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Pope proclaims 19 new saints
Herald Sun ^ | 21 December 2005

Posted on 12/20/2005 3:01:37 PM PST by Aussie Dasher

POPE Benedict XVI has authorised the proclamation of 19 new saints and blesseds, the first such decree of his papacy which began in late April.

The list named two future saints, a Polish priest from the 15th century and an Italian nun from the 16th century. The number of blesseds included nine Italians, three Germans, three Spaniards, a Dutchman and an Indian. The Indian priest, Agostino Thevarparampil, who died in 1973, was the most recent person to be named a blessed. Thirteen others were also from the 20th century.

The process of recognising the saints and blesseds, either for their heroic actions or martyrdom or intercession in a miracle, was begun by the late John Paul II, who died on April 2.

During his papacy, John Paul II canonised 482 saints and beatified 1338.

Benedict has confirmed all the sainthoods and beatifications begun by the late pope, with one exception. Earlier this year, he cancelled the expected beatification of a Frenchman, Leon Dehon (1843-1925), a Catholic social thinker whose anti-Semitic writings had initially escaped the notice of the review commission.

Benedict has already launched the process of beatification for John Paul II, bypassing the canon law that traditionally requires waiting five years after a candidate's death to open the process.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beatification; benedictxvi; pope; rome; saints; vatican
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He's out of the barrier, racing...
1 posted on 12/20/2005 3:01:37 PM PST by Aussie Dasher
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To: Aussie Dasher

So nine Italians, three Germans, three Spaniards, a Dutchman and an Indian walk into a bar...


2 posted on 12/20/2005 3:02:39 PM PST by thoughtomator (Congrats Iraq!)
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To: Aussie Dasher
"he cancelled the expected beatification of a Frenchman, Leon Dehon (1843-1925), a Catholic social thinker whose anti-Semitic writings had initially escaped the notice of the review commission."

OOPS!!! LOL!

3 posted on 12/20/2005 3:05:17 PM PST by BossLady
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To: thoughtomator

I take it I missed the cut....again?


4 posted on 12/20/2005 3:05:44 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: randog
I take it I missed the cut....again?

Yeah it's the face that you are still living that DQ'd you :)
5 posted on 12/20/2005 3:07:09 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: randog

You must be a couple of miracles short :)


6 posted on 12/20/2005 3:07:21 PM PST by scottinoc
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To: Aussie Dasher

I wonder who was the Devil's Advocate who screwed up in the case of Leon Dehon? Someone is supposed to comb through all the extant evidence, life and writings, looking for any negative evidence after the point of conversion. (E.g., Augustine was a big-time sinner before his conversion, but that doesn't count.)

Antisemitism seems like a big thing to have escaped the investigators. I'm tempted to say, typical French.


7 posted on 12/20/2005 3:13:55 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Aussie Dasher

I'm a saint...at least according to scripture. I didn't need the pope to recognize me as such though. Good thing it doesn't work that way.


8 posted on 12/20/2005 3:14:40 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Cicero

Yeah, if anyone will try to con you, it'll be a Frog!


9 posted on 12/20/2005 3:15:39 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: randog

Nonsense! It just wasn't reported, St.Randog!

Patron Saint of Freepers?


10 posted on 12/20/2005 3:17:22 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Aussie Dasher
Pope proclaims 19 new saints

It is a good start, they need a quarterback, an offensive line, and to replace half the defense.

11 posted on 12/20/2005 3:17:40 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: randog
I take it I missed the cut....again?

I think there's something in the Bible about the 'great and small alike'. Small is beautiful.

Actually, unless your email address is at GreatBeyond.org, it's still possible you can make it to great.

12 posted on 12/20/2005 3:25:58 PM PST by siunevada (If we learn nothing from history, what's the point of having one? - Peggy Hill)
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To: highlander_UW
I'm a saint...at least according to scripture. I didn't need the pope to recognize me as such though. Good thing it doesn't work that way.

Tell me do you have any friends or colleagues who are especially noteworthy for their goodness or - dare we say it - saintliness? Have you ever spoken highly of such a person to others and praise them for their good qualities? Have you recommended such persons as examples for others to emulate? If so, you are really doing not much more than the Church is doing in that it establishes role models for Catholics to follow and to aspire to. Certainly there are those who are saints but who are not cannonized. There is nothing in Church teaching that states that cannonization creates a definitive list of the worthy. So you may indeed be a saint in the eyes of God.

13 posted on 12/20/2005 3:28:05 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Pope proclaims 19 new saints

"It is a good start, they need a quarterback, an offensive line, and to replace half the defense."

Excellent!:)


14 posted on 12/20/2005 3:49:57 PM PST by Mila
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To: Diddle E. Squat

And they need to put a new roof on the stadium.


