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Jihad- an integral part of Islam (An absolute, critical MUST READ: know thy enemy)
News from Bangladesh ^ | December 16 2005 | Mohammad Asghar, USA

Posted on 12/18/2005 3:03:39 PM PST by jb6

Many people have written many books, treatises and articles for the purpose of defining the role jihad is supposed to play in the lives of the Muslims. Most writers have tried, in their own ways, to come up with the [true] meaning of the Arabic word [Jihad,] others took circuitous routes to emphasize on what they believed was the purpose for which Allah has purportedly made the launching of jihad by Muslims an integral part of their lives.

Until recently, my mind had remained in a state of dichotomy; it being the result of the inadequate attention, I admit, I had paid to the contents of the Quran while reading it a number of times. On one hand, I tended to think that Jihad was a word that was used in the Quran to denote [striving] with one’s inner thoughts and desires; on the other, I believed Allah required the Muslims to engage themselves in bloody wars in order not only to sustain their existence through plunders, but also to occupy others’ lands and possessions through the use of brute force.

My dual-mindedness ended when I had the opportunity to read the book [Forbidden Love.] The author of the book is a Jordanian woman. In it, she pointed out the meaning, as it is understood by the Arabic speaking people, of the words [qatilu] and [jihadu] that appear repeatedly in the Arabic text of the Quran.

My newly-acquired familiarity with the correct meaning of the words [qatilu] and [jihadu] made me to go over the Quran once again. Reading it this time with great care it deserves from all readers, I gleaned from it the true import and significance of both the words Allah conveyed to Muhammad and his followers through His revelations.

Qatilu: Meaning to wage wars (fight), this word appears 64 times in the Quran. Through the use of this word in the celestial book, Allah commanded all Muslims to wage wars on the unbelievers (kaferun in Arabic), mainly, for the purpose of plunder. In such wars, Muslims have Allah’s permission to kill their victims in order to enable them to take over their possessions together with their female family members.

The first action enabled Muslims to fill up their empty stomachs; the taking over of the female captives satisfied their huge sexual appetite. [Qatilu] also means a warfare that Muslims are supposed to launch on, and against the non-Muslims, who live in Muslim countries, firstly, to subdue, and then to force them to pay Jizya - a protection tax- to their Islamic governments. Failure of the surviving unbelievers to pay protection tax is a ground for the Muslims either to uproot and deport them from their habitats, or to kill them ‘in the cause of Allah.’

[Dhimmis,] as the tax-paying non-believers are supposed to be called, they must live among their compatriots in total submission to them. Wearing badges of different colors to identify their religious affiliations, dhimmis should neither build tall buildings, nor should they ride horses to show their ‘inferior’ status to that of their ‘superior’ Muslim neighbors.

In order to substantiate my stated claims, citation of the following verse from the Quran should be in order:

9:29: [Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Apostle, nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and fell themselves subdued.]

Commenting on the above verse, Mohammed Arkoun, whose works Robert D. Lee has translated into English, says in [Rethinking Islam]:

[{This verse} like the rest of Sura 9, warrant a long historical and theological commentary. They have fed an interminable polemic from which there is no escape because it is conducted at the dogmatic level. I cite them here not to touch off new controversies but to attract attention to the urgent need for a modern rereading {?} of these sacred texts that takes account of historical context and doctrinal struggles aggravated by the appearance of the Qur’an at the beginning of the seventh century.] (p.72).

Professor Philip K. Hitti has been candidly straightforward while drawing our attention to the historical facts that had formed the basis of the Muslims’ aggressions against the non-Muslims from the time Islam was in its infancy to the time it had acquired enough military muscle that had enabled it to conquer almost one third of the world’s pagan, Jewish and Christian’s lands.

Writing in the History of the Arabs (pp. 143 & 144), he says: [? Outside the Arabian peninsula and especially in the instance of the ahl-al-kitab (Christians and Jews) there was a third and, from the standpoint of the conquerors, more desirable choice besides the Koran and the sword-tribute. [Make war ? upon such of those to wwhom the Book has been given until they pay tribute offered on the back of their hands, in a state of humiliation.]

