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"Paradise Lost" (Washington Post re: Lesbians' Exit from Virginia)
The Washington Post ^ | 12/18/05 | Michelle Boorstein

Posted on 12/18/2005 5:42:02 PM PST by tsipple

Barbara Kenny's eyes narrow as she cranks the faucet in a freshly painted bathroom of what will soon be her new home in Frederick. [....]

"This just makes me madder and madder," Barbara says, staring out the window at the bare February landscape. "I mean, this is a perfectly fine house, it's just not where we want to be."

Where they want to be is Virginia, in the little townhouse in downtown Fredericksburg they've owned for 17 years, in the community they've come to treasure. It took them three decades of isolation and living in the closet to find Fredericksburg, and come out as lesbians. [....]

[They] were watching television in their living room rocking chairs in the summer of 2004 when they heard the news they'd been dreading for months. A new law in Virginia had taken effect, called the Affirmation of Marriage Act. It declared that couples like them were not entitled to any of the benefits or protections that straight, married couples got. [....]

For Barbara and Tibby, the legal language it used was scary: A civil union, partnership contract or other arrangement between persons of the same sex purporting to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage is prohibited and such an arrangement entered into in another state or jurisdiction is void in Virginia and any contractual rights created thereby are void and unenforceable.

Tibby initially refused to believe that the legislation was aimed at Barbara and her. They were law-abiding, low-key Virginians, people who ran their neighborhood homeowners association, called bingo nights at the firehouse and served on their church's board of trustees. "That's not meant to include us. It means people who come from other states," Tibby said with her typically earnest tone to Barbara, who responded with a typically skeptical look.

[Continues....]

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: civilunions; gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; lesbians; marriage; victimology
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To: PAR35

A Unitarian Universalist church - a.k.a. the Democrat party with a steeple.


51 posted on 12/18/2005 8:54:20 PM PST by sassbox (Weis, Weis, Baby!)
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To: khnyny
Do the people who write and publish this drivel think the readers are stupid?

Yes. They do.

And it is their responsibility to "enlighten" us.

52 posted on 12/18/2005 9:15:13 PM PST by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: tsipple

They leave because nothing is any different.


53 posted on 12/18/2005 9:18:29 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (I've lost my tagline and don't know where to find it.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Maybe they should move to MA.

No thanks, there are already plenty of them up here.

These women could do everything they want in a legal manner right now. There was no reason for them to leave their home in Fredericksburg. Did they never do any research on this?

54 posted on 12/18/2005 10:28:24 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: tsipple

They could always join a band of roving lesbian gypsies


55 posted on 12/18/2005 10:32:53 PM PST by woofie
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To: KellyAdmirer

:)


56 posted on 12/18/2005 10:35:33 PM PST by fatima (I told the doctor, ``Doc, my foot hurts -- what should I do?'' ``Limp,'' he said. H. Youngman)
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To: JennysCool
Yeah, it's usually not the homosexual women who are such drama queens.
57 posted on 12/18/2005 10:37:38 PM PST by AmishDude
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To: brivette

Film documents law's effect on same-sex couple

A Unitarian Universalist couple leaves Virginia to preserve their rights.

By Amelia Koford
Fall 2005 8.15.05


Fredericksburg, Va. - Suzanne Moe planned to screen her first documentary just once--to help her church, the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Fredericksburg, Virginia, better understand the plight of a same-sex couple in the congregation. But within a few months of the December 2004 screening more than 1,000 copies of the film had been distributed to congregations, libraries, and individuals across the country.

The documentary, Barbara and Tibby: A Love Story--in the Face of Hate, tells the story of Barbara Kenny and Tibby Middleton, who have been together for 39 years. The couple decided to leave Virginia after the July 2004 passage of legislation restricting their rights as a same-sex couple. “I was so moved when I knew they were leaving, I knew I had to do something,” Moe said.

