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Roberts Rakes Rockefeller
American Spectator ^ | Jed Babbin

Posted on 12/20/2005 10:58:25 AM PST by slowhand520

Roberts Rakes Rockefeller - Tuesday, December 20, 2005 @ 12:53:30 PM

Yesterday, Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), co-chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee (and probable source of many leaks of secret information) released a hand-scrawled letter he had written to VP Cheney two years ago after being briefed on the NSA domestic intel effort. Rockefeller, trying to score political points, raised the letter as proof of his doubts about the NSA program, and that his hands were tied, unable to do anything about it. This morning, Intel Committee Chair Pat Roberts (R-KS) released this statement which blows Rockefeller out of the water:

"I am puzzled by the release yesterday of a July 2003 letter from Senator Rockefeller to the Vice President regarding the recently exposed intelligence collection program, which was authorized by the President shortly after September 11, 2001.

“In his letter and accompanying press statement, Senator Rockefeller asserts that he had lingering concerns about the program designed to protect the American people from another attack, but was prohibited from doing anything about it.

“A United States Senator has significant tools with which to wield power and influence over the executive branch. Feigning helplessness is not one of those tools.

“If Senator Rockefeller truly had the concerns he claimed to have had in his two and a half year old letter, he could have pursued a number of options to have those concerns addressed:

1. First, he could have discussed his concerns with me or other Members of Congress who had been briefed on the program. He never asked me or the Committee to take any action consistent with the “concerns” raised in his letter.

2. Second, he could have raised objections with the Vice President during one of the many briefings we received. I have no recollection of Senator Rockefeller objecting to the program at the many briefings he and I attended together. In fact, it is my recollection that on many occasions Senator Rockefeller expressed to the Vice President his vocal support for the program. His most recent expression of support was only two weeks ago.

3. Finally, he could have pursued any number of legislative remedies. He chose to pursue none.

“Senator Rockefeller could have taken any of these approaches to adress his “lingering concerns.” He did not. He chose instead to write a letter to the Vice President and for two and a half years, keep a copy of the letter in the Intelligence Committee vault and say nothing to anyone.

“For the nearly three years Senator Rockefeller has served as Vice Chairman, I have heard no objection from him about this valuable program. Now, when it appears to be politically advantageous, Senator Rockefeller has chosen to release his two and a half year old letter. Forgive me if I find this to be inconsistent and a bit disingenuous.”

So do we, Sen. Roberts. So do we.

Posted By: Jed Babbin


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: 109th; jayrockefeller; jedbabbin; nsa; patriotleak; patroberts; roberts; rockefeller; senate; spying; tas
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To: slowhand520
Once again, BUSTED!
51 posted on 12/20/2005 11:23:29 AM PST by McGruff
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To: slowhand520

The existence of the letter makes me think that this entire thing was a set-up.

Rockefeller had to know that eventually the existence of the NSA spying program would be revealed. Thus the need for the letter.


52 posted on 12/20/2005 11:23:36 AM PST by G-Bob
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To: Mo1
I don't get why he didn't type it .. does he not have a computer??

Using a computer was probably beyond his level of competence. The guy is really qualified to be a US Senator.

53 posted on 12/20/2005 11:24:27 AM PST by PMCarey
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To: slowhand520; NormsRevenge; Grampa Dave; backhoe; tubebender; Marine_Uncle; Coop; Cap Huff

I love Sen Roberts!


54 posted on 12/20/2005 11:25:08 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: slowhand520

Will this be all over the DNC news tonight??

NOT.


55 posted on 12/20/2005 11:25:22 AM PST by roses of sharon ("I would rather men ask why I have no statue, than why I have one". ) (Cato the Elder)
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To: ZULU

If Rockefeller is the leak, he needs to be plugged just like Joe Pesci and his brother were in the movie "Casino".


56 posted on 12/20/2005 11:25:47 AM PST by DarthVader (Do something positive for America today: Insult an America hating leftie.)
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To: hipaatwo
Smells more like a coordinated plan to me.

I agree

57 posted on 12/20/2005 11:25:57 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: slowhand520
2006 Democrat Campaign Slogan:

"Vote Democrat - We're Helpless and Incompetent and Can Prove it!"
58 posted on 12/20/2005 11:26:41 AM PST by msnimje (Political Correctness -- An OFFENSIVE attempt not to offend.)
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To: All; slowhand520
“A United States Senator has significant tools with which to wield power and influence over the executive branch. Feigning helplessness is not one of those tools.