This third choice was later by necessity of circumstances offered to Zoroastrians and heathen Berbers and Turks; in the case of all these theory gave way to expediency. ? The passion to go to heaven in the next life may have been operative with some, but the desire for the comforts and luxuries of the civilized regions of the Fertile Crescent was just as strong in the case of many.

? Al-Baladhuri, the most judiciouss of the historians of the conquest, declares that in recruiting for the Syrian campaign abu-Bakr “wrote to the people of Makkah, al-Taif, al-yaman and all the Arabs in Najd and al-Hijaz summoning them to a ‘holy war’ and arousing their desire for it and for the booty to be got from the Greeks. Rustam, the Persian general who defended his country against the Arab invasion, made the following remark to the Muslim envoy: “I have learned that ye were forced to what ye are doing by nothing but the narrow means of livelihood and by poverty. A verse in the Hamasah of abu-Tamam has put the case tersely:

No, not for Paradise didst thou the nomad life forsake;

Rather, I believe, it was thy yearning after bread and dates.]

The first qatilu Muslims launched under Muhammad’s leadership against the Meccan pagans, took place at the grounds of Badr in 624 A.D. It was designed to ambush an unarmed Meccan caravan, and to loot the goods and valuables it was transporting from Syria to Mecca.

The caravan, however, escaped unscathed due to an evasive action taken by its leader. Had Muslims been able to lay their hands on the riches of the caravan, we would now be reading a story that would have been shorter, and different from the one we read about Islam’s travails, and the opposition it supposedly endured during its rise among the pagans, Jews and Christians of the Arabian Peninsula.

The cause or causes for which Allah has permitted Muslims to launch [qatilu] (wars) on the non-Muslims having been made clear, let’s now examine the word [jihadu] to understand its significance, true meaning and import in the context of the Quran.

Jihad: Read [jihadu] in Arabic, it is the equivalent of the word [Jihad] we non-Arabic speaking people generally use in our writings and conversation. It appears 33 times in the Quran.

In many cases, the word [jihadu] appears in the Quranic verses to gather with the phrase [fi sabil Allah.] It means [in the cause of Allah.]

Like qatilu, Jihad also denotes hostile acts, in the shape of wars, which Muslims, under Allah’s command, undertook in the past and are required to undertake even now and in future against the non-Muslims, specifically with the purpose of converting them to Islam. In Jihads, Muslims should not expect to gain any booty, but should it come their way in the aftermath of their ‘striving in the cause of Allah,’ they should not only accept it gladly, they must also cherish it wholeheartedly, for all rewards and gifts come from Allah. Refusing gifts from Allah is a cardinal sin (cf. Quran; 66:1).

Converting the non-believers to Islam is what the Quran subtly refers to as being the [cause of Allah.]

Other pre- and post- jihad rules are like those of qatilu. Those of the unbelievers who escape death in wars must convert to Islam. Unwilling infidels must pay protection tax; their failure to do so entitles the Muslims either to kill them or to deport them to another country that is willing to give them shelter. At the time of leaving their homesteads, deportees must leave behind what they may be forbidden by their Muslim masters from carrying with them. The list of the prohibited ‘goods’ may include their young mothers, sisters, wives and daughters.

In the backdrop of the above discussion, let us now explore some of the Quranic verses in which, the word [jihadu] appears, as well as the purpose and intent for which it has been incorporated in them. While reading the verses being quoted here, we must keep in our mind the situation and the circumstances that had prevailed at the time these were ‘revealed’ by Allah to Muhammad, as well as his listeners’ inability to ‘dissect’ each and every word to find out their etymological roots and grammatical correctness in the manner we are able to do today. They were simple folks, with no education. They, therefore, took each word of the revelations in the sense they knew and believed they were supposed to convey to them.

4:75: [And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed))? Men, women, and children, whose cry is: [Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from Thee one who will protect; and raise for us from Thee one who will help!]

Two causes are mentioned in the above verse for Muslims to fight for; one to protect the oppressed, which is undoubtedly a good cause, and the second [in the cause of Allah,] a cause that remained undefined. The following verse sheds light on what we should understand to be Allah’s cause:

4:76: [Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith fight in the cause of Evil: so fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.]