After Kenny was diagnosed with a brain aneurysm in 2001, the couple made sure they had the power to deal with each other’s medical and legal affairs. But the 2004 law prohibiting any “arrangement between persons of the same sex purporting to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage” is so broadly worded that it could supersede contracts such as powers of attorney, property rights, and medical directives. Kenny and Middleton decided to leave Virginia rather than risk their contracts being challenged.

The premiere of Moe’s documentary drew the largest crowd the church had ever held. “The atmosphere was so supportive and emotional,” Moe said. It validated the couple’s decision to share their story.

The film DVD and a study guide will be available in all districts.



http://tinyurl.com/7slod



http://www.uuworld.org

Liberal religion and life


58 posted on 12/18/2005 10:40:25 PM PST by kcvl
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To: tsipple

Documentary Explores Impact of Virginia Law
Couple forced to leave state because of anti-gay legislation

FREDERICKSBURG, Va.—In 2004, over the protests of the governor of Virginia, the state legislature went further than any other in the country in passing legislation to prohibit same-sex unions by any name. "Barbara and Tibby: A Love Story in the Face of Hate" looks at the impact of the law through the lives of one Virginia couple, forced to leave the state when the discriminatory and arguably unconstitutional legislation went into effect.

Barbara Kenny and Tibby Middleton, both in their 60s, had lived quietly, silently bearing the burden of discrimination throughout their lives. They are not activists; they are simply two people who have loved each other for nearly 40 years, and wanted to live out the rest of their lives together, confident that legal steps they’d taken would enable them to always care for each other. Virginia’s Affirmation of Marriage Act robbed them of that peace of mind.

HB 751, which became Virginia Code Section 20–45.3, prohibits people of the same sex from entering into legal arrangements “purporting to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage.” Many lawyers believe the law could impact wills, medical directives, powers of attorney, and other legal documents, not just between same-sex couples, but between any persons of the same sex.

Suzanne Moe, Photo by Scott Neville, Free Lance-Star Virginia artist Suzanne Moe put a human face on the people targeted by this controversial legislation, interviewing her friends after they made their decision to leave their home. Combined with family photos, and music from Uppity Blues Woman Gaye Adegbalola, Moe’s partner and close friend of the couple, "A Love Story in the Face of Hate" provides an insightful, entertaining and educational glimpse into the often misunderstood “gay lifestyle.”


This story, however, transcends gay rights—it is a story about human rights.

Though she planned only to screen the documentary for friends, to help them understand why Barbara and Tibby had to leave, Moe’s documentary—and the powerful story it tells—has taken on a life of its own. The documentary already has been shown throughout the state, including a screening by Equality Virginia, the state’s leading gay-rights organization, at the Virginia General Assembly’s lobbying day during the 2005 session. Though the law has passed, and Barbara and Tibby have left Virginia, the controversy is far from over. During the 2005 session, the General Assembly passed an amendment that would write this anti-gay discrimination in to the Virginia Constitution. It will go before the legislature again during the 2006 session, and if it’s passed there, could be put before voters as early as November 2006.

“Inform, educate and activate,” Moe said. “That is our mission.”

* * *
Attorney Leila Kilgore provides legal interpretation.
Also included are three songs by Gaye Adegbalola (of Saffire-The Uppity Blues Women), with accompaniment by Roddy Barnes.

* * *
Copies of “Love Story” DVD are available for sale, and public screenings, complete with an educational program, are being arranged.



http://www.sumoe.com/lovestory/


59 posted on 12/18/2005 10:43:19 PM PST by kcvl
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To: edpc

Ah - good one! Best FR Pun of the Day! (gets my vote!!!!!!!!!!)


60 posted on 12/18/2005 10:45:08 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: tsipple

61 posted on 12/18/2005 10:46:33 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: tsipple

Barf alert:

Some choose to leave - New documentary tells story of longtime lesbian couple who left Virginia

62 posted on 12/18/2005 10:48:25 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: PAR35
Wonder what brand of church.

