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SLAMMING ST. ICK (ex-Marine forced to apologize to Christmas-hating sickos)
NY POST ^ | 12/19/05 | DAN KADISON

Posted on 12/19/2005 4:32:33 AM PST by Liz


SEMPER ‘FIE’: Julius Spohn, outraged by the gross Santa display...ripped it down, but later apologized. Photo: Rick Dembow

A former Marine took a stab at saving the Christmas spirit yesterday — knocking over a bloody, knife-wielding Santa that was part of a controversial display outside a Manhattan home.

Julius Spohn, 64, of Newark, said he had read about the display in The Post and wanted to see the macabre scene in front of the East 18th Street brownstone belonging to Joel Krupnik and Mildred Castellanos.

Curious after seeing it, he opened the gate, walked into the small front yard and knocked down the "Bad Santa." "I think it's atrocious," said Spohn of the display..............

Krupnik has said he erected the sickening Christmas display in protest against the commercialization of the holiday.

But Spohn called it "an insult to people on this block, to the community in general."

.....Krupnik's 16-year-old daughter, Darla, was inside the tony brownstone — and confronted Spohn. When she demanded to know what he was doing, Spohn said he replied, "I'm ripping this piece of garbage down."

Darla called the police.

"Somebody taking [Santa's head] off and his body down — that's creepy," Darla said later. Darla said the entire display — which she claimed is welcomed by most people — will go back up. The family is even discussing next year's display, she said, which may include one of Santa's elf helpers driving a hammer down on another elf's severed noggin.

On Saturday, the family hung a new doll head on the tree after the original head was stolen last week by a Brooklyn group calling itself The 7th Avenue Boys for a Merry Christmas.

Spohn said.....the display wasn't considered the sort of freedom he was protecting while serving in the military, he added.

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Krupnik has said he erected the sickening Christmas display in protest against the commercialization of the holiday.

Duh, yup, sure. Alls of us'n really bulieves this Christmas-hating lunatic.

Only deranged minds would engage in this kind of atrocity.

These crackpots demonstrate a visceral hatred of Christians, Christmas, and its sacred meaning to billions of people around the world.

There's a place for sickos like this: a padded cell, in straitjackets.

Better yet, Joel and Mildred, if you don't like the way I celebrate Christmas, then GTH out of my country.

1 posted on 12/19/2005 4:32:34 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
This "Marine" should be charged with trespassing and malicious destruction of property for starters.

Being outraged does not give one the right to criminal behavior.

2 posted on 12/19/2005 4:40:52 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Liz
Good for you Julius, Santa is not the reason for the season anyway, I never let my children believe in this popular lie about a fat man in a red suit and flying raindeers, I couldn't bear the guilt of lying to my children to have them later be disappointed. What a scam to take the meaning away from Jesus Christ our presious savior.
3 posted on 12/19/2005 4:40:56 AM PST by garylmoore (Homosexuality: Obviously unnatural, so obviously wrong.)
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To: SunnySide
Now I'm off to write a large donation check to Focus on The Family. A wonderful organization gifted with *wisdom* for the centuries instead of daily rating sound bites used by the biased liberal media to promote anti-Christianity and anti-Family vitriol. Focus on The Famly is wisdom, something whacky liberals are incapable of wrapping their collective thin-skinned minds around.

The abysmal event described here also serves to underline the cultural undermining going on, which Focus on The Family might address.

4 posted on 12/19/2005 4:41:54 AM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: ActionNewsBill
...this "Marine" should be charged with trespassing and malicious destruction of property for starters...

Fair enough. As long as you're charged with first-degree pomposity, Bill.

I know which of you two the jury would send to the Big House.

5 posted on 12/19/2005 4:45:30 AM PST by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Liz

Although Julius Spohn should not have gone on private property to commit such an act (loudly applauding him), the crack pot Krupnik that erected the Santa actually incited the act.


6 posted on 12/19/2005 4:45:43 AM PST by Dustbunny (Christ is the reason for the season)
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To: garylmoore

Good man Gary. I hope you work hard to make the realities of life clear to your kids at a very early age, no tooth fairy, no Santa, no Easter Bunny, nothing to smile and laugh about at an early age. Get them going now for the realities of adult life. No break for your kids.


