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Extinct mammoth DNA decoded
BBC News ^ | Sunday, 18 December 2005 | Helen Briggs

Posted on 12/18/2005 9:21:33 PM PST by planetesimal

Scientists have pieced together part of the genetic recipe of the extinct woolly mammoth.

The 5,000 DNA letters spell out the genetic code of its mitochondria, the structures in the cell that generate energy.

The research, published in the online edition of Nature, gives an insight into the elephant family tree.

It shows that the mammoth was most closely related to the Asian rather than the African elephant.

The three groups split from a common ancestor about six million years ago, with Asian elephants and mammoths diverging about half a million years later.

"We have finally resolved the phylogeny of the mammoth which has been controversial for the last 10 years," lead author Michael Hofreiter of the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, told the BBC News website.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dna; evolution; extinction; godsgravesglyphs; mammoth; mitchondria; sequencing; species
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The complete mitochondrial DNA of an extinct animal has been sequenced before but only for the flightless bird, the moa, which died out about 500 years ago.

This is, and mammoths are and always will be, cool.

1 posted on 12/18/2005 9:21:35 PM PST by planetesimal
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To: planetesimal

Let's clone them ala "The Lost World".


2 posted on 12/18/2005 9:23:05 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis)
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To: planetesimal

Only 5000 base-pairs to make a mitochondria? Wow.


3 posted on 12/18/2005 9:23:50 PM PST by SteveMcKing ("No empire collapses because of technical reasons. They collapse because they are unnatural.")
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To: planetesimal

I want a pet mammoth!!


4 posted on 12/18/2005 9:33:31 PM PST by Termite_Commander (Warning: Cynical Right-winger Ahead)
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To: planetesimal

People somewhere are starving so funds can go toward decoding the dna of an extinct elephant.


5 posted on 12/18/2005 9:37:06 PM PST by x5452
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To: planetesimal
Did they compare it to the DNA of Jerry Nadler for proof...
6 posted on 12/18/2005 9:42:43 PM PST by tubebender (You can't make Chicken Salad from Chicken Bleep...)
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To: x5452

"People somewhere are starving so funds can go toward decoding the dna of an extinct elephant."

Same could be said on the dinner you had tonight. Why didn't you give the money you spent on your dinner to starving kids in Africa?


7 posted on 12/18/2005 9:45:21 PM PST by Kirkwood
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To: planetesimal
Quaternary Park! Smildon too please!
8 posted on 12/18/2005 9:48:45 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Kirkwood

"People somewhere are starving so funds can go toward decoding the dna of an extinct elephant."


solve two problems with one cloning...

bring em back to life as meat animals :)>


9 posted on 12/18/2005 9:59:02 PM PST by Orion_Shall_Rise
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To: planetesimal

Extinct or just stinks?


10 posted on 12/18/2005 10:04:17 PM PST by msnimje (Political Correctness -- An OFFENSIVE attempt not to offend.)
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To: Kirkwood

Well lets see I actually ATE my dinner (all of it actually I was pretty hungry afterwords, still am really). I'm betting none of those scientist were eating mammoth. Even if they were it'd be an incredibly overpriced meal. This isn't useful science.

Also.

Most the folks interested in this kind of thing are avid evolution proponent. Darwin's law has ruled the mammoth isn't suited to the future. Move on already. Bare minimum this cash could instead be sent setting up space colonies at least that would be potentially useful.


11 posted on 12/18/2005 10:07:09 PM PST by x5452
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To: x5452

People somewhere are starving so funds can go toward decoding the dna of an extinct elephant.
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People are starving because their governments steal from them. If they had economic freedom, low taxes and strong private rights they would not starve.


Your argument is a white elephant.

DK


12 posted on 12/18/2005 10:10:24 PM PST by Dark Knight
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To: x5452
Now that is a silly assertion. People are starving, because they do not have the needed skills to survive in their environment. It has nothing to do with what we spend our time studying here, or anywhere else.

Or do you propose that we should all work as slaves on farms to feed the poor?

13 posted on 12/18/2005 10:11:02 PM PST by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: BnBlFlag; planetesimal

Yes, I think we should clone them. Woolly mammoths are cool. I'd love to see one.


14 posted on 12/18/2005 10:20:14 PM PST by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: pcottraux

I read a story with genetically engineered pets in it. German Shepherd sized elephants....way cool! No one was starving because they wasted money on Purina Elephant Chow though.

DK


15 posted on 12/18/2005 10:29:45 PM PST by Dark Knight
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To: x5452
People somewhere are starving so funds can go toward decoding the dna of an extinct elephant.

Wonderful. A scientific scrooge. The only people in this country that go hungry are too strung out on drugs or alcohol to stagger to the local soup kitchen.

16 posted on 12/18/2005 10:45:36 PM PST by Maynerd
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To: Maynerd
Wonderful. A scientific scrooge. The only people in this country that go hungry are too strung out on drugs or alcohol to stagger to the local soup kitchen.