A Unitarian Universalist couple leaves Virginia to preserve their rights.

Unitarian Universalist - is a liberal religion and life. We believe that personal experience, conscience and reason should be the final authorities in religion, and that in the end religious authority lies not in a book or person or institution, but in ourselves. We are a "non-creedal" religion: we do not ask anyone to subscribe to a creed.

http://www.uua.org/aboutuu/

63 posted on 12/18/2005 10:51:33 PM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Whadda surprise - not. I would also not have been surprised to see these ladies hooked up with the United Methodist church which has become amazingly liberal in recent years. As a result, I dropped out.


64 posted on 12/18/2005 10:53:39 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

In a new documentary titled A Love Story - In the Face of Hate, lesbian couple Barbara Kenny (right) and Tibby Middleton, share their history and explain why they decided to leave Virginia. (Photo courtesy of SuMo Productions)

“I feel that Barbara and Tibby helped put a face on the law,” Moe says of Kenny and Middleton. “Once you get to know these women, you can put a human dimension on the consequences of [the] law.”

“A Love Story — In the Face of Hate,” starts off laden with emotion, due to the soulful singing of lesbian musician Gaye Adegbalola, a longtime member of Saffire-the Uppity Blues Women. In the 38-minute film, she sings: “They came for the black, they came for the Jew, they came after them, they might come after you.”

Moe, a graphic artist, and Adegbalola have been together for 14 years. Moe directed and produced the documentary, which focuses on two women who met in high school, parted ways and later got together again. Before moving to Maryland, they lived for years in Fredericksburg, Va.

More...

65 posted on 12/18/2005 11:02:02 PM PST by kcvl
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
The lesbian couple depicted in the film first met while attending the same high school in Salt Lake City, Utah. After graduating, they parted ways.

Middleton married a man and became active in her Mormon church and had two children. Kenny, who has an interest in art and drag racing, became a psychotherapist.

One graceful moment occurs when Tibby, a former teacher in Fairfax County, says that upon the two women’s reunion, Barbara asked her if she was happy.

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Moe includes commentary in the film from Leila Kilgore, a Fredricksburg attorney who opposes the law and talks in the documentary about how it could affect gay couples’ wills, joint property and bank accounts (LIAR!).

“Virginia is not for lovers,” Kilgore says in the film. “It’s not about love.”

66 posted on 12/18/2005 11:06:00 PM PST by kcvl
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

Tibby Middleton (left) and Barbara Kenny play their guitars together at home. They're leaving Virginia because of a law that may invalidate legal documents they have to protect each other.

67 posted on 12/18/2005 11:08:24 PM PST by kcvl
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To: kcvl

Caption: Tibby and Barbara singing, "Kumbayah...."


68 posted on 12/18/2005 11:09:46 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: tsipple

Film will be used to educate

March 13, 2005 1:09 am


By LAURA L. HUTCHISON
Couple's story being shared


When Fredericksburg artist Suzanne Moe first picked up her video camera to make a documentary about her friends, she never could have imagined the paths it would take her down.

She wanted to tell the story of Barbara Kenny and Tibby Middleton, a lesbian couple who'd been a vital part of the Fredericksburg community for years. They were her friends, and a Virginia law that went into effect last year made them feel they had to leave the state they'd called home for decades.

The documentary was intended to explain to friends at the Unitarian Universalist fellowship, which Moe and the couple both attend, why they had to leave.

But the small documentary turned into a big project, and now Moe's film is being distributed around the state and the country.

"Inform, educate and activate," Moe said. "That is our mission."


http://tinyurl.com/bxv9a



GAY COUPLE MAKE FILM OF GAY COUPLE (did I mention they are all gay?)


Gaye Adegbalola, Moe’s partner and close friend of the couple


"A Love Story in the Face of Hate" provides an insightful, entertaining and educational glimpse into the often misunderstood “gay lifestyle.”