7 posted on 12/19/2005 4:46:39 AM PST by armydawg1 (" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
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To: Liz

Bravo, Marine, Bravo!


8 posted on 12/19/2005 4:46:57 AM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: Liz
I am a fervent believer in Christ, celebrate Chrismas, and I agree the person who put this up is a hateful, shriveled up spiteful little rat turd.

I also have no idea why Santa is a holy part of Christmas..., and yes, I know the history of St. Nicholas. When I see what Christmas has become, I think strangling "Santa Claus" might not be a bad idea myself.

Is it possible to love the idea of Christmas and hate with all your being what it has become?

As an aside, we celebrated Christmas a week early, as my wife is flying out to visit relatives today and yesterday was the last day we would all be together. For various reasons, we had two people join our family for the meal and for presents. One of these kids was Mexican and not very wealthy at all. When the gifts were opened, he pointed to a box and to me and said in his broken English "For you." It turned out that many months ago, I had enlisted him to help me move some stuff, and I complimented him on his Nike sneakers. The kid remembered that, and when we invited him in to share Chistmas meal with us, he went out an bought me an identical pair for Christmas! I have seldom been so moved by an expression of simple love and generosity, as his budget was not one that made such a purchase "easy." If there is a reason to keep St Nicholas in Christmas, that kind of stuff it is. I would be more in favor of Santa displays if there were some way to get that kind of stuff in there, rather than "BUY BUY BUY!!!!"

9 posted on 12/19/2005 4:48:06 AM PST by chronic_loser ((Handle provided free of charge as flame bait for the neurally vacant.))
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To: Liz

Funny how this piece of crap is tolerated and protected as "free speech" but when it's about Jesus, all of a sudden it's "forcing your beliefs on someone else" and "offensive". Glad these folks aren't my neighbors. I'd be really concerned about living near someone who would even THINK UP something like that, much less have the nerve to be so in-your-face as to actually put up something that they know would be so offensive to everyone else.


10 posted on 12/19/2005 4:48:09 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Liz

While we don't have to like the display, the guy was in the wrong. He did tresspass and tear up the owners' property.


11 posted on 12/19/2005 4:48:48 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: Liz
"I'm ripping this piece of garbage down."

'Nuf said. Too bad he apologized, because he had nothing to apologize for. The ghouls who set this up should have been apologizing!

12 posted on 12/19/2005 4:53:10 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Liz

"The abysmal event described here also serves to underline the cultural undermining going on, which Focus on The Family might address."

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The faux Santa display used to insult the "fun" spirited side of Christmas was an obvious trap set to provoke. The neighbors knew who Mildred and her significant other were the moment they put that immature display of antagonism in their yard.

When evil tells you who he, she, they are, believe them.
Just don't allow them to trick or sucker you into their games.


13 posted on 12/19/2005 4:54:13 AM PST by SunnySide (Ephes2:8 ByGraceYou'veBeenSavedThruFaithAGiftOfGodSoNoOneCanBoast)
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To: garylmoore

And I'll bet you were sure to tell their little friends who did believe in Santa.......that it was all a lie!


14 posted on 12/19/2005 4:59:25 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: chronic_loser
You are so missing the point. Of course it's buy buy buy.

You bought the little boy a pair of sneakers and he bought you a pair as a way to say thank you. If that isn't the Christmas spirit I don't know what it!

15 posted on 12/19/2005 5:01:35 AM PST by OldFriend (The Dems enABLEd DANGER and 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Liz

Bravo , Bravo , Semper Fi and a Merry Christmas to him and his whole family . . .


16 posted on 12/19/2005 5:02:47 AM PST by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: armydawg1

There is plenty to smile and laugh about at an early age without Santa and the Tooth Fairy. The world is full of real miracles, should we choose to see them, and our faith teaches us that the ultimate joy awaits beyond.

The ex-marine, well intentioned though he might have been, picked the wrong battle. If you are going to break the law to destroy an evil symbol, do it for Christ, not for Santa.

