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Pastor's (Joel Osteen's)wife involved in flight disturbance
ABC 13 ^ | 12-20-05 | Jessica Willey

Posted on 12/20/2005 4:08:06 PM PST by truthandlife

A dispute that involved the wife of Houston's most famous pastor, Joel Osteen, and a Continental Airlines flight attendant ended up delaying a flight for hours Monday. And now, Victoria Osteen's actions on that flight are in the spotlight. Also on ABC13.com: Send us a news tip | RSS feeds | ABC13 E-lert | Info mentioned on air Statements from Lakewood and Continental Following the incident on Continental flight 1602 Monday, both Lakewood Church and Continental Airlines released these statements. The Osteens run the largest church in the nation, so passengers on a Continental flight were shocked Monday when Mrs. Osteen was removed from that flight after a disturbance.

Taking time off from the high profile hustle and bustle of running a mega-church, Lakewood Church Pastor Joel Osteen and his family boarded Continental flight 1602 Monday morning at Houston's big airport. They were bound for the slopes in Colorado.

Their trip was delayed and so was the entire flight by almost two hours. Fellow passengers blame the popular Osteens, specifically Joel's wife, Victoria.

According to passenger accounts, the Osteens were sitting in first class. Soon after the plane's door was closed, the FBI says Victoria Osteen was removed following what Continental would call only a disturbance. The Osteens' spokesman confirms it involved a flight attendant, but that's all. However, one passenger tells Eyewitness News she was alerted to the front of the plane when she heard a commotion.

"She violently ran towards the cockpit, scaring everyone around her," said passenger Knicky Van Slyke. "Everyone was terrified about what was going on. And a bunch of flight attendants ran up and had to restrain her. She was banging on the door."

"Of the cockpit?" we asked.

"Yes."

Passengers say Victoria was removed first. Joel and the children followed. Meantime, everyone waited.

"They unloaded all the luggage to get their luggage and deplaned her, Joel, and the kids," said passenger Dawn Dixon.

Passenger Chad Clay said, "They kept telling us they were waiting on some passengers to find their luggage underneath in the plane, and it was going to be delayed for looking for that luggage."

According to the Transportation Security Administration, federal air marshals were never involved. Local authorities also know nothing of this event. Continental would not discuss details.

The Osteens' spokesman denies a physical altercation, denies Victoria ever banged on the cockpit door, and says she left on her own.

"The account of the event which has come to our attention is inaccurate and overblown. The misunderstanding was minor and was resolved when Victoria voluntarily removed herself from the situation," read the statement.

The FBI says it was not voluntary. Though agents are not investigating, they will review the incident as the Osteens enjoy their Colorado vacation.

The Osteens' spokesman says they took another flight to Colorado Monday.

Nobody has been charged. As for the FBI's involvement, we're told it's standard procedure for them to review all passenger removal incidents. According to Continental, this one is a closed case.

Pastor Joel Osteen preaches to an average of 40,000 people a week at Lakewood Church services. Lakewood opened in the former home of the Rockets, Compaq Center, back in July. It took $90 million and a year and a half of renovations. Osteen's ministry is taped and aired around the world.


TOPICS: US: Texas
KEYWORDS: continental; heretichullabalooh; hitpiece; lakewoodchurch; nameitandclaimit; osteen; pelosi; primadona; prosperitypreachers; tsa
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To: kcvl
"$1 ¼ million dollar home. "

So what? Whats wrong with it? The most devout Christian woman I know lives in a $15 million dollar home. She's a great person. They give gobs of money to charity. They have adopted four kids and they are happy as larks. I say more power to them. There's nothing sinful about having money and enjoying your station in life.

301 posted on 12/20/2005 6:09:25 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles (Liberals are unfit for citizenship in a country that values freedom and courage.)
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To: griffin; railsplitter
posting something from the likes of adrian rogers really underscores the bottom line to this thread...

"Please know that the strength of this ministry was and is not Adrian Rogers."

adrian taught the bible well... now he will enjoy this Christmas with the Lord.

302 posted on 12/20/2005 6:09:59 PM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: Al Simmons

If you overlook the fact that she and her former husband Jim Bakker (sp) ran a scam ministry, maybe she is a nice person. If she has cancer she is getting closer to the one who will judge.

My father told me that there were two things I should never argue about. Religion and politics. What am I doing here?