In the sight of Allah, the unbelievers are the friends of Satan. Fighting them, and to bring them to the fold of Islam is what the verse says is the responsibility of all the Muslims. This effort on the part of the Muslims is ‘a cause of Allah.’ Fighting for the purpose of converting non-Muslims to Islam can, in no way, be taken to mean a Muslim’s struggle against his ‘inner thoughts and desires.’

4:100: [He who forsakes his home in the cause of Allah finds in the earth many refuge, wide and spacious: should he die as a refuge from home for Allah and His Apostle, his reward becomes due and sure with Allah: And Allah is oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.]

As the above verse postulates, leaving one’s home, taking refuge elsewhere and dying for Allah and His Apostle is the cause of Allah. It, in no way, relates to one’s struggle with his or her “inner thoughts and desires.]

9:41: [Go ye forth (whether equipped) lightly or heavily, and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons, in the cause of Allah. That is best for you, if ye (but) knew.]

Clearly, striving with equipment is not a struggle that can be construed to be a struggle with one’s inner thoughts and desires. Striving (jihadu in Arabic) means a war against those who are unbelievers, hence they deserve to be eliminated from the face of Allah’s earth through violent actions, and killings.

29:6: [And if any strive (with might and main), they do so for their own souls: For Allah is free of all needs from all creation.]

Striving with ‘might and main’ is not a struggle against one’s inner thoughts and desires. It clearly means a physical war all Muslims have been ordained by Allah to launch against those non-believers who refuse to accept Islam and its doctrines.

66:9: [O Prophet! Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed).]

The above verse lays bare the true meaning of the word [jihadu.] Through it, Allah asked Muhammad to strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Killing by him of the unbelievers and the hypocrites is implied here; for Allah can consign them to the fire of hell only after their dearth. No humans can be made to take their residence in hell until they die or are killed.

In the parlance of the Quran, the torment of a sinner begins immediately after his burial. Soon after he is laid to rest, angels visit him to find out whether or not he was an Allah-fearing and pious Muslim in his worldly life. If he is found to have lived a sinful life, the angels curse him and leave him in the grave to suffer from all the punishments the grave is ordained by Allah to continuously inflict on his person.

On the Day of Judgment, he would be raised and after being judged by Allah again, he would take up his residence in hell.

It is the last scenario that the above verse refers to. And this scenario begins unfolding only after one has died or been killed. Striving hard against the unbelievers and hypocrites was, therefore, a command from Allah to Muhammad for putting them to death; otherwise the verse under discussion would have had no justification for its inclusion in the Quran.

For those readers, who like to read or hear straightforward talks or arguments, the following clear cut definition of Muslim struggle or Jihad given by Abd al-Salam Faraj should be sufficient and satisfying:

[? It is our duty to concentrate on our Islamic causes, and that is the establishment first of all of God’s laws in our own country and causing the word of God to prevail. There is no doubt that the first battlefield of the jihad is the extirpation of these infidel leaderships and their replacement by a perfect Islamic order, and from this will come the release of our energies.] (Al-jihad: l-Farida al-Ghaiba (Amman, 1982). English translation: The Neglected Duty: The Creed of Sadat’s assassins and Islamic Resurgence in the Middle East (New York, 1986), pp. 159 ff.

The first Jihad that Muslims had undertaken came to be known as the ‘conquest of Mecca.’ Their campaign against the Meccan pagans was aimed at taking over their city, and to convert all of it inhabitants to Islam. From this effort, Muhammad and his followers gained no material benefit. This was not something that was unexpected, for, in case of Jihad, Muslims should not expect to obtain any material gains, as the very purpose of Jihad is to ‘serve Allah and His cause’ in the ways I have discussed above.

Jihad launched by Osama Bin Laden and his ilk against the infidel West is what the Quran has prescribed for the Muslims. His efforts at killing the unbelievers cannot, in any way, be called an un-Islamic act. Osama knows and clearly understands his responsibilities as a Muslim, and he has been carrying them out ‘in the cause of Allah.’ Muslims who hail him as a hero rightfully do so; he is after the West not to gain anything for himself but to convert all the non-Muslims of the world to Islam, thereby helping Allah in establishing His perfect religion for all humans to follow now, and in future.

After all, it is Allah to whom belongs the whole Universe, including the Earth, and also it is He who has the sole right to do whatever He wants to do with it. Humans can inhabit it only with His permission.