69 posted on 12/18/2005 11:12:38 PM PST by kcvl
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

Study Guide:
A study guide is now available for download at: www.sumoe.com/lovestory/LoveStoryGuide.pdf

This 38 minute DVD can be used as a tool to educate, facilitate and promote informed discussions within a variety of group or classroom settings.*

Educate:
BRING IT! (to your school…)
by Candace Gingrich
Youth Outreach Manager
Human Rights Campaign

In 2004 the Virginia state legislature passed the most draconian measure in the country, prohibiting contracts which “purport to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage” between two individuals of the same gender. A Love Story in the Face of Hate is an inspiring and educational documentary that looks at this law’s impact through the eyes of one couple, forced to leave the state when the discriminatory legislation went into effect.

Barbara Kenny and Tibby Middleton, both in their 60s, aren’t activists; they are two people who have loved each other for nearly 40 years and simply wanted to live out the rest of their lives together, confident that legal steps they’d taken would enable them to always care for each other. After Barbara was diagnosed with a brain aneurysm, these issues were of even greater importance. Unable to risk having their legal contracts invalidated by the new law, the couple made the difficult decision to leave Virginia.

Barbara and Tibby provide a very real glimpse into the misunderstood and often demonized "lifestyle" of GLBTQ America, and by doing so, they put a face on the law’s oppression and its far-reaching consequences. The battle against this specific legislation in Virginia, and similar legislation across the country, continues. Learn the policies of your state and promote informed discussions in your community.*

The documentary also features three songs by Gaye Adegbalola of Saffire-The Uppity Blues Women.


http://www.sumoe.com/lovestory/support.html


* Educators: share this film with your students!
A Discussion & Study Guide is available for download at: www.sumoe.com/lovestory/LoveStoryGuide.pdf


70 posted on 12/18/2005 11:17:06 PM PST by kcvl
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

From Fredericknewspost.com

Their Love Is Here To Stay

Opinion: Joe Volz

December 9, 2005

The couple first met as Utah high school students but lost touch when they graduated a half-century ago. A decade later, they got in touch again and fell in love. They will celebrate their 40th anniversary together next month. It will not be a wedding anniversary, however. Frederick’s Barbara Kenny and Tibby Middleton, both 67, are banned by Maryland law from getting married. Their crime? They are lesbians. The News-Post’s Katie Leslie wrote of their dilemma on page A-1 on Wednesday.

Ms. Kenny, a retired psychotherapist, and Ms. Middleton, who was a Fairfax County high school teacher, are not rabble rousers. No, they made the best of it living as second-class citizens for years in Virginia.

That is, until last year when the state legislature passed a law prohibiting any contracts “purporting to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage” between those of the same sex.


http://tinyurl.com/9fe6h



Equality Maryland, the state’s largest Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT) civil rights organization





"Teach the Facts - Just Say NOW to Comprehensive and Inclusive Health Education"


Equality Maryland co-sponsors the screening "Views of Justice Film Series: Cruel and Unusual"


"Queer Eye for the Bible" at Annapolis Church
(Annapolis, Maryland) Queer Eye for the Bible - a hard hitting look at how the Bible has been used to control, condemn and hate a multitude of groups over the centuries.


Equality Maryland and National Black Justice Coalition Unveil New Publication on Homosexuality and the Black Community


South Africa’s Highest Court Rules In Favor Of Marriage Equality


Equality Maryland Expands Advocacy Efforts with New Lobbyist


Efforts To Force Gay-Related Bills To Referendum Die


Episcopal Diocese Of Maryland Rejects Marriage Discrimination


Equality Maryland Urges Montgomery County Public Schools To Stick By Decision To Teach The Facts


71 posted on 12/18/2005 11:23:48 PM PST by kcvl
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace

Bring it! To your campus...

A Love Story DVDIn 2004 the Virginia state legislature passed the most draconian measure in the country, prohibiting contracts which "purport to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage" between two individuals of the same gender. A Love Story in the Face of Hate is an inspiring and educational documentary that looks at this law's impact through the eyes of one couple, forced to leave the state when the discriminatory legislation went into effect.