Okay, give all the money for this study to me. I know I could put it to better use than determining DNA of a mammoth. Even if I used it all for skeet shooting it would be a more worthy cause.

17 posted on 12/19/2005 12:13:50 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: SteveMcKing
Only 5000 base-pairs to make a mitochondria? Wow.

No.

The mitochindria has a circular DNA molecule that is distinct from the chromosomal DNA (two pairs of 23 in humans). This refers to this mitochondrial DNA, sometimes referred to as satellite DNA. Most proteins of the mitochondria are coded for by chromosomal genes. The mitochondria is not "made" by these base pairs.

This link is to the sequence entry for the mamoth mitochondrial DNA at the National Center for Biotechnology Information. Like most mitochondrial DNA it codes for a handful of genes (13) and a subset of ribosomal RNA that are mitochondrial specific.

18 posted on 12/19/2005 12:26:56 AM PST by tallhappy (Juntos Podemos!)
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Someone ping me with some good mammoth barbeque recipes when they get a few herds of the beasts.


19 posted on 12/19/2005 12:29:06 AM PST by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: Dark Knight

"Your argument is a white elephant. "

Ha Ha Ha!


20 posted on 12/19/2005 12:29:43 AM PST by geopyg (Ever Vigilant, Never Fearful)
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To: x5452
People somewhere are starving so funds can go toward decoding the dna of an extinct elephant.

We have more people. Lots of them. Even useless people, like democRats and Moslems.

We don't have any mammoths. Yet.

21 posted on 12/19/2005 12:50:14 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: taxesareforever

Yeah - it's like all that money we waste on studying history. What's the point? It's already happened! We should spend it on shopping malls and nuclear fusion instead.


22 posted on 12/19/2005 1:18:40 AM PST by fragrant abuse
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To: Hank Rearden

I wonder if they have any tissue samples from Siberia - or better yet - frozen ovaries.


23 posted on 12/19/2005 1:41:55 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: Hank Rearden

I wonder if they have any tissue samples from Siberia - or better yet - frozen ovaries.


24 posted on 12/19/2005 1:41:58 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: planetesimal

And mammoths have more in common with Ted Kennedy than they do with Asian elephants.


25 posted on 12/19/2005 3:48:57 AM PST by manwiththehands ("Merry Christmas .... and Happy New Year ... you can take your seat now ...")
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To: planetesimal

Just the mitochondrial DNA? Come on...crank out a new copy of the nuclear DNA. And then let's build us some mammoths! :-D


26 posted on 12/19/2005 4:47:19 AM PST by Turbopilot (Nothing in the above post is or should be construed as legal research, analysis, or advice.)
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To: Dark Knight
Your argument is a white elephant.

White elephants are useless gifts. This case would be a mammoth fraud.........

27 posted on 12/19/2005 5:31:57 AM PST by Red Badger (And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him)
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To: patton
Or do you propose that we should all work as slaves on farms to feed the poor?

No, no. He only proposes that the scientists stop, think again and say, "Gee whiz. People are starving while we diddle with wooly mammoth mitochondria. Let's give it all to the starving poor, eh?"

28 posted on 12/19/2005 5:38:01 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (This is my tagline. There are many like it but this one is mine.)
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To: x5452
People somewhere are starving so funds can go toward decoding the dna of an extinct elephant.

Yes, people are starving in foreign nations, where the tyrants there pocket the foreign aid money meant for the starving people and destroy any non-state-run farms.

Unless you want to have the military invade those nations, which I am not completely against, there is nothing we can do for them with our money. So let's instead use our money to advance science and improve the quality of life for us.

29 posted on 12/19/2005 5:43:23 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: BnBlFlag
Let's clone them ala "The Lost World".

That would be the coollest thing ever.

30 posted on 12/19/2005 5:47:59 AM PST by RogueIsland
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To: Paul C. Jesup

My point is the funds should be used for something contructive, not uniting some geek with his child hood dream of petting a furry elephant.


31 posted on 12/19/2005 6:47:41 AM PST by x5452
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To: x5452

but imagine how many of them we could feed with a mammoth?


32 posted on 12/19/2005 6:50:12 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: absolootezer0

Are they particuraly edible? (Is this cost effective?) Wouldn't eating extinct meat violate animal protection laws?


33 posted on 12/19/2005 6:51:57 AM PST by x5452
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To: planetesimal

This guy remembers seeing a mammoth somewhere...


34 posted on 12/19/2005 6:54:46 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The Katrina Media never gets anything right, so why should I believe them?)
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To: djf
I wonder if they have any tissue samples from Siberia - or better yet - frozen ovaries.

You can harvest frozen ovaries from a frigid...oh never mind.


35 posted on 12/19/2005 6:56:57 AM PST by COBOL2Java (The Katrina Media never gets anything right, so why should I believe them?)
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To: Termite_Commander

That'd be cool, but the damned thing would shed to much. It'd be fun to drop off at the groomer though.