Islam will be doomed, if its followers do not kill the ‘infidels’ to establish Islamic rule on every land of the world. Jihad is like a prayer to most Muslims; execution of it successfully ensures heaven for them after their death; dying in Jihad makes them martyrs, and martyrdom transports them instantaneously to heaven, and into the arms of most beautiful and virgin houris to live with forever.

All the hijackers of September 11 are martyrs. They are now living in heaven in the company of houris, and Allah. This is what most Muslims aspire for in their lives. Therefore, Jihad would continue to dominate our earth for so long as the exhortation by the Quran to take up arms against the infidels would continue to inspire the Muslims.

We can prevent destruction of our earth only if we are willing to fight for the elimination of those verses of the Quran that exhort Muslims to fight in the cause of Allah. Failure to do so would only exacerbate the sufferings of the non-Muslims. Therefore, let us join hands and work together to get rid of all those verses of the Quran that incite Muslims to launch Jihad against the non-Muslims of the world.

In our success lies the safety and wellbeing of the world. Our failure would be a cause for its destruction. Should we let it happen, especially when it is preventable?

Note for readers: Due to a technical problem, I have used [] in this article in place of inverted commas. I hope readers will not mind my innovative technique- Mohammad Asghar


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Qatilu: Meaning to wage wars (fight), this word appears 64 times in the Quran. Through the use of this word in the celestial book, Allah commanded all Muslims to wage wars on the unbelievers (kaferun in Arabic), mainly, for the purpose of plunder. In such wars, Muslims have Allah’s permission to kill their victims in order to enable them to take over their possessions together with their female family members.
1 posted on 12/18/2005 3:03:42 PM PST by jb6
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To: jb6

I am confused. I thought it was a religion of peace?


2 posted on 12/18/2005 3:13:21 PM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: jb6

bump


3 posted on 12/18/2005 3:14:37 PM PST by VOA
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To: Alex-DV; ValenB4; truemiester; anonymoussierra; zagor-te-nej; Freelance Warrior; kedr; mm77; ...

Know thy enemy by his own cursed words.


4 posted on 12/18/2005 3:15:11 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6

Like qatilu, Jihad also denotes hostile acts, in the shape of wars, which Muslims, under Allah’s command, undertook in the past and are required to undertake even now and in future against the non-Muslims, specifically with the purpose of converting them to Islam. In Jihads, Muslims should not expect to gain any booty, but should it come their way in the aftermath of their ‘striving in the cause of Allah,’ they should not only accept it gladly, they must also cherish it wholeheartedly, for all rewards and gifts come from Allah. Refusing gifts from Allah is a cardinal sin (cf. Quran; 66:1).


5 posted on 12/18/2005 3:16:21 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Cindy

I am sure you'd find this on your own, but just in case. :)


6 posted on 12/18/2005 3:17:59 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: VOA
From the words of a fifth columnist in America (this article's writer)

Islam will be doomed, if its followers do not kill the ‘infidels’ to establish Islamic rule on every land of the world. Jihad is like a prayer to most Muslims; execution of it successfully ensures heaven for them after their death; dying in Jihad makes them martyrs, and martyrdom transports them instantaneously to heaven, and into the arms of most beautiful and virgin houris to live with forever.

All the hijackers of September 11 are martyrs. They are now living in heaven in the company of houris, and Allah. This is what most Muslims aspire for in their lives. Therefore, Jihad would continue to dominate our earth for so long as the exhortation by the Quran to take up arms against the infidels would continue to inspire the Muslims.

7 posted on 12/18/2005 3:26:05 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6; AmericanArchConservative; ariamne; Former Dodger; Fred Nerks; jan in Colorado; Dark Skies; ...
RoPers clarifying the true meaning and obligation of
Jihad:

...the importance, reward and requirement for the Muslims to perform Jihaad Fi Sabeel Lillah i.e. physical struggle:

...the saying and actions of Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) show that Jihaad definitely is to start (offensive) fighting the kuffar to make the Words of Allah the highest and to propagate (da’wa) the call of Islam. Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) said:

"I have been ordered to fight the people until they bear witness that, ‘there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger’ and they establish the prayer and the zakat. And if they do this, then from me is protected their blood and their wealth except by the right granted by Allah."

