POLL: Do you agree with President Bush's decision allowing domestic surveillance...?

Capital News ^ | 12/19/2005 | wildbill

[wildbill]

This poll is referred to on the C-Span organization.

Do you agree with President Bush's decision allowing domestic surveillance without court order?

[Arizona Carolyn]

then it's getting better, it's 46% yes now.

[shield]

I learned yrs ago all these polls are skewed, we never win in these polls except maybe FoxNews. So I stopped wasting my time.

[phs3]

why should they have to, if there are already laws saying they don't have too.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

...Do you agree with President Bush's decision allowing domestic surveillance without court order?...

I feel the same about Bush doing it as I did when Clinton did it.

[BikerNYC]

Because of the Fourth Amendment.

[Your Nightmare]

Though you wouldn't know it from FR, believing that the Federal government is constrained by the provisions of the Constitution - and should be - is not a 'liberal' idea.

But it's Bush! We can trust him. He seems like such a nice guy.

[Don't ask me what we do with this precedent if the next guy isn't so nice.]

[stocksthatgoup]

If you listened to the President's press conference you would know that this was only international calls covering known terrorists suspects.

[dljordan]

"What did Thomas Jefforson say about trading freedom for security...."

That doesn't matter anymore because we're at WAR. :)

[Eagles Talon IV]

It's war. Things change during a war. Roosevelt did far more in WW2 and ALL of it was upheld by the USSC.

[presently no screen name]

48% yes
52% no

[WhiteGuy]

If you listened to the President's press conference you would know that this was only international calls covering known terrorists suspects.


Trust but verify?



If it comes from the government, I don't believe it.


After all , our president told us all to trust him, Harriet Meirs was the best candidate in the USA for the SC.

[Eagles Talon IV]

If the specifics of this operation are to make sure the target is directly connected to known terrorism and we are at war with terrorists then what is the problem? It is not as if he has taken it upon himself to spy on anybody he chooses, There are strict guidelines and regular re evaluations of the program by legal authorities as well as regular reports to Congressional leaders.

You people seem to think the Constitution is a suicide document.

[Realism]

If you listened to the President's press conference you would know that this was only international calls covering known terrorists suspects.

Then whats the problem with getting a warrant? Other than they may get turned down for abuse.

[WhiteGuy]

It's war. Things change during a war. Roosevelt did far more in WW2 and ALL of it was upheld by the USSC.


Yes, roosevelt was the one who wanted to pack the court with his cronies too, right?

[Jack of all Trades]

Don't trouble with the facts. The liberals have taken their pratfall off the turnip truck and are demanding outrage.

[HOTTIEBOY]

~~"If you listened to the President's press conference you would know that this was only international calls covering known terrorists suspects."~~

No it wasn't. I'm telling you it's a conspiracy. CONSPIRACY I say. The FBI wants to know how my date went the other night and how much milk and eggs I plan on picking up on the way home. THEY are out to get us. It is a conspiracy.
BEWARE BIG BROTHER. They are watching you. Put tin foil on your head. That helps deter the satellite radar listening device.


Conspiracy theory sarcasm /off

[gcruse]

Voted no.

I haven't seen anything on this thread that can't be done with a court order in place.

[Steel Wolf]

If Usama bin Laden's lieutenants are calling people within the United States, I'd hope that we'd be on it right away, regardless of who is in power.

During the President's speech, he stated that for time sensitive matters they'll use the immediate wire tap, and then go to FISA court for long term monitoring. Here's why that makes sense:

If the Soviet Army had invaded the United States, would you expect the NSA to get a court order to monitor their communications back to Moscow? The transnational Al Qaida cells represent a military incursion onto U.S. soil, and under Article II of the Constitution, the President can direct action against them.

The FBI would still put in FISA court warrants for domestic calls, where innocent U.S. persons may be monitored. Still, Al Qaida lieutentants in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia aren't calling people in the U.S. for fun. While the court order itself could be done in a few hours, getting together all the information needed to make it pass muster could take days or weeks, and then translating the calls could take hours or days.

If the calls are of intelligence value, the FBI will want to tap the calls, and you can bet that the court orders will be in in short order. But the FBI would never know about these guys unless someone else is able to catch their incoming calls from out of country in the first place. All this program seems to do is to bridge a gap that the law didn't adequately cover.

[phs3]

The 4th amendment only applies to US citizens in good standing. Once you conspire with the enemy, that right disappears. You yourself become the enemy.
"persons, houses, papers, and effects" probably doesn't apply to email and cellphone conversations anyway. Besides, none of this info can be used in court, so it is cant be used in prosecutions anyway, only for following these islamojacka$$es to make sure US CITIZENZ aren't murdered.

[Phsstpok]

The poll is based on a lie

Do you agree with President Bush's decision allowing domestic surveillance without court order?

The President did not allow "domestic surveillance without court order." He ruled that international communications that involved calls either to or originated by people in the US from suspected Al Qaeda sources overseas were part of the existing power to conduct surveillance of international communications.

This is not tough. You have to go through some outrageous and convulated gymnastics to construe this the way the old media and traitor dems do.