Now, if anyone put a photo of "Piss-Christ" in their front yard...


17 posted on 12/19/2005 5:04:32 AM PST by Huber ("The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." - Edmund Burke)
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To: mtbopfuyn
While we don't have to like the display, the guy was in the wrong. He did tresspass and tear up the owners' property.

While I sympathize with his actions, I agree with you. Unlike liberals, he's taking responsibility for his actions.

18 posted on 12/19/2005 5:04:35 AM PST by Toadman
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To: lionheart 247365

Guy should be given a medal for bravery in the face of the "savage Christmas-hating enemy."


19 posted on 12/19/2005 5:07:20 AM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: Liz

The man has no impulse control.


20 posted on 12/19/2005 5:08:34 AM PST by verity (The MSM is a National disgrace.)
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To: Old Sarge

"Merry Christmas to our military men and women."

21 posted on 12/19/2005 5:10:39 AM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: lionheart 247365

thank you nypost for giving the location of this ""nyc mansion .""
Julius Spohn, you beat me to it!
Semper Fi !


22 posted on 12/19/2005 5:11:29 AM PST by catroina54
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To: metmom

Amen.


These two crackpots are not fooling anybody......they used "commercialization" as the peg to hang their Christmas animus.


23 posted on 12/19/2005 5:14:18 AM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: chronic_loser; SunnySide; OldFriend; StarCMC; Kathy in Alaska; Diva Betsy Ross; All

I wish I could tell people on Freerepublic my opinions regarding Santa without being flamed as ignorant racist bigot, like I was last Christmas day.

But Chronic, your aside story tells me that you at least appreciate what Santa means to me - and a whole raft of soldiers here in Iraq who have been raised up by FReepers and their generosity.

Santa has visited my troops, not just on 24 DEC, but every week since we arrived in Ramadi. The spirit of that generosity, sharing the bounty of THEIR Christian belief, will make joy here for us. THAT, FRiend, is what Santa's iconography is about, not just a knee-jerk commercial hate.

All gifts come thru Christ, and Santa is a very special delivery guy, an agent of His will, just as so many of us are.

But this year, Santa is wearing ACU's and is bringing presents to Iraq - freedom being one of them. Santa's always been a part of the season for me, and these last two years, because of Freerepublic's good people, I and my family and my soldiers have seen the spirit of Santa mixed in with the true meaning of Christmas.


24 posted on 12/19/2005 5:17:14 AM PST by Old Sarge (In a Hole in the Ground, there Lived a Fobbit...)
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To: Aquinasfan

Someone should have reported the two loons to Child Welfare----for endangering children.


25 posted on 12/19/2005 5:21:08 AM PST by Liz (You may not be interested in politics; doesn't mean politics isn't interested in you. Pericles)
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To: garylmoore
You could tell them about the true story of St. Nicholas.

Nicholas was born during the third century in Patara, a village in what is now Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man. Bishop Nicholas became known throughout the land for his generosity to the those in need, his love for children, and his concern for sailors and ships.

26 posted on 12/19/2005 5:22:12 AM PST by mbynack
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To: Liz

Exactly, if a legal argument exists for preventing the display of American flags (Amherst, MA), the awful 'insult' of a Christian creche (you pick the town from the ACLU list), and a home owner is legally liable for what happens if the don't block access to an 'attractive nuisance' - I don't see where this unvarnishted insult to Christmas, both secular and religious, was clearly meant to provoke and demean.

Kudos to this ex-Marine who knocked it down and then accepted responsibility. Unlike the moronic coward who destroyed the creche in New Hamshire and ran away.


27 posted on 12/19/2005 5:25:21 AM PST by NHResident (i)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie
As long as you're charged with first-degree pomposity, Bill.

I just call them the way I see them.

If this clown was still an active Marine, I have no doubt he would be charged with conduct unbecoming a US Marine.

28 posted on 12/19/2005 5:31:30 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Liz

Good work, Marine. As usual.


29 posted on 12/19/2005 5:39:22 AM PST by DieHard the Hunter (I am the Chieftain of my Clan. I bow to nobody. Get out of my way.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

My thoughts too.