Barbara Kenny and Tibby Middleton, both in their 60s, aren't activists; they are two people who have loved each other for nearly 40 years and simply wanted to live their lives together, confident that legal steps they'd taken would enable them to always care for each other. But Barbara was diagnosed with a brain aneurysm and unable to risk having their legal contracts invalidated by the new law, the couple decided to leave their home state.

Barbara and Tibby put a face on the law's oppression and its far-reaching consequences. The battle against this specific legislation in Virginia, and similar legislation across the country, continues. Learn the policies of your state and promote informed discussions at your school. This 38 minute DVD can be used as a tool to educate, facilitate and promote informed discussions within a variety of group or classroom settings. The documentary also features three songs by Gaye Adegbalola of Saffire-The Uppity Blues Women.

More information including a study guide, additional downloadable resource materials, and ordering options are available at: http://www.sumoe.com/lovestory/

Did you receive this from a friend? Want to sign up to receive Gen EQ News? E-mail campus@hrc.org to subscribe


Human Rights Campaign


72 posted on 12/18/2005 11:26:19 PM PST by kcvl
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To: tsipple

Escape from the red states: gay parents can wake up to find that their home state wants to break up their family. Some fight back; others simply leave for friendlier locales

Advocate, The, July 19, 2005 by Kelly Griffith


Boxes are stacked in the garage, the walls are barren, and an air mattress on the den floor serves as bed for the night in the Orlando, Fla., home of Janine Kirchgassner, 45, and Julia Robertson, 43, and their children, Jessica, 6, and Matthew, 4. It's their last day living here, and the moms look tired. They have a right to--it's their second move in three years.

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When Virginia passed its law last year, that rendered moot many contracts between gay partners, Barbara Kenny, 66, and Tibby Middleton, 67, knew it was time to leave their home state of more than 35 years.

For years the couple had numerous legal documents protecting them in case of sickness or death, but the law seemed to make many of them useless. "I said, 'Tib, let's go,'" Kenny says.



More...


http://tinyurl.com/bqurv


73 posted on 12/18/2005 11:29:25 PM PST by kcvl
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To: tsipple
(Impeachment): Blacks Have Stake in Clinton Trial

Associated Press continues to feed the media fantasy that the impeachment proceedings against Clinton are all about his racial policies. AP reporter Michelle Boorstein went out of her way to elicit some of these reponses from "representative" black citizens:


Writer Michelle Boorstein smears Caner thusly:

Most of his books have focused on Islam's "trail of blood," as he calls Islamic history, and when prominent Southern Baptist leaders call Muhammad a "demon-possessed pedophile" — angering Muslims worldwide — they have cited Caner as their source.

it would be far more helpful when writing about an author, it's often helpful to at least skim through his latest book.


Selling Christian music without selling out

Michelle Boorstein, The Washington Post


Antiabortion Group Plans 'Campus'

by Michelle Boorstein
The Washington Post With its small sign and plain, wood-cabin-style design, the modest Stafford headquarters of the American Life League underplays what lies within: a plan to revolutionize the antiabortion movement.

74 posted on 12/18/2005 11:41:36 PM PST by kcvl
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To: JennysCool
Let me see if I have this right. They've lived a great life for 17 years in a community that respects them, and just because a law affirming marriage between a man and woman (which has been the status quo for far more than the last 17 years), is approved by the voters, they feel like they have to move?

Bye, Bye, girls.
75 posted on 12/19/2005 1:05:42 AM PST by caveat emptor
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To: brivette

Call a lawyer...you can appoint anyone you want to be in charge of your affairs. This is all about forcing homosexual marriage down our throats. It is not marriage. In my opinion Homosexual couples should not receive benefits and can do anything they wish in the privacy of their home. Keep your sex life private, it is of no interest to me.