As for his (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) actions, they are full of actions that show Jihaad is to start the fighting. So when he went out to Badr to take the caravan belonging to the Quraysh, this was going out to fight, this is offensive – as Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) initiated the action before the Quraysh. Likewise, when Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) invaded Hawazin in the battle of Hunayn, when he (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) seiged Ta’if and the battle of Mutah to fight the Romans and the Battle of Tabuk – all of these are evidences to show that Jihaad is to start fighting kuffar (offensive). This should clarify the erroneous view that in origin Jihaad is defensive...


8 posted on 12/18/2005 3:29:29 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: jb6

BUMP and Print at work tomorrow.


9 posted on 12/18/2005 3:37:45 PM PST by Pagey (The Clintons ARE the true definition of the word WRETCHED!)
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To: jb6

Bump


10 posted on 12/18/2005 3:41:52 PM PST by A. Pole (Good Muslims emulate the life of prophet Muhammad. Good Buddhists emulate Buddha. To each his own.)
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To: FairOpinion

Thanks for the ping Fair Opinion.
Smiling...


11 posted on 12/18/2005 3:43:10 PM PST by Cindy
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To: jb6

ping


12 posted on 12/18/2005 3:44:31 PM PST by trailboss800
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To: jb6
In such wars, Muslims have Allah’s permission to kill their victims in order to enable them to take over their possessions together with their female family members.

It doesn't matter whether normal human beings believe this swill.
It suffices that the absolute dregs of humanity believe it, and seal their own fate.

Reason with nonsense written by the absolute ignorant for the absolute ignorant? I don't think so. Suffice to say that every "reward" listed in the comic book satisfies or appeals to the absolute basest physical human appetitites.
Could have been written for every subhuman species on the planets; all the way below the cockroaches.

13 posted on 12/18/2005 3:47:45 PM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: jb6

"We can prevent destruction of our earth only if we are willing to fight for the elimination of those verses of the Quran that exhort Muslims to fight in the cause of Allah. Failure to do so would only exacerbate the sufferings of the non-Muslims. Therefore, let us join hands and work together to get rid of all those verses of the Quran that incite Muslims to launch Jihad against the non-Muslims of the world."


Perhaps I am missing an imortant element in this essay...
but, is this writer not saying certain parts of the qu'ran need to eliminated in order to save the world?

Or is this just double talk on the part of the author?


14 posted on 12/18/2005 3:52:39 PM PST by Bennett46
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To: All

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15 posted on 12/18/2005 3:56:59 PM PST by Cindy
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To: All

ON THE NET...

http://www.jihadwatch.org
http://www.memri.org/jihad.html
http://www.memritv.org
http://www.internet-haganah.us/jihadi/


16 posted on 12/18/2005 4:00:05 PM PST by Cindy
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To: All

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2005/12/009459print.html

December 18, 2005

"Bali bomber: 'Aren't you aware that the model for us all, the Prophet Mohammed and the four rightful caliphs, undertook to murder infidels as one of their primary activities?'"


17 posted on 12/18/2005 4:01:07 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Bennett46; jb6

I re-read it.

Yes (to myself) I was confused.

Sorry.


18 posted on 12/18/2005 4:01:54 PM PST by Bennett46
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To: JohnathanRGalt; backhoe

ping


19 posted on 12/18/2005 4:02:04 PM PST by Cindy
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To: USF
It just occurred to me...Islam is in some ways much like that Star Trek (next generation) episode where one group only spoke by relating historical stories. Islam makes excuse for all their evils by relating to evil actions performed by Muhammad. "Chaka...when the walls fell."
20 posted on 12/18/2005 4:06:58 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: highlander_UW
Islam makes excuse for all their evils by relating to evil actions performed by Muhammad.

For muslims, Mohammad was the "perfect man" (al-insan al-kamil), and the example they are to emulate. Their self declared "true believers" take a look at the vile example he set for them, and do just that, so the elimination or rewriting of all the intolerant verses of the Quran and will never be enough. Besides, it's bidah.

21 posted on 12/18/2005 4:20:57 PM PST by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: jb6

Interesting, but still a cop out. The Qu'ran cannot be edited. It must be eliminated. It is nothing but the words of a man with a god-complex.


