Skip to comments.Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]
Posted on 12/17/2005 3:58:48 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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"OK what are they?"
"Do your own research"
...but at least I'll hold onto some logic!!
Unfortunately being logical is hardly the sole requirement for a scientific explaination. The whole scientology Xenu story is logical for example, but it's hardly a scientific explaination.
every time they do, they lose.
They would rather scream and yell and hide behind the status quo
...hateful atheists ...
(The worst kind of atheists, no doubt). Wrong. Congratulations. You're batting .000
The ToE does not say that any organism from one Class would ever evolve into an organism from another Class in one generation. I believe you know this. You simply create this strawman because you have no ammunition when it comes to attacking an accurate version of the ToE.
When scientists collect evidence from a dozen different fields of science that fit in with a theory it is hardly just a belief. In my opinion, you are insisting on calling it a belief in order to bring it down to the level you consider your own beliefs to be.
You know, we've been wondering where cousin Erg went for a long time. Had we known he was visiting Africa, we would have taken his picture off the milk carton a long time ago.
Thanks for the ping to this thread, tho I see I am late coming to the thread, which is really of no consequence to anyone, as by and large I am just a lurker on these evo/ID threads...
But this thread has really been interesting, informative, and revealing...of course, the usual name callers have showed up, with no substantive thing to say, nothing to add to the subject matter of the thread, they just need to be here, to spew filth out of their mouths...
And then there are the usual ones who turn up, to tell us that somehow they have a better understanding of the Bible, than the rest of us, that they think they have some special secret information from God about who will go to Hell and who wont...that their particular interpretations of the Bible, must be believed by everyone, or else they just are not 'Christians',(now where does this poster get his/her authority to decide who is a Christian and who is not?...certainly God does not give them this authority, so I guess they are taking on their own self important authority)...
And then there are those who use their own made up definition of 'Theory', and refuse to understand how that word is used and what is means in reference to scientific investigation...I guess if you cannot argue the facts, then you sink down, and try to change the definitions..of the words...truly an infantile tactic...its truly amazing to me, that how often the a list of the words like 'theory' are given with their precise meaning in scientific investigation and how often the ID/creationist people refuse, absolutely refuse to see that, and want to insert their very own special meaning...
And then there are the posters who argue logically, provide useful information, provide useful, current links, and attempt to help those of us who have a meager scientific understanding, to better understand what evolution is really all about...
This thread is a real eye-opener...Note, I mentioned no posters screenname...I think everyone can figure for themselves, in what category I might put them...
I know that there are many more just like me out here, who lurk, rather than post, and I am sure that they(regardless of what side of this debate they fall into),like me, are grateful for threads like these...
So thanks to all, many of you have provided great information for further study, some have provided the usual insane namecalling for its own sake(which says way more about the poster doing the namecalling, than it does about the one they are calling names), some have provided some great humor with some very witty remarks, and some have made themselves look absolutely ridiculous and have given me some great laughs, and last of all there are the 'proud'(or the holier than thou crowd), who think that they speak for God..
Quite a cast of characters...
You: Another typical evo nut.
Labeling people without the flimsiest evidence. You do the same thing with sci fi evo. Cook up stuff and make billion year connections. Laughable!
I think it depends on who it comes from. It may not be much different than being called a Howler Monkey.
Is it the contention of all you evolutionist that just because I've had something explained to me that mean I should just automatically belive in the cult of evolution?
I've "explain" alot of things to evolutionist too...Obviously you don't believe you're being duped by a huge lie?
First, the definition of a theory again. Words do mean things, and they mean specific things. They do not change at a whim or there cannot be rational discussion (hence, what we often see on these threads).
You obviously hate evolution so much that you are willing to contort standard meanings for things, such as the definition of a theory. This is not asking you to believe in evolution, but to accept what scientists mean when they talk about a theory, whether it is gravity, germs, or evolution.
My guess is you accept the first two, but reject the latter on religious grounds. Fine; but don't think that it is either honest or rational to reject standard scientific definitions because of your phobia against evolution--the science is the same in all three cases, as we have tried to explain to you.
So, once again, here is the definition of "theory" closest to what scientists accept:
Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"Now you may consider the theory of evolution a lie, but you are arguing from a religious viewpoint--not to be confused with a scientific viewpoint. You really should try to keep the two separate. Your belief does not constitute scientific evidence.
That's why the ID folks keep trying to "wedge" the issue into the schools through popular opinion and school boards. They cannot compete in the world of science, and they know it.
It really doesn't matter who "wins" the debate. What's important is having a written record of it for everyone to see. It's also important to allow each side enough time to respond fully.
Charisma may be cool on stage, but in the long haul it's unimportant.
Don't you believe that the people who work in science should be the ones defining 'Theory'? Should *you* be able to redefine baseball, or Republican?
"I've "explain" alot of things to evolutionist too...Obviously you don't believe you're being duped by a huge lie?
And your evidence of a lie is what? Is your evidence as tenuous as a 'belief'?
I'm an "evolutionist," having spent about half of my grad school training in that field. Here are the definitions of THEORY and FACT (hey, all caps makes them sound bigger!).
Please note, nothing in these definitions, which I have posted dozens of times, equates THEORY and FACT. But I will keep posting them as long as necessary.
Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; "theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses"; "true in fact and theory"
Fact: when an observation is confirmed repeatedly and by many independent and competent observers, it can become a fact
Psalms 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made;
and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
7 He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap:
he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the LORD:
let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
9 For he spake, and it was done;
he commanded, and it stood fast.
10 The LORD bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought:
he maketh the devices of the people of none effect.
11 The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever,
the thoughts of his heart to all generations.
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