303 posted on 12/20/2005 6:10:05 PM PST by billhilly (Demo camo is yellow and white)
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To: MikeinIraq
"That's the thing. But instead others would rather trash the guy because he can go to Vail or he does have a large congregation. I mean there are probably 20 posts about HOW LARGE his congregation is.....this thread is just SILLY."

I know you're not talking about me, because I never raised any of those points...

this is the most fun I've had on a FR thread in some time...

few things in life are as much fun as popping the balloon of a pompous hypocrite...

Osteen and his Mrs. are like those upper-crust stuffed shirts who were so famously lampooned by the Three Stooges in so many of their skits...

304 posted on 12/20/2005 6:10:33 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: Dane
Neither did Joel Osteen the last time I read the story.

Maybe it changed?

It's funny how you judge him because of where he vacations. I find that HILARIOUS...
305 posted on 12/20/2005 6:10:47 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: SittinYonder

Ridiculous and uncalled-for comment. Shame on you.


306 posted on 12/20/2005 6:10:53 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: MayflowerMadam
"We got to drive to the Adirondacks and pitch a leaky tent on Campsite #10."

Are you bragging or complaining?

307 posted on 12/20/2005 6:11:23 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles (Liberals are unfit for citizenship in a country that values freedom and courage.)
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To: Al Simmons

I hadn't been, but that last sentence put you in there...

YOu admitted yourself you DON'T know him. So why don't you TRY to not JUDGE him either? Is that beyond you?


HMMMMMM?


308 posted on 12/20/2005 6:11:54 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: miele man
If someone posts something that makes a statement without further comment, the only reasonable conclusion is that he is making that statement for himself.

Hence my comment was appropriately directed.

309 posted on 12/20/2005 6:12:06 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: eyespysomething
Don't you have an immigration thread to go troll on or something?

Does every thread have to be about illegal immigration?

310 posted on 12/20/2005 6:14:30 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: MikeinIraq
It's funny how you judge him because of where he vacations. I find that HILARIOUS..

Well what else am I supposed to do, just stay blind to the truth that Vail and Aspen are the winter playgrounds of the hollywood jet set and find it odd that a preacher would go there, especially during the Christmas season.

311 posted on 12/20/2005 6:14:52 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: SittinYonder

Yeah,I hear ya!Some of the Athens party people really overdid it and the Dacula trp probably saved a lot of lives.
I'm talking 1971-1972 era Georgia.Man,this Cali boy could not BELIEVE the ubiquitousness of the part spirit at UGA back then.


312 posted on 12/20/2005 6:15:40 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
The most devout Christian woman I know lives in a $15 million dollar home.

I bet she didn't beg for it from other people either claiming to help the church.

313 posted on 12/20/2005 6:15:46 PM PST by kcvl
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To: HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath

Maybe a drink spilled on her seat and the attendant asked Victoria to sit down - we are ready to take off - and she didn't want to.

Great post, btw!


314 posted on 12/20/2005 6:16:08 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: truthandlife
It's a shame that Joel and Victoria's vacation got off to such a poor start. Even though it's going to bust the family holiday budget, I'm sending off another $500 donation to Paster Joel. Maybe he can take Victoria to a nice five-star restaurant with that money and this should take their minds off being hassled by Continental Airlines.

I told my wife that this might mean no Christmas presents for the kids this year and certainly no Christmas turkey dinner. But we have some Oncor Salibury Steaks (see accompanying photo) that have been in the back of the freezer for quite some time and this should avail us of the opportunity to finally make good use of it. As Pastor Joel would attest, maybe this is God's way of teaching us not to be wasteful and to appreciate what we do have.

Also, this will give us a good opportunity to teach the kids that Christmas is all about giving and the fact that we are helping to make Joel and Victoria's ski vacation in Vail, Colorado a little more tolerable should put rosy glow on all our cheeks Christmas morning as we sit down to the holiday feast of our Oncor Salisbury Steaks and some instant mashed potato with "all the trimmings."

I hope that my fellow Freepers will also be extra generous to Pastor Joel and his lovely wife Victoria this year. They deserve it. Especially after what they just went through.

315 posted on 12/20/2005 6:16:18 PM PST by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: Dane

Interesting. Thanks for the ping.


316 posted on 12/20/2005 6:16:26 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Merry Christmas!")
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To: MamaDearest

correction: Sorry capitalization missing - should be "Christ's teachings."


317 posted on 12/20/2005 6:17:01 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: csmusaret
He preaches to FORTY THOUSAND per week?