22 posted on 12/18/2005 4:21:21 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: big'ol_freeper
A big weapon in the Muslim arsenal is Taqiyya.

Taqiyya and kitman: The role of Deception in Islamic terrorism


23 posted on 12/18/2005 4:24:15 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: USF
For muslims, Mohammad was the "perfect man" (al-insan al-kamil), and the example they are to emulate.

And Muhammad thought he was insane and considered suicide...which probably is the root of Islam considering suicide as acceptable.

24 posted on 12/18/2005 4:25:58 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: big'ol_freeper
The following article explains a Muslim's idea of peace:

Islamic Scholar Warns U.S. of 'Two-Faced' Muslims
25 posted on 12/18/2005 4:28:20 PM PST by Man50D
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To: sageb1
"[{This verse} like the rest of Sura 9, warrant a long historical and theological commentary. They have fed an interminable polemic from which there is no escape because it is conducted at the dogmatic level. I cite them here not to touch off new controversies but to attract attention to the urgent need for a modern rereading {?} of these sacred texts that takes account of historical context and doctrinal struggles aggravated by the appearance of the Qur’an at the beginning of the seventh century.] (p.72)."

"from which there is no escape..."

For Muslims OR non-Muslims. Imams and clerics perpetuate the circular reasoning Muhammad himself used. Islam is a trap - a noose - from which there is no escape.

26 posted on 12/18/2005 4:31:07 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: Bennett46
Indeed. How can one say both

After all, it is Allah to whom belongs the whole Universe, including the Earth, and also it is He who has the sole right to do whatever He wants to do with it. Humans can inhabit it only with His permission.

Islam will be doomed, if its followers do not kill the ‘infidels’ to establish Islamic rule on every land of the world. Jihad is like a prayer to most Muslims; execution of it successfully ensures heaven for them after their death; dying in Jihad makes them martyrs, and martyrdom transports them instantaneously to heaven, and into the arms of most beautiful and virgin houris to live with forever.

and

We can prevent destruction of our earth only if we are willing to fight for the elimination of those verses of the Quran that exhort Muslims to fight in the cause of Allah. Failure to do so would only exacerbate the sufferings of the non-Muslims. Therefore, let us join hands and work together to get rid of all those verses of the Quran that incite Muslims to launch Jihad against the non-Muslims of the world.

By his reasoning no true Muslims would make this change -they would bring Allah's doom on themselves and the earth and how could non-Muslims cause it to take effect in all the Korans of the earth (and all the minds of the Koran-memorizers)?

Mrs VS

27 posted on 12/18/2005 4:38:04 PM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: sageb1

Or the Devil's answer to Christ.


28 posted on 12/18/2005 4:44:45 PM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: jb6
"Or the Devil's answer to Christ."

Precisely.

29 posted on 12/18/2005 4:53:26 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: freedumb2003

Language unnecessary, please. We are not DU.


31 posted on 12/18/2005 5:01:49 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: jb6

32 posted on 12/18/2005 5:02:45 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: sageb1

How would you know, newbie?

It's straddling the line, but I am OK with it.


33 posted on 12/18/2005 5:03:28 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: jb6

Ping for later read


34 posted on 12/18/2005 5:08:40 PM PST by JDoutrider (Islam uses the same symbol I have on my outhouse door! Tell ya anything?)
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To: freedumb2003
"How would you know, newbie? It's straddling the line, but I am OK with it."

I'm sure you are.

And actually, I'm no newbie. I originally joined FR in 98.

35 posted on 12/18/2005 5:12:23 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

If you say so.


36 posted on 12/18/2005 5:14:48 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: freedumb2003

I do.


37 posted on 12/18/2005 5:18:07 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

Whatever gets you through the night.

I am a well-heeled, handsome blonde guy with women at my feet night and day. The only thing that keeps me from choosing them is my superior moral compass.

Because, you know, I say so.


38 posted on 12/18/2005 5:20:10 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: jb6

Religion of Peace bump


39 posted on 12/18/2005 5:21:52 PM PST by Dajjal
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To: jb6
Very lengthy article describing what the Quran directs it's believers to do to unbelievers.

It is a religion of hate and their God is Satan.

40 posted on 12/18/2005 5:28:05 PM PST by Dustbunny (Main Stream Media -- Making 'Max Headroom' a reality.)
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To: sageb1
And actually, I'm no newbie. I originally joined FR in 98.