We're supposed to be a nation of laws.


30 posted on 12/19/2005 5:42:55 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: Old Sarge

*smooches!*


31 posted on 12/19/2005 5:46:06 AM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: Liz; Old Sarge

What an idiotic display. My kids know the reason for the season is Jesus, but good Lord, we do have fun with SAnta. I get so sick and tired of people thinking that they cannot peacefully coexist. ARGH!


32 posted on 12/19/2005 5:48:48 AM PST by StarCMC (Old Sarge is my hero...doing it right in Iraq! Vaya con Dios, Sarge.)
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To: ActionNewsBill
At some point our country is going to have to fact the fact that inflammatory speech has consequences.

I consider this one small rung in the ladder to the culture war that has been brewing for some time. The dirty nasty leftist love to push the envelope of decency and tolerance- just to see how far the limit is for good normal folks... they have been lucky up to this point. IMO- Someone, like this freak family, is going to get hurt over this kind of nonsense.

Freedom of expressions does not mean you are protected from consequences of hate. If that Santa were not white skinned the media would be in an uproar.

If my child thought for one moment that display were funny I would know I have failed as a parent. All those parents have done is spawn a Michale Moore fat head.

33 posted on 12/19/2005 5:49:27 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Thank you troops.)
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To: Old Sarge
Thanks for the ping Sarge. As long as people believe ~ Santa exists. There are more people with love in their hearts than there are with hate.

For good news: I was wished a Merry Christmas yesterday by a Chinese friend and a Muslim shop keeper, and when I looked at them with a big smile and a big thank you- it seemed that they were gratified to have said something nice and meaningful to me. Seriously.

There is good and bad.. it is ebb and flow....and Santa is real... Always remember that! :]

Merry Christmas!

34 posted on 12/19/2005 5:56:15 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Thank you troops.)
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To: ActionNewsBill
I think you have made you point. I for one would appreciate it if you would stop degrading this man. I understand that his behavior was not lawful- but even Marines are human- he attacked a hateful statute not a person. Lets get some perspective. It was wrong- but human. It may have been unbecoming of a Marine- but this man is not a clown.

Look at your language and choice of words here-

people in glass houses.....

35 posted on 12/19/2005 6:05:24 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Thank you troops.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
Someone, like this freak family, is going to get hurt over this kind of nonsense.

If that does indeed happen, the perpetrators who cause any harm to this somewhat non-conformist family should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

36 posted on 12/19/2005 6:06:52 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Liz

He was wrong but his heart was in the right place. LOL


37 posted on 12/19/2005 6:07:11 AM PST by TNdandelion
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
...he attacked a hateful statute not a person.

In your opinion and his it was hateful.

Not everyone shares your opinion.

38 posted on 12/19/2005 6:09:22 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill
Another of my faves is "Screw with the bull- get the horn".

These kinds of people have been getting a free ride in America for a very long time. Face it- at some point these freaks are going to saturate the market on free speech and find the breaking point they so crave.

Attention whores, like this, will get some attention all right- because people are HUMAN. I am not advocating violence against this family- but I would understand how it would happen. These people may want to learn why it is we have respect for people and their beliefs- part of the reason why is so we can all get along.

39 posted on 12/19/2005 6:13:41 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Thank you troops.)
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To: ActionNewsBill
Non conformist family??

YOu mean- This passive agressive- hate filled ,group of dysfunctional freaks. :]

They have failed as a "family" they are a group of idiots living together and Co-raising each other.

40 posted on 12/19/2005 6:17:07 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Thank you troops.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
This passive agressive- hate filled ,group of dysfunctional freaks.

From the article:

Krupnik has said he erected the sickening Christmas display in protest against the commercialization of the holiday.

Sounds to me like they are making a valid point in a non-conformist way.

Hate-filled?

I think not.

41 posted on 12/19/2005 6:29:48 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
At some point our country is going to have to fact the fact that inflammatory speech has consequences.

I don't think anyone wants to open that can of worms -- especially since the ultimate extenstion of that idea is complete legal chaos.