GREAT STATEMENT!!!

59 posted on 12/20/2005 11:27:00 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: slowhand520
He chose instead to write a letter to the Vice President and for two and a half years, keep a copy of the letter in the Intelligence Committee vault and say nothing to anyone.

Wanna bet that a hundred Demwit congressmen have nasty letters tucked away in vaults on one topic or another? Playing CYA with a just-in-case written objection to everything seems part of the pathetic strategy of their failed party.

60 posted on 12/20/2005 11:27:09 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Dolphy

This isn't even partisanship any longer.

Their actions are the result of letting hate and desire for power overwhelm all logical thought, sanities and conscience.

They are a threat to this country, but to themselves as well.


61 posted on 12/20/2005 11:27:16 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: Soul Seeker

You are so right. They are blinded by the thirst for power and their hate for Bush. It's scary really.


62 posted on 12/20/2005 11:28:54 AM PST by conservativebabe
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To: hipaatwo
If Rockefeller really had concerns about this, they would have been screaming about it last fall. Heck, they tried everything else, up to and including making up fake Texas Air Guard memos for the media to report.

Speaking of that, here's some news on that issue:

I just sent off the book proposal draft for the agent who is going to shop it around. In the chapter dedicated to the fake memos, I gave her a pass on stuff like the typos, fonts, etc., because you guys and others have already proved that. Instead I went against her new defense, repeated ad nauseam, and in bold italics in the above excerpt; that ALL the evidence supports the documents. I was running out of paper in tearing apart her own arguments and exposing glaring errors. One example: Twice in the 6 fakes one finds Bush's service number. Problem here for Mary is that these memos are in 1972 and 73. The Air Force stopped using service numbers on July 1, 1969, and switched over to social security numbers, 3 and 4 years prior. All of Bush's released records had the SSNo blacked out as required by law. But old service numbers from Bush's earlier documents were not redacted...

[The fabricator] grabbed the service numbers from released records, not realizing that they would never show up on a 72-73 document. Irony is, he put the anachronistic service numbers in the wrong format - the FG had to be a prefix, not a suffix, like FG 1234567...For a while we used to put the two letter code FG (means Air Guard; FR means Air Force Reserve, FV means active duty Air Force) as a suffix to the new SSNo ID, as in 987 65 4321FG. Later we dropped the two letter code entirely. [The fabricator's] personal experience was with the 987-65-4321 FV format (actually, the Army Guard used different codes), so when he grabbed the service number from files to add a hint of authenticity to the memos, he probably reverted to habit. Stupid, because if you look at Bush's real records, you will see the letters FG as a prefix - he couldn't even plagiarize correctly!


63 posted on 12/20/2005 11:29:13 AM PST by PogySailor (Semper Fi to the Marines of 3/1.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Between this release from Roberts, Stevens playing hardball with McCain, and seeing my favorite Senator (Sessions) on TV more often today is a good day. Finally some praiseworthy actions from Republican Senators.


64 posted on 12/20/2005 11:29:29 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: hipaatwo

Two years old goes back to the period when a lot of this was being plotted. Rockefeller's note to the Dems on the Intelligence Committee calling on them to use their inside knowledge for political purposes. Wilson's trip to Africa. The whole Plamegate ploy. It stands to reason that he would file a letter like this away for future use--assuming he didn't actually write it yesterday.

There's not much doubt that Rockefeller has been on the inside of a lot of plotting and planning to sabotage our country in order to bring down the administration. The Republicans were absolutely stupid to fire their own aides for trying to bring this skullduggery to the public's attention--without, actually, violating any rules or laws or breaking into any secret files.


65 posted on 12/20/2005 11:30:01 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: slowhand520; PhiKapMom; dighton; Mo1; Howlin; Southack
OUCH!!!

ROTFLMBO!

66 posted on 12/20/2005 11:30:03 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: conservativebabe

Rush said that since November 2nd of this year, when the left started focusing on the Iraq War, Bush's approval ratings have gone up 15 points. Currently at 65%.


67 posted on 12/20/2005 11:30:05 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Luke 2 : 8-14)
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To: slowhand520

I have searched everywhere for another source for this statement released today by Roberts.....do you or perhaps anyone else here....know where I might find?


68 posted on 12/20/2005 11:31:42 AM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: slowhand520

"He can't pass the buck on this one, this is all about him!" Dingy Harry on Chris Wallace show last Sunday.