Catholics in Harris County: 600,000

Baptists in Harris County: 450,000

Methodists in Harris County: 200,000

Osteen: 40,000

Maybe they are going by actual church attendance (butts in pews) to arrive at the definition of "mega."

318 posted on 12/20/2005 6:17:25 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: demsux

"...doing God's work for cash."

I heard Joel's mother's response to a suggestion his preaching was simply feel-good pablum without much substance. Her reaction: "It's what sells!"

Who buys this junk?


319 posted on 12/20/2005 6:17:34 PM PST by WestSylvanian
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To: Dane
who said anything about staying blind to it?

But what kind of hypocrite (and yes I said that word for you) judges based on a vacation destination?

I mean if he goes to Reno for some gambling, that's one thing. But since when is SKIING a sin?


And you have a fixation on the Hollywood jet set (whatever that means) and you need to get over it. Not everyone to who goes to Vail is enamored with those people.....
320 posted on 12/20/2005 6:17:59 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: MikeinIraq
Look Mike, I've been there, the only recreation during a year-long deployment to nowhere being a little web surfing and emailing, but get some rest now.

You've got a lot more important things to do (I am sure) than this.

I stand by my opinion that Osteen looks and sounds to me like a huckster.

Don't like it? Well, you're entitled to your own opinion. And so am I.

P.S. That guilt trip thing don't work with me. Its just a crutch used to beat people into line with.

What was that Jesse Ventura said a few years back?

"Organized religion is a crutch for the weak?"

Yup, it sure offended me back then. But it doesn't any more. Turns out Jesse was right.

321 posted on 12/20/2005 6:18:10 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: Petronski

I think Joel is the real deal but his wife is a phoney. Just my opinion.


322 posted on 12/20/2005 6:18:24 PM PST by cyborg (Polar Bear Club of One)
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To: SamAdams76

*lololol*




For taste and more it's On-Cor!


323 posted on 12/20/2005 6:18:28 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: LaineyDee
Jesus wore a seamless garment. These were very expensive.

Source? In fact, the garment you describe was called a talit, and all but the poorest pious men had them.

Jesus also had a treasurer. Judas. If He didn't have money...He wouldn't have needed one.

Who had a treasurer? Jesus, or His mobile group of disciples numbering from a dozen to sometimes hundreds? The fact is that this precisely what teachers and their students did in First Century Galilee. It was quite common, and very view of those teachers could be called "wealthy". Most of them were day laborers, and spent their free time teaching and studying. In First Century parlance, a Torah-teacher that was a common laborer was well regarded.

Some of the disciples may have been well off, but we are given the contrary picture of the Master Himself. His adopted father Joseph was certainly not a wealthy man. In Luke 2, we see them paying for Mary's purification sacrifice by a bird sacrifice - which was permitted but only for the poor.

He had wealthy friends, but of Himself He said,

When Yeshua [Jesus] saw the crowd around him, he gave orders to cross to the other side of the lake. A Torah-teacher approached and said to him, 'Rabbi, I will follow you wherever you go.' Yeshua said to him, 'The foxes have holes, and the birds flying about have nests, but the Son of Man has no home of his own.' Matthew 18:18-20 CJB

The "Jesus was rich" apology has been offered by many in "health and wealth" ministries over the years - all for the express purpose of excusing their excesses. Biblically, historically, and archeologically, it is a myth. He was poor of His own volition, and He humbled Himself by His own will.

If people are wealthy, fine and good - but don't claim "Jesus was too, so it is OK." Being wealthy is OK - but not because "Jesus was."
324 posted on 12/20/2005 6:19:18 PM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: Jedidah
Ridiculous and uncalled-for comment. Shame on you.

Wait until you get further into the thread! ;-)

325 posted on 12/20/2005 6:19:27 PM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: SamAdams76

Joel Osteen has declined to take a salary (last reported at $200,000) from Lakewood, due to the success of his best selling book, "Your Best Life Now". (Rick Warren also does not take a salary from his church due to successful book sales.)


326 posted on 12/20/2005 6:19:46 PM PST by truthandlife ("Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the LORD our God." (Ps 20:7))
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To: cyborg

In all of this, my big problem is the reported behavior running down the aisle and all that.

And try as I might, Joel reminds me of that old country tune "would Jesus wear a Rolex on his television show?"


327 posted on 12/20/2005 6:20:17 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: SamAdams76

*LOL*


328 posted on 12/20/2005 6:20:23 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: handy
Is this a correct? Did they really spend 90 large on a building?

Hell no, it was $200 million! Here it is.