At any rate, the basic notion of "inflammatory speech" stops at the property line, and this guy had no business trespassing and destroying someone's personal property to make his point.

42 posted on 12/19/2005 6:30:39 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: ActionNewsBill
Definitely hate filled. Hate filled and self centered. And small children seeing a fake murder played out in front of their eyes are supposed to understand that the freaks are just anti capitalists, not trying to show Santa as a mass murderer.. right?

Oh, ok.

43 posted on 12/19/2005 6:32:47 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Thank you troops.)
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To: Alberta's Child
Oh I disagree. I know that is the can of worms these kinds of people are trying to open.

We are not protected from the repercussions of hate speech.

These people are anarchists- that is what motivates people to do these kinds of things.

44 posted on 12/19/2005 6:37:48 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Thank you troops.)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

"Fair enough. As long as you're charged with first-degree pomposity, Bill."

Actually Bill is right on the money. If this former Marine was caught on MY yard destroying anything, He probably would need medical treatment.
Just last week we were excoriating a Jewish women in North Carolina who was "outraged" over a Christian sign at a McDonald's. The vast majority of us sided with the McDonald's owner. In my opinion, this is the same thing. That is the homeowner's right of free speech. We can be outraged but we do not have the right to destroy his property. If we are to have credibility, we should strive for consistency. Pomposity? If you think so that is your right, but you cannot damage me or my property over it.


45 posted on 12/19/2005 6:39:18 AM PST by Long Distance Rider
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
And small children seeing a fake murder played out in front of their eyes are supposed to understand that the freaks are just anti capitalists, not trying to show Santa as a mass murderer.. right?

I would imagine they have seen worse things on TV or at the movies.

46 posted on 12/19/2005 6:42:28 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: ActionNewsBill
Umm.. no not all children watch TV. My children have never seen anything like that and God willing never will.

This is harassment, hate speech, nothing more. It is meant to anger and hurt people.

IT is meant to frighten children and inflame their parents.

And when our society gives an OK to things worse than Hollywood could invent we are in sad shape.

47 posted on 12/19/2005 6:47:34 AM PST by Diva Betsy Ross (Thank you troops.)
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To: Liz
All Good Points.

I believe that while it was trespassing and destruction of property and should be subject to law, he did the right thing.

I don't necessarily think though he should be prosecuted. if anything, give 'em both d.c. tickets--IMHO, if he didn't do it, someone else eventually would have. Plus, it's not like Julius saw a brownhouse and vandalized it. That would be trespass and destruction of property. He walked through a gate and put the display on the ground.

If these Nutts were able to hang their gory display back up, folks, did he really destroy any property? IMHO, not at all.

However, free speech is not absolute, and Uncle Joel here needs to learn that. Speech that is hateful, gruesome, obscene, or depicts something clearly beyond poor taste is generally held NOT to be protected speech.

What Joel should have realized is that by displaying such a perverted display, he'd be instigating his own problem. It's a lot like yanking the dog's ears and tail until he bites you, then trying to have the dog put down because he bit you.

Having a beef about Christmas is his own can of worms. If that's what this Scrooge thinks, fine. While I'm sorry he believes it, that's his problem to deal with, not mine. But setting up a grisly fake murder of Santa Claus in public sight is a different case entirely.

Especially when this Moonbat's teenage daughter came up with the idea. That's what makes it even more disturbing.

48 posted on 12/19/2005 6:51:32 AM PST by rzeznikj at stout (Liberalism: The world's singular leading cause of truth decay...)
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To: garylmoore
Oh come on! Half the fun was arguing. Is he real? Is he not real? Just like, are there really bogeymen under the bed?
At least they will still be able to argue which is the best state, greatest cowboy star ever, (ooops that one's passe) best baseball or football or video game, whatever.

I for one feel richer for once having believed in Santa Claus and still believing in Miracles.
49 posted on 12/19/2005 7:00:05 AM PST by rock58seg (It's time for Islam to actually become a religion of peace or a religion of the past.)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross
This is harassment, hate speech, nothing more.

And I thought "conservatives" were against hate-speech legislation.

50 posted on 12/19/2005 7:00:12 AM PST by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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