36 posted on 12/19/2005 7:03:45 AM PST by Dead Dog
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To: x5452

i'd assume they'd be as edible as an elephant, cost effective? possibly, can you imagine how much some people would pay for the chance to hunt these? and animal protection laws? if they successfully cloned one or two of these, there wouldn't need to be any more animal protection laws. ever. if we wipe something out, we can always make more :)


37 posted on 12/19/2005 7:34:50 AM PST by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: x5452
My point is the funds should be used for something contructive, not uniting some geek with his child hood dream of petting a furry elephant.

If you wish to line the pockets of tyrants with money, do so with your money, and not with mine.

To bring that which is lost is not only contructive, but grand. It is important for two reasons.

One, it let’s scientists learn and create new techniques in genetic manipulation and engineering in mammals without getting into ethical issues because it is not experimentation humans, but animals instead.

The medical applications in such research is already bearing fruit in geneslicing to treat and cure some hereditary diseases and some types of cancers like leukemia.

Two, it will give a deathblow to the environmental movement because “extinction” will no longer mean permanently lost.

38 posted on 12/19/2005 7:35:41 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: x5452
My point is the funds should be used for something contructive, not uniting some geek with his child hood dream of petting a furry elephant.

If you wish to line the pockets of tyrants with money, do so with your money, and not with mine.

To bring back that which is lost is not only contructive, but grand. It is important for two reasons.

One, it let’s scientists learn and create new techniques in genetic manipulation and engineering in mammals without getting into ethical issues because it is not experimentation humans, but animals instead.

The medical applications in such research is already bearing fruit in geneslicing to treat and cure some hereditary diseases and some types of cancers like leukemia.

Two, it will give a deathblow to the environmental movement because “extinction” will no longer mean permanently lost.

39 posted on 12/19/2005 7:36:27 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: x5452
My point is the funds should be used for something constructive, not uniting some geek with his child hood dream of petting a furry elephant.

knowledge is a funny thing in that it has the ability to be a force multiplier.

Knowing about the similarities/differences in the genetic make-up of various critters gives a ton of insight as to how the Maker put all this together.

At some point we might prosper from this knowledge so that we might again throw a bunch of money down the hole called Mogadishu.

40 posted on 12/19/2005 7:39:02 AM PST by corkoman (Uncompassionate Conservative, (incompassionate?, non-compassionate?))
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To: BnBlFlag
"Let's clone them ala "The Lost World".

If we hurry, we could be marketing Mammoth's Wool sweaters by next fall.

;o)
41 posted on 12/19/2005 7:41:15 AM PST by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

It's hardly constructive, evolution has spoken; the mammoth is no more because it isn't suited for survival. Bringing it back plays dangerous games with the eco-system.


42 posted on 12/19/2005 7:42:34 AM PST by x5452
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To: x5452
It's hardly constructive, evolution has spoken; the mammoth is no more because it isn't suited for survival. Bringing it back plays dangerous games with the eco-system.

Your above statement is an oxymoron. You wish to support evolution, yet you support enviromental laws which go against evolution and protect animals and plants that would naturally go extinct.

If you want to be against science, fine. State it up front and be honest about it, but don't hide behind false reasons and lies.

You just want to decrease the quality of life for humanity.

43 posted on 12/19/2005 8:17:10 AM PST by Paul C. Jesup
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To: COBOL2Java

Lol! I had a girlfriend once with frozen ovaries. She still sends a chill down my spine.

In more ways than one!


44 posted on 12/19/2005 8:43:29 AM PST by djf (Bush wants to make Iraq like America. Solution: Send all illegal immigrants to Iraq!)
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To: fragrant abuse
We should spend it on shopping malls and nuclear fusion instead.

The more nukes the better. And shopping malls, yeah.

45 posted on 12/19/2005 10:27:43 AM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach

mtDNA? boring. :')

Decoding of Mammoth Genome Might Lead to Resurrection
LiveScience | 19 December 2005 | Robert Roy Britt
Posted on 12/19/2005 12:02:45 PM PST by SunkenCiv
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1543467/posts


46 posted on 12/19/2005 12:03:43 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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Just adding this to the GGG catalog, not sending a general distribution.

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47 posted on 12/19/2005 12:04:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: Termite_Commander

I want one too... :)

Wonder if it can fit under a Christmas tree?


48 posted on 12/19/2005 12:05:07 PM PST by najida (I yam wadda yam.)
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To: SteveMcKing
Only 5000 base-pairs to make a mitochondria? Wow.

I think they have it wrong. This reference says 16853 base pairs.

49 posted on 12/19/2005 1:07:42 PM PST by Right Wing Professor (Liberals have hijacked science for long enough. Now it's our turn -- Tom Bethell)
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To: Paul C. Jesup

Why not bring back all of past history for our amusement? Life and the time goes on....and so does death (or reality, if you prefer)


50 posted on 08/16/2006 9:14:05 PM PDT by ed ict
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