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Democrats Say They Didn't Back Wiretapping
Yahoo (AP) ^ | 12/20/2005 | KATHERINE SHRADER

Posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:32 AM PST by The_Victor

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To: The_Victor
The 'rats are going to drown trying to challenge the President on this.

My wife said last night that Americans would not be able sleep at night if people like Byrd, Reid, Pelosi, and Kerry were in charge of keeping us safe.

21 posted on 12/20/2005 6:46:40 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: The_Victor

Listening to the members of the MSM/dem party caterwaul last night, their talking point was "the President has not made the legal case for intercepting and eavesdropping on phone calls."

To begin with, I was under the impression, and someone I am sure will correct me if I am wrong, that it is perfectly legal intercept phone calls so long as it is done abroad, ex-US. During the news conference yesterday, the President hinted that this was the case, the he authorized intercepting calls ex-US. It also seems to me that in order for the President to thoroughly defend himself, which I believe he can with the greatest of ease, he would be forced to reveal the minute details of many top secret programs still underway, thus undermining or destroying our nations intelligence gathering capabilities. The President was NOT willing to do this in the name of expediency and relied upon his war powers as CIC to justify his actions. Of course, during times of war other Presidents (named Roosevelt and Lincoln, for example) have made Bush's actions look tame, but hey, suddenly the Constitution has become a suicide note.

Nonetheless, the MSM/dem party still takes the position that the President has not made the legal case. This position presupposes two things 1) that the President has no war powers because Republican Presidents should have no powers at all; and 2) even if the President did have war powers, THIS IS NOT A WAR.

There is one group out there that disagrees with the Invasion of Iraq and thinks it is not an extension of the War on Terror, thinks that Afghanistan should have remained our main area of focus, and thinks that we were united in the War on Terror until the Iraq invasion. There is yet another group that supports the larger War on Terror, but still thinks it is time to get out of Iraq. What do both crowds have in common? They both know there is a War on. Moreover, these groups realize that prior to 9/11 we failed to connect the dots even as the attacks against American interests intensified until America itself was hit.

In the aftermath of 9/11 the democrats (hoping to slime Bush) loaded up the 9/11 commission and used it to scream the loudest that Bush had failed to connect the dots. Could anyone forget Hillary Clinton standing on the floor of the Senate blaring that "Bush knew?" Do we have such amnesia that we are unable to remember back just two weeks ago when the 9/11 members were criticizing Bush for not doing enough? Yet now he is criticized and criminalized for carrying out the very actions the 9/11 commission suggested. . . .as if there is NO WAR.

The Patriot Act killed, the Iraq War effort undermined, Intelligence leaked selectively to undermine political opponents at the expense of national security, etc. etc. These actions mean only one thing, the democrats believe that if they aren't in power, the country must not be worth saving. Better a destroyed America than one without them in power. Surely they must know that these extreme positions will win them nothing with the voters. In effect, the dems have strapped a bomb vest on themselves and become the ultimate suicide weapon for our enemies. Congrats guys, you hit rock bottom.


22 posted on 12/20/2005 6:46:43 AM PST by FlipWilson
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To: The_Victor
What gets me is that things were really turning around before this BS. Katrina, Plame, Miers, etc.

Bush finally got on the offensive and his poll numbers are rising. Now this. Pisses me off.

23 posted on 12/20/2005 6:47:05 AM PST by doesnt suffer fools gladly (Merry Christmas!)
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To: The_Victor

The Commander-in-Chief does not need permission from a minority in Congress to intercept communications with THE ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES!


24 posted on 12/20/2005 6:47:23 AM PST by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: The_Victor
"I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the Senate Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, said in a handwritten letter to Vice President Dick Cheney in July 2003. "As you know, I am neither a technician nor an attorney."

Apparently he was not sufficiently concerned to follow up with any legal inquiry of his own.

25 posted on 12/20/2005 6:47:27 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (It is easy to call for a pi$$ing contest when you aren't going to be in the line of fire.)
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To: The_Victor
"I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the Senate Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, said in a handwritten letter to Vice President Dick Cheney in July 2003. "As you know, I am neither a technician nor an attorney."

"I am, however, a very wealthy trust baby with a low IQ."

26 posted on 12/20/2005 6:47:30 AM PST by Semi Civil Servant (The New York Times: Al-Qaeda's most effective spy network.)
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To: The_Victor
Assuming the WSJ yesterday is correct and the President is on solid ground on this one, the GOP needs to turn out another video with the sound bites of biden, levin, pullousy, boxer, kenedy, et al.
27 posted on 12/20/2005 6:48:17 AM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: The_Victor
Rockerfeller raised no objections after 911 but as election time grew closer, a year and a half later, he started questioning the validaty of the program on legal grounds? Yea OK. This is the reason no one trust the MSM for not emphasizing the fact that he only objected a year and a half later. MSM's philosophy; ignore the details.
28 posted on 12/20/2005 6:48:29 AM PST by Wasanother (Terrorist come in many forms but all are RATS.)
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To: Tarpon
It's a war.Get it?

Therein lies the problem.

The dems and the MSM do not get it. They want the President to follow the Marquis of Queensbury rules. Give the other fellow a sporting chance.

