranical regime from within since Poland. The United States supported the Solidarity Union not just by intel, but also by sending fax machines (no internet then) and tremendous moral support, including from the American unions (mind you, this was when Lane Kirkland was running things. A lib, but still old school. Also Pope John Paul II was a major ally against the Evil Empire.). The student movement in Iran is a repeat of what happened in Poland.


119 posted on 12/14/2005 3:54:34 AM PST by Fred Hayek (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Khashayar

BUMP


120 posted on 12/14/2005 4:29:00 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: adamsjas

Some signs are writtten in english, most, if you notice, are in Persian.
However, they want the world to see and get the message, too. So, english is a good choice, don't you think?


121 posted on 12/14/2005 4:37:03 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Bon mots

"I used to hope that the Iranians were pro-American and coming to their senses... but after seeing how their last elections went and how things continue to go downhill there, I have lost all hope for them."

You seem to be confused. The '(S)elections' were orchestrated by the hardliners. Even the reformists in the gov't know they were crooked.
Pro-American Iranians have already come to their senses, that's why they're pro-American and anti-regime.
The way to get rid of the threat of nukes problem, is to help the Iranian people get rid of the regime.


122 posted on 12/14/2005 4:44:42 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR) [there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Khashayar

America is more popular in Iran and Iraq than America is in some quarters of America.

Are your students 'really' ready? Are they 'really' willing? Are they 'really' able?

Do they BELIEVE in the ability of liberty to triumph?


123 posted on 12/14/2005 4:47:38 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom-What fools they are who doubt the ability of liberty to triumph over despotism)
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To: Khashayar

Khaskayar, your Freeper profile page is wonderful! Thanks!


124 posted on 12/14/2005 4:58:01 AM PST by jigsaw (God Bless Our Troops.)
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To: Khashayar
Khashayar

Can I ask you a question? On your homepage you have this quote..."I think we should never forgive 'Carter' for his dirty deeds, he is one of the main reasons for all miseries of Iran and the USA in the past 26 years!!!"....please tell me more. I would like to know what freedom loving Iranians think about Carter.

Also, do you now live in Iran?
125 posted on 12/14/2005 5:09:12 AM PST by 4everontheRight (Criminals feed on the indulgence of society's understanding)
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To: Iris7

"As you can see I am not a secularist. I am however a student of war. Some very very sharp people are doing everything possible to prevent wholesale destruction and slaughter in Iran. The most formidable of these people is George W. Bush.

Things are going to get worse before they get better. I wish it were not so. You and your friends are on the right track. Take care of yourselves as much as possible. Your people need you.

By the way you ARE free. Freedom is in the heart first. Justice comes afterward."


Those are beautiful words.


126 posted on 12/14/2005 5:10:03 AM PST by freema (Proud Marine Mom-What fools they are who doubt the ability of liberty to triumph over despotism)
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To: Khashayar

Your profile had me in tears. There are great people throughout history who understand that human dignity and potential flourish when they are free. You are one of those people. You are a leader. I will keep you in my prayers. May God direct you and protect you that the desires of your heart, for they are righteous, will be yours.


127 posted on 12/14/2005 5:14:12 AM PST by EverOnward (help support our hero soldiers at anysoldier.com)
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To: Bon mots
"I used to hope that the Iranians were pro-American and coming to their senses... but after seeing how their last elections went and how things continue to go downhill there, I have lost all hope for them." I'm sorry. Did I read that correctly? You trusted the Iranian election returns? Perhaps you believe that 99% of the Iraqi populace intended to vote for Saddam in 2002. And perhaps you believe that the two truckloads of counterfeit ballots that just came out of Iran are the first ones the ever exist in Iran.

Never, ever lose faith in the human desire for freedom. Especially not when the reasons for losing that faith are supported by evidence as paper-thin as the election returns you cited.

128 posted on 12/14/2005 6:48:15 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Fred Hayek

East Germany, too. This sort of thing was going on right before the Wall came down.


129 posted on 12/14/2005 6:49:51 AM PST by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Khashayar

The U.S. State Department and the CIA should be doing EVERYTHING possible to assure a successful revolution in Iran and destruction of the Ayatollahs by dissident Iranians.

If not, we are facing a future nuclear war with a regime of suicidal fanatics.


130 posted on 12/14/2005 6:56:18 AM PST by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Khashayar
If you have a Liberty for Iran ping list, put me on it.
131 posted on 12/14/2005 7:25:00 AM PST by Cyber Ninja (His legacy is a stain on the dress.)
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To: Khashayar
Thanks for posting these pics. I for one believe that change in Iran is best served by change from within.

That way the leadership can not appeal to Iranian patriotism to repel foreign invaders

132 posted on 12/14/2005 7:33:16 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: GodfearingTexan

I kind of wonder if it was like Communism. A religious state might have seemed like a good idea at the time. The reality just turned out to not be all it was cracked up to be.