69 posted on 12/20/2005 11:32:03 AM PST by ichabod1 (Sic Omnia Gloria Fugit)
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To: Dolphy
I am asking myself who Rockefeller really represents...have partisan politics really come to this in our country?

Short Answer......HELL YES>>>>See this:

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A Must Read:

Unholy Alliance :
Radical Islam and the American Left (Hardcover)
by David Horowitz

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Vastly Illuminating, September 25, 2004

Reviewer: Kat Bakhu (Albuquerque, NM United States) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)   
I had long wondered why people on the Left had the propensity to speak more positively about people who would slit their throats than they do about their own country, which affords them more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else. David Horowitz has answered that question thoroughly and convincingly in his Unholy Alliance. Where I felt bewildered and confused, I now feel crystal clear. Unholy Alliance is such a great book.

It begins with the leftist movements at the beginning of the 20th Century, and works its way up to the present day, exploring the anti-American attitude of these movements in detail. Horowitz shows that the enemies of the US back then are largely the same group today, operating under the same misperceptions, making the same mistakes, and pursuing the same impossible utopia.

Individual chapters are included on the Patriot Act (I was persuaded that it is a GOOD thing); the democratic flip-flop on Iraq once G.W. Bush implemented what they agreed with Clinton needed to be done; the driving components of the current anti-war movement; as well as chapters on individual personalities who are major spokespeople of the Left. Horowitz covers a lot of ground, and he covers it concisely and clearly. Unholy Alliance is richly informative without ever being boring or plodding.

This book is so illuminating that I simply cannot do justice to it here. I love people who reason so clearly that they help me get my own reasoning clear. Horowitz is just that type of person! In the terrain of mindless clichés (no-blood-for-oil, etc.), he is a breath of real fresh air.

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70 posted on 12/20/2005 11:32:09 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: DarthVader
plugged just like Joe Pesci and his brother were in the movie "Casino".

Come out into the corn field Senator, we have anti-GOP information for you.

71 posted on 12/20/2005 11:32:48 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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Hi Rush.


72 posted on 12/20/2005 11:33:15 AM PST by PogySailor (Semper Fi to the Marines of 3/1.)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Absolutely. I was watching some woman, a Dem strategist, forget her name, but they are incapable of admitting anything good,ie Iraq elections. They spin and say "the American people are losing support for the war", yada, yada, yada.

In actuality, they have NO IDEA what the American people really think, or if they do, they think if they repeat this garbage enough, people might actually believe it.

Fools.


73 posted on 12/20/2005 11:34:09 AM PST by conservativebabe
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To: slowhand520

Rush is reading this in the air now!


74 posted on 12/20/2005 11:34:18 AM PST by aShepard
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To: Cicero

Yes! Rush got the E-Mail I sent, maybe others as well, about Robert's release here. I sent it over commercial break few minutes ago. I hope this gets wide coverage. Senator Roberts did well here.


75 posted on 12/20/2005 11:34:28 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: TheForceOfOne
"Every time they pull one of these stunts they should be required to scrub the presidents personal bathroom at the White House with their own tooth brushes."

Probably not nearly the punishment it would have been in the past administration!

76 posted on 12/20/2005 11:35:06 AM PST by marlon
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To: Veto!

Now hold on here a second!

Dirty Harry has probably nearly 100 staffers and doesn't have the resources to type a letter to the Vice President of the United States?!!!

Secondly...A hand written "copy" without a date or serialization shows up and is supposed to be taken as authentic?

Somehow, I think Lucy Ramirez is playing around again.


77 posted on 12/20/2005 11:35:16 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: Soul Seeker

Way to go!


79 posted on 12/20/2005 11:35:31 AM PST by conservativebabe
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To: Cicero
It stands to reason that he would file a letter like this away for future use--assuming he didn't actually write it yesterday.

No secretary to tell tales whey you hand scrawl communications.

80 posted on 12/20/2005 11:35:39 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: slowhand520

Finally.

Can't wait to see the prime time interview on National TV..and I won't hold my breath.


81 posted on 12/20/2005 11:37:01 AM PST by SueRae
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To: conservativebabe

Rush has the Drudge Page up on his computer right now.


82 posted on 12/20/2005 11:37:04 AM PST by conservativebabe
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To: conservativebabe

This is one large BITCH SLAP, BITCH SLAP, BITCH SLAP, BITCH SLAP. I could go on, but you get the idea.


83 posted on 12/20/2005 11:37:27 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: slowhand520
Rush is watching.
84 posted on 12/20/2005 11:37:54 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: USS Alaska

LOL! Yes.

poor little Dems, just can't win.