76 posted on 12/19/2005 4:44:27 AM PST by nyconse
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To: nyconse

I don't think that the majority of gays are after "marriage" but are after benefits from the government that heterosexuals have. If you are born gay, make a commitment to a partner, why shouldn't they receive these benefits as tax paying citizens?


77 posted on 12/19/2005 4:55:19 AM PST by DooDahhhh
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To: kcvl
Unitarian Universalist - is a liberal religion and life. We believe that personal experience, conscience and reason should be the final authorities in religion, and that in the end religious authority lies not in a book or person or institution, but in ourselves. We are a "non-creedal" religion: we do not ask anyone to subscribe to a creed.

Translation: A lefty meeting-house with church tax-benefits

78 posted on 12/19/2005 5:15:16 AM PST by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the hubris to think they will be the planners)
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To: tsipple
In Canada, birth certificates now list "Partner #1" and "Partner #2", or something like that. This change is laughable, but also very sinister, since the labels it replaces are "father" and "mother." "Father" and "mother" are beyond the ability of the State to determine, but the new categorizations are not.

The precedent has been set for the State to determine how children will be assigned to parents. By severing the ties of children to their natural parents, this action also lays the groundwork for the State takeover of child-rearing.

79 posted on 12/19/2005 5:26:40 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: sgtyork
This is legal mumbo jumbo. If I can generate a living will, divorce papers, or a power of attorney with a PC program (idiot's guide to ....), why can't these people.

The problem isn't generating such a document, the problem is getting it's terms honored.

IMO, the concern is not theoretical, for example immediate family members at odds with designated decision makers appear to me to be in much stronger position given the wording of this law.

In my case, were I not married and lived in a state with this law, and given that I have serious reservations based on prior experience about the capability of my biological relatives to hone my wishes on these matters, I would be very concerned over the possibility of legal challenges to a DPA designating a non-relation as my decision maker.

80 posted on 12/19/2005 5:44:52 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: edpc

"My first thought after reading the initial few words was that she had a bad case of penis envy."

...

No, author annie proulx has that envy.. err I mean her alter ego Jack(ed) Twisted and his(her) 'ennis.


81 posted on 12/19/2005 5:50:03 AM PST by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: KellyAdmirer

Well, if they are sooooo scared, they can always go hide in the closet...


82 posted on 12/19/2005 5:50:07 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

Conditional medical power of attorney should do the trick in the instance you cited and can be assigned to anyone.


83 posted on 12/19/2005 5:52:49 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: EverOnward
Frederick is in Maryland, Fredricksburg is in Virginia.
84 posted on 12/19/2005 5:55:46 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: tsipple

It seems like Barbara and Tibby had an emotional over-reaction to the new law in Virginia that far outweighs any possible effect it might have on them. Because of that over-reaction, they have walked away from what appeared to be a fairly happy and well adjusted life, which is a shame.

Given the description of their lifestyle, I don't think they are going to be happy in the cookie-cutter conformity of exurban Frederick, Maryland. They should have looked at Ellicott City for something similar to what they had known.


85 posted on 12/19/2005 6:36:09 AM PST by gridlock (eliminate perverse incentives)
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To: Smokin' Joe
"Conditional medical power of attorney should do the trick in the instance you cited and can be assigned to anyone..."

Sure, you can legally designate such authority - the problem is getting such designations honored, especially in situations where there is substantial disagreement between "family members" and "designated decision makers".

In such situations it’s not as though you can just walk into the hospital, waive a signed power of attorney for health care around, and take charge; in such cases – especially if your “decision” is at odds with the judgment of medical professionals or immediate family members - you can find yourself in court attempting to excerpt control you expected would be automatic.

And that’s where this law, as written, starts to muddy the waters.

86 posted on 12/19/2005 6:36:39 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: M. Dodge Thomas

This is not exclusive to homosexuals. If your conflicts with your immediate family are so severe as to warrant you going to court, your already f**d, as I observe from my friend's messy divorce and glean from your own comment about prior experiences. Another example, the schiavo case was elevated by the conflict of immediate family vs. a spouse.