329 posted on 12/20/2005 6:20:23 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido; handy

Oh, wait, that was Our Lady of Angels in LA. I'm SOOO embarassed!


330 posted on 12/20/2005 6:21:04 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Halls

Sounds to me like she is a b*tch!

EXACTLY!!! And if Joel wasn't such a wimp he'd have told her to sit down and shut her mouth. It's always been apparent who wears the pants in that family.


331 posted on 12/20/2005 6:22:01 PM PST by no dems (43 muscles to smile, 17 to frown, two to pull a trigger; I'm lazy and tired of smiling.)
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To: Al Simmons
Don-O posted a link and I posted an excerpt from the link.

There can't be an intelligent discussion without a free flow of information.

And speaking of intelligent discussion, you certainly have a potty mouth. That is not the mark of an intelligent discussion.
332 posted on 12/20/2005 6:22:12 PM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: WestSylvanian
Who buys this junk?

Way to many people.

333 posted on 12/20/2005 6:22:24 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Petronski

The reason why I call his wife a phoney is because of the Larry King interview. She actually said she NEVER gets sexually tempted and would never EVER entertain a sexual fantasy about another man. Who is to say she'll never get challenged by someone else?


334 posted on 12/20/2005 6:23:12 PM PST by cyborg (Polar Bear Club of One)
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To: Al Simmons
God hates "religion". He wants a relationship, it's all about a personal relationship with Christ. But we must ask God for that relationship, in Christ's name.

Some people are gifted to teach the Bible the way it was meant to be taught - literally, and word by word. Others as you say it, are hucksters...

Best,

335 posted on 12/20/2005 6:23:14 PM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: cyborg
"I think Joel is the real deal but his wife is a phoney. Just my opinion."

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

That's the equivalent of saying 'Turns out Hitler was the real deal but Himmler was a phony'

Are you guys who are making excuses for the Osteens' thinking tonight????

336 posted on 12/20/2005 6:23:23 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: Petronski; cyborg

Check out my 318, 329 and 330. I have no real use for Osteen, but I'm am feeling a tad mischevious. :-)


337 posted on 12/20/2005 6:23:44 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Shermy

Victoria, think postively.



She needs to stay awake during church.


338 posted on 12/20/2005 6:23:45 PM PST by WKB (If you can't dazzle them with brilliance.. then Baffle them with BS)
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To: Larry Lucido

They ought to get their money back...


339 posted on 12/20/2005 6:24:00 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: Larry Lucido

A tad?


340 posted on 12/20/2005 6:25:08 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: safisoft

Amen. Nothing need be added.


341 posted on 12/20/2005 6:25:19 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: truthandlife

342 posted on 12/20/2005 6:25:21 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: Al Simmons

I like to watch Joel Osteen the same way I like to watch any other interesting inspirational program on television. I think he's very sincere in his desire to help people. I'm not making excuses but just giving my opinion.


343 posted on 12/20/2005 6:25:25 PM PST by cyborg (Polar Bear Club of One)
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To: Al Simmons
They ought to get their money back...

I was wrong. The pic I posted was of a Catholic cathedral costing twice as much as Osteen's "mega" church.

But you are still right - it is an embarassing monstrosity. ;-)

344 posted on 12/20/2005 6:25:41 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Petronski

Okay, I'm going to my room. :-)


345 posted on 12/20/2005 6:26:11 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: swheats

I'm talking about the article that was posted claiming he preached to 40,000 people each sunday. My comments are intended to be a comment on the authors, not a comment on the young DR. Phil with a Bible.


346 posted on 12/20/2005 6:26:18 PM PST by csmusaret (Urban Sprawl is an oxymoron)
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To: Larry Lucido
I'm SOOO embarassed!

So are the parishioners of that monstrosity.

347 posted on 12/20/2005 6:26:42 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: BenLurkin
You think that this thread is supposed to be an intelligent discussion?

Wait, I've got this bridge to sell you in Brooklyn...

348 posted on 12/20/2005 6:28:01 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: arasina
Charles Stanley is just plain wonderful. He's very humble and preaches the TRUTH.

Only if you think "Ye will not surely die." is the truth.

349 posted on 12/20/2005 6:28:09 PM PST by Lester Moore (The headwaters of the islamic river of death and hate are in Saudi Arabia.)
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To: kcvl

You realise, of course, that you are quoting a man who believes that the Holy Catholic Church is the "Whore of Babylon" and that the Papacy is the "Anti-Christ."


350 posted on 12/20/2005 6:28:56 PM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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