IMHO all lawmakers should be made to watch the footage of 9/11 at least once a month. Perhaps then they might remember what we are up against.

God bless President Bush and all the brave men and women in uniform.

29 posted on 12/20/2005 6:49:21 AM PST by Churchillspirit (Anaheim Angels - 2002 World Series Champions)
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To: sd-joe
Isn't Graham the nut job that kept a detailed daily diary of everything he did, every day.

He put the "anal" in anally retentive.

30 posted on 12/20/2005 6:50:08 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (It is easy to call for a pi$$ing contest when you aren't going to be in the line of fire.)
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To: bkepley

Well, they are stupid enough. They have attacked Bush all year long and got his approval numbers down because he did not fight back. However, he is fighting back now and their paradigm of a new Vietnam is going to be broken.


31 posted on 12/20/2005 6:50:22 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: bkepley

Well, they are stupid enough. They have attacked Bush all year long and got his approval numbers down because he did not fight back. However, he is fighting back now and their paradigm of a new Vietnam is going to be broken.


32 posted on 12/20/2005 6:50:23 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: goldstategop; Mo1
Former Sen. Bob Graham (news, bio, voting record), D-Fla., who was part of the Intelligence Committee's leadership after the 9/11 attacks, recalled a briefing about changes in international electronic surveillance, but does not remember being told of a program snooping on individuals in the United States. "It seemed fairly mechanical," Graham said. "It was not a major shift in policy."

Well, Bob sure is changing HIS story. I guess he looked back in one of his daily diaries.

Former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle said he, too, was briefed by the White House between 2002 and 2004 but was not told key details about the scope of the program. Daschle's successor, Sen. Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), D-Nev., said he received a single briefing earlier this year and that important details were withheld. "We need to investigate this program and the president's legal authority to carry it out," Reid said.

Ah, how would they KNOW that they didn't get briefed on all the details if they weren't given "all the details?" What ARE the details?

33 posted on 12/20/2005 6:50:24 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: The_Victor
As you know, I am neither a technician nor an attorney.

No he is a damned liar, just like Harry Reid. Last Sunday Harry Reid would not answer Tim Russert's question when he asked him 3 different times if he was briefed by the White House. Senator Rockefeller's position in the Senate on the National Security Council would also ensure a complete and in depth briefing. This will blow up in the Democrats face like the mother of all bombs, MOAB. My question is has the leak crossed the line of treason?

34 posted on 12/20/2005 6:50:51 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud off it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: The_Victor
So, let me clarify.

The USA has been attacked without provocation or warning.

More than 2,000 innocent Americans perished.

And the demonRATs now want to say doing everything possible to prevent further attacks was not in the nation's best interest?

demonRATs are scum--no...scum is a step up from a demonRAT.

35 posted on 12/20/2005 6:50:51 AM PST by twntaipan (MERRY CHRISTMAS WAS NOT A PROBLEM UNTIL THE DEMOCRATS MADE IT A PROBLEM)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
If one is functioning in the real world, and not moon-bat LaLa land, it's easy to see that this is total BS because thad they been opposed they would have leaked this 4 years ago. That they didn't do this is proof that they had no problem with it. That's the way Washington works.

Exactly!! They are using this now to detract from the success of the elections in Iraq since the "pullout now" tactic wasn't working. These hate-Bush traitors will do and say ANYTHING to undermine this president and his administration even if it compromises our national security and aids those we are at war with. They are truly despicable and their true colors are showing more than ever. I am disgusted.

36 posted on 12/20/2005 6:51:04 AM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: Howlin; Mo1
recalled a briefing about changes in international electronic surveillance

Could this be what Rockefeller didn't "understand?"

37 posted on 12/20/2005 6:51:05 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: bkepley

They want to cry Impeachment, Impeachment until it sticks.


38 posted on 12/20/2005 6:51:21 AM PST by bmwcyle (Evolution is a myth -- Libertarians just won't evolve into Conservatives.)
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To: philo

Yeah, and how are they going to do that? The nitwits haven't yet realized 1) They don't own the House 2) Impeachment proceedings begin there 3) The President did nothing deserving impeachment or illegal 4) The American people are once again seeing Democrats protecting terrorists over their safety.

Brilliant startegy Dems. This is the ticket to success. You would think in the polls they believe are gospel that are rising since they went down this path that they'd realize national security isn't their turf, and never will be their turf so long as they embrace Osama, Zarqawi, defeatism and disregard for our safety. All they are doing is conducting one long campaign commercial for the People on why they should remain a decreasing minority. Well, not all they are doing. They seem determined to make us unsafe in the process with their leaks. I want the leaker(s) imprisoned.


39 posted on 12/20/2005 6:51:27 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: The_Victor
Some Democrats say they never approved a domestic wiretapping program, undermining suggestions by President Bush and his senior advisers that the plan was fully vetted in a series of congressional briefings.

"I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the Senate Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, said in a handwritten letter to Vice President Dick Cheney in July 2003. "As you know, I am neither a technician nor an attorney."

Bwa-ha-ha!! Good one Democrats. Bush told you all about it but you lacked the competence to understand it. And you want to be put into power? Now THERE'S a position to run on! Do I see another RNC commercial in future? Hope so!

40 posted on 12/20/2005 6:51:39 AM PST by PMCarey
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