BTW, you must have meant honor, not hone.


87 posted on 12/19/2005 7:19:22 AM PST by sgtyork (jack murtha and the media -- unconditional surrender used to mean the enemy surrendered)
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To: kcvl

So basically, these two aren't Jane and Jean Doe as Mizz Boorstein tries to make them out to be. They're homosexual activists, who have cried "persecution" and let the entire world know how eeeeeeeeevil Virginia is.

Nice catch, kcvl.

}:-)4


88 posted on 12/19/2005 9:12:02 AM PST by Moose4 (Liberals and vampires: Both like death, both hate crosses, and both are bloodsuckers.)
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To: Aquinasfan
The precedent has been set for the State to determine how children will be assigned to parents.

This is hardly a new practice -- and properly so, in cases of genuine parental abuse and neglect.

89 posted on 12/19/2005 9:18:32 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: okie01
But, when the law IS interpreted, it will (almost certainly) be found that there has been no effect on conventional already-legal arrangements.

I'm sure that there are plenty of legal sharks out there figuring out how to use the new law to steal.

90 posted on 12/19/2005 9:20:28 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: kcvl

Thanks. These days you can't tell without a scorecard. They could have easily been PCUSA, Episcopal, or Methodist.


91 posted on 12/19/2005 9:21:26 AM PST by PAR35
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To: nyconse

Ultimately, the only solution is to separate marriage and state.


92 posted on 12/19/2005 9:21:48 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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To: edpc
ROFL

Post of the day!

93 posted on 12/19/2005 9:25:12 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: tsipple
It declared that couples like them were not entitled to any of the benefits or protections that straight, married couples got. [....]

More baloney from the comPost. Companies still have partner benefits.

94 posted on 12/19/2005 9:28:08 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: kcvl
We believe that personal experience, conscience and reason should be the final authorities in religion, and that in the end religious authority lies not in a book or person or institution, but in ourselves.

And if your personal experience, conscience, and reason should lead you to accept the divinity of Christ, pray the rosary, participate in pro-life protests outside abortion mills, reject homosexuality and preach sexual abstinence outside marriage ... you'll discover that the UUs don't agree that your "final authority in religion" belongs anywhere near their place, and they'll tell you to get the h*ll out of their church ... all in a very tolerant, non-authoritative manner, of course.

They're just as "creedal" as anyone else. Their creed is hedonism, liberalism, and rejection of Christianity.

95 posted on 12/19/2005 9:47:23 AM PST by Campion ("I am so tired of you, liberal church in America" -- Mother Angelica, 1993)
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To: sassbox
A Unitarian Universalist church - a.k.a. the Democrat party with a steeple.

Thats the truth. I saw a funny joke "Whats the difference between a Jewish friend and Unitarian friend? You Jewish friend will at least send you a Christmas card".

96 posted on 12/19/2005 9:51:26 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: CzarNicky
They appear to be leaving Fredericksburg, Virginia. They appear to be taking up residence in Frederick, Maryland.
97 posted on 12/19/2005 9:55:41 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: edpc
Then, after reading further, MY eyes narrowed when I realized I'd have two angry, man-hating, shapeless, frumpy women who smell of wet dog in my community.

Your loss is our gain.

98 posted on 12/19/2005 10:34:33 AM PST by nina0113
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To: steve-b
This is hardly a new practice -- and properly so, in cases of genuine parental abuse and neglect.

Homosexuals can't be natural parents. We've now established the precedent of the government assigning children to parents arbitrarily, that is, outside of the natural order. There is now no logical limit as to who, or what, will be allowed to raise children.

99 posted on 12/19/2005 10:39:13 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: khnyny

They KNOW the readers are stupid. Who else would subscribe to the leader of the Treason Media?


100 posted on 12/19/2005 10:42:08 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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