15 posted on 12/20/2005 3:52:25 PM PST by RichInOC ("The coffee is strong at Cafe du Monde, the doughnuts are too hot to touch..." Save the Big Greasy!)
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To: scottinoc

Contributing to FR after his death counts as one, I'm sure...


16 posted on 12/20/2005 3:56:07 PM PST by dangus
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To: highlander_UW
I [don't] need the pope to recognize me as such though. Good thing it doesn't work that way.

The Pope would agree with you on that much. Not all saints are canonized...

17 posted on 12/20/2005 3:58:00 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: PMCarey
If so, you are really doing not much more than the Church is doing in that it establishes role models for Catholics to follow and to aspire to.

Ah, but being a saint in Catholocism means so much more. Note how saints can be prayed to in Catholocism. Someone who merely appoints noteworthy people as excellent role models is not encouraging that level of admiration. So, the previous poster is "not doing much more", but is rather doing much less--as it should be.

18 posted on 12/20/2005 3:58:44 PM PST by Seņor Zorro ("The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"--Qui-Gon Jinn)
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To: Aussie Dasher
I find myself walking out often ...but, by faith in Jesus, am most definitely one of the Saints that will come marching In.
19 posted on 12/20/2005 4:01:13 PM PST by DainBramage
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To: kstewskis; Petronski; fortunecookie; cyborg

Benedict has already launched the process of beatification for John Paul II, bypassing the canon law that traditionally requires waiting five years after a candidate's death to open the process.




A merry, blessed, light-filled Christmas to all.


20 posted on 12/20/2005 4:05:36 PM PST by onyx (Merry Christmas everybody.)
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To: Seņor Zorro

I daily pray to my parents. Neither are cannonized, but I know they are with God and are, therefore saints.


21 posted on 12/20/2005 4:07:03 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (The Great Ronald Reagan & John Paul II - Heaven's Dream Team!)
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To: highlander_UW
It took 8 replies before the truth came out. Now it'll start a 'Catholic bashing' accusatory thread.

Fear not brother, Let God be true and every man a liar.

22 posted on 12/20/2005 4:32:00 PM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Seņor Zorro
Actually, you're not praying to a saint, you're praying to God through the intercession of that saint. Think of it as having a lobbyist in heaven, who sees God face to face.

The way I explain it to my CCD kids is: If St. Peter were still living on earth, and you asked him to help you fix a flat tire, would he do it? Of course he would! So why wouldn't he help you now that he's heaven?

Asking for the intercession of someone in heaven is just another way of living fellowship with a brother in Christ who's in heaven now instead of on earth.

23 posted on 12/20/2005 4:36:12 PM PST by guinnessman
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To: guinnessman
Luke chapter 16 denies communication/assistance for anyone here from anyone that has died.

We have the scriptures.

24 posted on 12/20/2005 4:38:37 PM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: NYer; Salvation

Thought you might want to weigh in on this.


25 posted on 12/20/2005 4:39:50 PM PST by guinnessman
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To: wtp7
And we are not all God's children.
John 1:11&12
27 posted on 12/20/2005 4:46:34 PM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Aussie Dasher

How does this shore up the offensive line? How about the receivers? Secondary?


28 posted on 12/20/2005 5:02:46 PM PST by brooklin
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To: NYer

ping


29 posted on 12/20/2005 5:04:27 PM PST by paltz
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To: presently no screen name

I like it...;^)


30 posted on 12/20/2005 5:08:06 PM PST by randog (What the....?!)
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To: PMCarey

I'm just a run-of-the-mill sinner, but I think one of the qualities of saints is their humility. Dunno how well saying, "I'm a saint" squares with that!


31 posted on 12/20/2005 5:23:52 PM PST by karnage
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To: randog

32 posted on 12/20/2005 5:31:10 PM PST by LexBaird ("I'm not questioning your patriotism, I'm answering your treason."--JennysCool)
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To: highlander_UW

HL,
Glad to meet another saint! Only Christ can make a
saint... and that covers every single person who
has trusted Christ fully as Savior. The Pope has
nothing to do with it.


33 posted on 12/20/2005 5:39:27 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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To: MikeinIraq; randog
Yeah it's the (fact) that you are still living that DQ'd you :)

Well, maybe that's one of the required miracles?

34 posted on 12/20/2005 5:39:33 PM PST by Phsstpok (There are lies, damned lies, statistics and presentation graphics, in descending order of truth)
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To: guinnessman

your post assumes Peter could actually hear you.
It's a nice thought, but scripture doesn't teach
that.


35 posted on 12/20/2005 5:40:52 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (outside a good dog, a book is your best friend. inside a dog it's too dark to read)
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To: Phsstpok

LOL

good point


36 posted on 12/20/2005 5:42:39 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Glad to meet another saint! Only Christ can make a saint... and that covers every single person who has trusted Christ fully as Savior. The Pope has nothing to do with it.

Amen! And it's a very good thing that has nothing to do with my own inherent goodness, but rather relies completely upon God's grace through faith...and that not of our own either, but it's a gift of God.