85 posted on 12/20/2005 11:38:21 AM PST by conservativebabe
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To: slowhand520

The rats need to start jumping off the ship. It's sinking!!!


86 posted on 12/20/2005 11:38:32 AM PST by shield (The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instructions.Pr 1:7)
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To: Soul Seeker
That was my concern also....Did he ever REALLY send the letter or is this just his "personal diary".

The only reason I can see him doing this is that SOMEONE has something on him.....

Seeing that it relates to Cheney...it reminds me of the "Cheney sent Wilson to Niger" thing.

So one would suspect that Cheney never got the letter.....because it was never sent.

Since I see no VITAL information in the letter itself.....and if it was so important and/or urgent, one would think it would say CC to everyone who was at that meeting and he wouldn't HOLD the letter for 2 1/2 years.

And he never brought the issue up at a subsequent meeting??????

87 posted on 12/20/2005 11:38:54 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Soul Seeker

asked a few moment ago.....maybe you know?

I have searched everywhere for another source for this statement released today by Roberts.....do you or perhaps anyone else here....know where I might find?


88 posted on 12/20/2005 11:39:05 AM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: Mike Darancette

Nah, I sent an E-Mail linking to the story. I assume others did as well. I don't think he was on this thread. he probably caught the headline of the E-mails during commercial break.


89 posted on 12/20/2005 11:39:18 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: toddlintown
Rockefeller is an ass.

That's putting it mildly. He also is seriously intellectually challenged, in other words, dumb as a box of rocks (or Rockefellers, whatever).

90 posted on 12/20/2005 11:39:20 AM PST by steelcurtain
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To: roses of sharon
Will this be all over the DNC news tonight??

They'll spin this as some secret inside plot by Karl Rove.

91 posted on 12/20/2005 11:40:12 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Luke 2 : 8-14)
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To: PMCarey

It was hand written in order to fake it.

Word processing date stamps the document (but even date stamping can be faked..Jay just didn't know how and it was too likely to leak if he had a sec'y type it up)


92 posted on 12/20/2005 11:40:36 AM PST by plangent
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To: Kimberly GG

No, but you could E-Mail the American Spectator for the sourcing. You might get an answer. They are reliable though so I'd say it's legit.


93 posted on 12/20/2005 11:41:08 AM PST by Soul Seeker (Mr. President: It is now time to turn over the money changers' tables.)
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To: slowhand520
His most recent expression of support was only two weeks ago.

Heh-heh. Caught with his pants down. What a phony.

94 posted on 12/20/2005 11:41:14 AM PST by Rocky (Air America: Robbing the poor to feed the Left)
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To: slowhand520

I'm having a heart attack...a Senate Republican is ACTUALLY putting aside this insane "collegiality" nonsense to FINALLY call these Demo Liars for the vile, lying vermin that they are?? Get me the nitro glycerin and smelling salts...


95 posted on 12/20/2005 11:42:16 AM PST by MikeA
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To: Soul Seeker

Thank you. I assume they were reliable, but can't seem to find this anywhere but on their site.

I'll keep looking and will e-mail them as well.
Thanks.


96 posted on 12/20/2005 11:43:22 AM PST by Kimberly GG
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To: slowhand520
Ooohh

That's gonna leave a mark!

97 posted on 12/20/2005 11:43:54 AM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

This thing stinks to high heaven. In my mind, this looks more and more like a set-up.


98 posted on 12/20/2005 11:44:54 AM PST by conservativebabe
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To: conservativebabe; Mo1; Howlin; Peach
According to today's Washington Post...
John D. Rockefeller IV, a wealthy man representing a poor state, had been the top Democrat on the Senate intelligence committee for six months when he sat down to a secret briefing on July 17, 2003. What he heard alarmed him so much that immediately afterward he wrote two identical letters, by hand, expressing his concerns.

He sent one to Vice President Cheney and placed the other -- as he pointedly warned Cheney he would -- in a safe in case anyone in the future might challenge his version of what happened. Rockefeller proved prophetic. Yesterday the 21-year Senate veteran from West Virginia released his copy of the letter -- which when written, was so sensitive he dared not allow a staffer to read it, let alone type it.


99 posted on 12/20/2005 11:45:15 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Luke 2 : 8-14)
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To: Kimberly GG

I read a thread from West Coast Conservative from the Kansas City Star about the Press Release from Roberts, is this what you are looking for?


100 posted on 12/20/2005 11:45:19 AM PST by newconhere
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