Gonna leave us hanging?
Not gonna tell us why you had to rejoing in 2005? FR memberships don't expire.

41 posted on 12/18/2005 5:33:11 PM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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Not my intention to "leave anyone hanging." I joined in 98. As a mom of 4 and at the time, grandmother of 2 who were living with me. I then went to Georgia to take care of a dear friend who had a terminal disease. He died January of 2004. I went back to NY and tried to pick up where I'd ended up at FR, but couldn't remember exactly what screen ID I'd used. First attempt showed my ID already in use, but my pw must have been wrong...so I simply used a form of my old ID, a new pw, and came back. No biggie.


42 posted on 12/18/2005 5:42:41 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: sageb1

Crass is not class. Nor is lack of an apology when one is appropriate.


43 posted on 12/18/2005 6:01:08 PM PST by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: freedumb2003

"Please don't squeeze the Charmin!"


44 posted on 12/18/2005 6:27:27 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: USF

http://www.danielpipes.org/comments/28810

Anti-Muslim=Rascism? Reader comment, (snip)



The glories of the conquerors in the history textbooks fail to mention their favourite pastime of constructing enormous pyramids of skulls in Mongol fashion, of the kaffirs killed in the conquest; or that every Moghul Emperor had to demonstrate in full court his valour as Ghazi – or kaffir-killer – by savaging a hapless surrendered victim soon after assuming throne, to pacify the contenders to throne and their jihadi theologians! To continue to credit the Ghazi Shah Jahan, an opium addict who had several wives and at least 300 concubines, with the construction of Taj Mahal as an expression of romantic love for his wife who died in the course of her 14th pregnancy, that too after the carbon dating of the main entrance gate proves its being built 400 years before his ascending the Moghul throne, is the ultimate tribute to appeasement of unreasoning jihadi obduracy.

7. In numerous such instances, Islamist aggressive postures prevent rigorous scientific re-evaluation of the history of jihad in India, to be substituted by appeasement on the part of the Secularists, who by definition must all be Hindu! Perhaps the day is not far off, when Islamists overrunning the world civilisation will claim that the first man on the Moon was sent on a magic carpet, in evidence of Magnificent Islam!

8. We are faced with an enemy who does not believe in the scientific method, using insidious methods to infiltrate and undermine robust cultures and democratic institutions under the pressure of unreasoning obscurantism. Thus the ruse of flinging epithets in accusation of racism, is employed merely for shock value and to dumb down critical examination through extreme polarisation. But it is possible to see through the methods of jihad through developing cross-cultural understanding of its history since its very beginning. We are no long shrinking violets in the present times after this long span of Islamist terrorism.

I for one am full of hope that in this last round we will meet the challenge with full resolve no matter what it takes to destroy the beast of terrorism worldwide, since intelligence and clarity will always serve to defeat unreasoning obfuscation and obscurantism. Please carry on Doctor; support will come in critical times from the most unexpected quarters, since it is time to dump jihad and all accumulated garbage, just like Nazism was, through concerted international effort. In fact the pathetic doublespeak used by the jihadis can hardly match up to Nazi Goebbelspeak at its height in terms of sophistication. We prevailed then as a collective, and we shall do so more comprehensively now!


45 posted on 12/18/2005 6:28:12 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: USF

Islam by authority of Quran = License to Mug people on a grand scale.. Small scale mugging is laughed at. Islam is commanded to mug the world for 1426 years.. the entire world.. ALL Wives and young women on earth are rightfully OWNED by followers of Allah for breeding purposes.. Islam is a hive.



46 posted on 12/18/2005 6:42:11 PM PST by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: USF

http://www.co-jet.org/

JIHAD 101

47 posted on 12/18/2005 6:49:05 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD free pdf download - link on My Page)
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To: jb6
Bttt.

5.56mm

48 posted on 12/18/2005 6:53:22 PM PST by M Kehoe
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Bump to read later


49 posted on 12/18/2005 6:55:26 PM PST by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: jb6

Bookmark for later reference


50 posted on 12/18/2005 7:21:50 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Whats with the Marquis of Queensbury Rules bullsh*t, we fight for our very survival! Fight Dirty!)
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