37 posted on 12/20/2005 6:19:22 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Aussie Dasher; american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; ...
Pope proclaims 19 new saints

The title is misleading. As the story content notes:

"POPE Benedict XVI has authorised the proclamation of 19 new saints and blesseds, the first such decree of his papacy which began in late April. "

A "blessed" is not yet a saint.

Perhaps the most exciting name on this list is

Indian Father Augustine Thevarparampil, a Syro-Malabar priest who lived 1891-1973.

If I am not mistaken, Fr. Thevarparampil would be the first Syro Malabar saint proclaimed (still need to research this a bit more). The Syro Malabar Church is one of the Eastern Catholic Churches.

Many people are not aware that the Catholic Church is both Western and Eastern. As most of us realize, the Church began in the East. Our Lord lived and died and resurrected in the Holy Land. The Church spread from Jerusalem throughout the known world. As the Church spread, it encountered different cultures and adapted, retaining from each culture what was consistent with the Gospel. In the city of Alexandria, the Church became very Egyptian; in Antioch it remained very Jewish; in Rome it took on an Italian appearance and in Constantinople it took on the trappings of the Roman imperial court. All the churches which developed this way were Eastern, except Rome. Most Catholics in the United States have their roots in Western Europe where the Roman rite predominated. It has been said that the Eastern Catholic Churches are "the best kept secret in the Catholic Church."

Think of it as one faith; different flavors.

The Syro-Malabar Church was known as the Church of the St.Thomas Christians until the 18th century because it was founded by St Thomas, one of the apostles of Jesus Christ. St.Thomas came to India in 52 A.D. He died as a Martyr in a place called Mylapore near the present town of Chennai (Madras).His tomb is still venerated there. To learn more about the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church, click the following link:

SYRO-MALABAR CATHOLIC CHURCH

A Roman Catholic may attend the Divine Liturgy at any Eastern Catholic Church. You can learn more about the 22 different Churches at this link:

CATHOLIC RITES AND CHURCHES

I am a Roman Catholic practicing my faith at a Maronite Catholic Church. To locate an Eastern Catholic Church in your community, Check the following link and look into attending an Eastern Catholic Liturgy (not to be confused with the Orthodox Church).

Eastern Catholic Churches in the U.S.

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38 posted on 12/20/2005 6:46:36 PM PST by NYer ("Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion")
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To: BossLady

:)Never miss the cut.


39 posted on 12/20/2005 6:50:55 PM PST by fatima
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To: BossLady

Thank you for the ping BossLady.


40 posted on 12/20/2005 6:58:47 PM PST by fatima
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To: Cicero

In English.I am willing to listen friend.


41 posted on 12/20/2005 7:02:00 PM PST by fatima
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To: Aussie Dasher
Two saints. Seventeen beatified...
42 posted on 12/20/2005 7:03:09 PM PST by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: Seņor Zorro
Ah, but being a saint in Catholocism means so much more.

Oh I totally agree with that. I was trying to put into Earthly terms the rationale behind the canonization process. Kind of like when you ask someone to pray for you, it's akin to accessing for intercession from Saints.

43 posted on 12/20/2005 7:04:11 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: Aussie Dasher

I'm glad Juniperro Serra did not make it. That would have been his last miracle! One too many IMO!


44 posted on 12/20/2005 7:06:28 PM PST by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: NYer

That's good, but I'm waiting for an American Saint.


45 posted on 12/20/2005 7:42:07 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Cicero

The Promoter of the Faith (Latin Promotor Fidei), or Devil's Advocate (Latin advocatus diaboli) was established in 1587 and was in effect until it was abolished by Pope John Paul II in 1983.


46 posted on 12/20/2005 8:52:27 PM PST by WJHII
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To: Cicero

Unfortunately, in the early 1980's the Devil's Advocate was dropped from the process of sainthood. Personally, I can't comprehend why they would drop it. I guess it accounts in part for the huge increase in saints and blesseds under JPII. :-(


47 posted on 12/20/2005 8:55:15 PM PST by ELS (Vivat Benedictus XVI!)
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To: ELS

Yes, true. I was using the old term metaphorically, but perhaps it might have confused people who hadn't heard that. They still need to comb through the files, I would think, to eliminate candidates with negative indications.


48 posted on 12/20/2005 9:00:01 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: highlander_UW
I'm a saint...at least according to scripture. I didn't need the pope to recognize me as such though. Good thing it doesn't work that way.

Was anyone even asking? Seriously, I think it's a testament to the Church's power through Christ that some Protestants feel compelled to come on these threads to preach against her.
49 posted on 12/20/2005 9:52:43 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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To: knarf
We have the scriptures.

Well, at least 66 books of it. And unfortunately that's all you have. And that is a shame.
50 posted on 12/20/2005 9:54:46 PM PST by Conservative til I die
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