133 posted on 12/14/2005 7:41:09 AM PST by ark_girl
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To: LibreOuMort

ping


134 posted on 12/14/2005 7:56:21 AM PST by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || To Libs: You are failing to celebrate MY diversity! || Iran Azadi)
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To: 4everontheRight

He is the most hated man in Iran after Khomeini!

Believe me, every one hates him for not supporting our king during the revolution


135 posted on 12/14/2005 11:12:14 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: ark_girl

you are somehow correct


136 posted on 12/14/2005 11:21:57 AM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Khashayar

Coffee is banned in Iran? I always thought that you have something equivalent to a 'Turkish coffee', i.e. powdered grounds and not filtered.


137 posted on 12/14/2005 11:27:12 AM PST by proud_yank ("The government dole will rot your soul" --Stan Rogers, 'The Idiot')
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To: Khashayar
"...We have been trying hard not to use Arabic words within the Persian language but it is so hard! ...."

Doesn't official Iranian language (Farsi) use the Western alphabet, rather than Arabic script? Just curious. Why are all the protesters' signs in Arabic?

138 posted on 12/14/2005 12:17:50 PM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Khashayar

we are with you brother .God bless you and may you one day experience the joy of freedom.too many people(DIMS) here take it for granted....


139 posted on 12/14/2005 1:14:46 PM PST by mcCabesPub (15 years wtc engineer never forgive never forget)
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To: VoiceOfBruck

Great thread. Also check out Khashayar's profile.


140 posted on 12/14/2005 1:31:19 PM PST by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: Khashayar
What I mean is that it is dangerous to insinuate that either all or a majority of Iranians desire American-Style democracy.

Wars are not fought against individuals, they are fought against nations.

It is not the mullahs who are our enemies. It is the nation of Iran.

141 posted on 12/14/2005 1:33:38 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Victor

No, Our alphabet is Persian and has nothing to do with Arabic!

Btw it is Persian not Farsi

http://heritage.chn.ir/en/Article/?id=88

Persian (Iranian) people in the English-speaking countries are the only community who use two different terms to refer to their language, “Farsi” and “Persian.” This behavior has caused some confusion among the Westerners as to the appropriateness of these terms.

“Farsi” (an Arabic adaptation of the word “Parsi”), is the indigenous name of the Persian language. Just as the German speaking people refer to their language as ‘Deutsch’, the Greek ‘Ellinika’ and the Spanish ‘Espanol’, the Persians use ‘Farsi’ or ‘Parsi’ to identify their native form of verbal communication.

In English, however, this language has always been known as “Persian” (‘Persane’ in French and ‘Persisch’ in German’). But many Persians migrating to the West (particularly to the USA) after the 1979 revolution continued to use ‘Farsi’ to identify their language in English and the word became commonplace in English-speaking countries.

In the West when one speaks of ‘Persian Language’, people can immediately connect it with several famous aspects of that culture and history such as Persian Gulf, Persian Carpet, Persian food, Persian poetry, Persian cat, etc. But “Farsi” is void of such link which is only obvious for people in Persia (Iran) and a few other nations in the Middle East.


142 posted on 12/14/2005 2:04:08 PM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: expatguy

WTF?!?

You gotta be kidding me!

The Iranians have nothing to do with this evil regime ruling Iran today.

If you have no idea or knowledge then please stay quiet and learn before commenting.

This was the most hillarious BS I have ever heard on FR


143 posted on 12/14/2005 2:06:08 PM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: proud_yank

It is not banned any more!


144 posted on 12/14/2005 2:06:52 PM PST by Khashayar (No Banana Allowed!)
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To: Darkwolf377

Yeah, the choice in reality is Islamic Theocracy, Monarchy, or Democracy.


145 posted on 12/14/2005 2:12:57 PM PST by MassachusettsGOP (Massachusetts Republican....A rare breed indeed)
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To: Khashayar

I dont get it. How do you think you are going to accomplish a democracy in Iran?

Do you think that the mullahs are just going to surrender to your protest signs?

Whats the plan?


146 posted on 12/14/2005 2:21:19 PM PST by Sabretooth (I'm not SabERtooth, I'm SabREtooth.)
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To: Khashayar
No Im not kidding you Khashayar and neither is it BS.

It is not a personal attack against you, so please kindly don't take it as such.

The truth is that you represent only one side of the coin. The vocal opposition to the Iranian government. There is also a large percentage of Iranians who do in fact support the Iranian leadership.

It is both foolish and naive for anyone to think that your views represent a majority of Iranians.

You will find a lot of comradery from all of here at FR and that is to be expected.

147 posted on 12/14/2005 3:06:50 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Ichneumon

Because an American-style of Democracy is not an ideal system in a majority Muslim country.


148 posted on 12/14/2005 3:20:23 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Khashayar

What about the alphabet?


149 posted on 12/14/2005 3:54:38 PM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Khashayar

That sign is beautiful. By writing in English they are sending a message to America. Perhaps they are also saying they have an American idea, though liberty is a human ideal.


150 posted on 12/14/2005 7:01:47 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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