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Pastor's (Joel Osteen's)wife involved in flight disturbance
ABC 13 ^ | 12-20-05 | Jessica Willey

Posted on 12/20/2005 4:08:06 PM PST by truthandlife

A dispute that involved the wife of Houston's most famous pastor, Joel Osteen, and a Continental Airlines flight attendant ended up delaying a flight for hours Monday. And now, Victoria Osteen's actions on that flight are in the spotlight. Also on ABC13.com: Send us a news tip | RSS feeds | ABC13 E-lert | Info mentioned on air Statements from Lakewood and Continental Following the incident on Continental flight 1602 Monday, both Lakewood Church and Continental Airlines released these statements. The Osteens run the largest church in the nation, so passengers on a Continental flight were shocked Monday when Mrs. Osteen was removed from that flight after a disturbance.

Taking time off from the high profile hustle and bustle of running a mega-church, Lakewood Church Pastor Joel Osteen and his family boarded Continental flight 1602 Monday morning at Houston's big airport. They were bound for the slopes in Colorado.

Their trip was delayed and so was the entire flight by almost two hours. Fellow passengers blame the popular Osteens, specifically Joel's wife, Victoria.

According to passenger accounts, the Osteens were sitting in first class. Soon after the plane's door was closed, the FBI says Victoria Osteen was removed following what Continental would call only a disturbance. The Osteens' spokesman confirms it involved a flight attendant, but that's all. However, one passenger tells Eyewitness News she was alerted to the front of the plane when she heard a commotion.

"She violently ran towards the cockpit, scaring everyone around her," said passenger Knicky Van Slyke. "Everyone was terrified about what was going on. And a bunch of flight attendants ran up and had to restrain her. She was banging on the door."

"Of the cockpit?" we asked.

"Yes."

Passengers say Victoria was removed first. Joel and the children followed. Meantime, everyone waited.

"They unloaded all the luggage to get their luggage and deplaned her, Joel, and the kids," said passenger Dawn Dixon.

Passenger Chad Clay said, "They kept telling us they were waiting on some passengers to find their luggage underneath in the plane, and it was going to be delayed for looking for that luggage."

According to the Transportation Security Administration, federal air marshals were never involved. Local authorities also know nothing of this event. Continental would not discuss details.

The Osteens' spokesman denies a physical altercation, denies Victoria ever banged on the cockpit door, and says she left on her own.

"The account of the event which has come to our attention is inaccurate and overblown. The misunderstanding was minor and was resolved when Victoria voluntarily removed herself from the situation," read the statement.

The FBI says it was not voluntary. Though agents are not investigating, they will review the incident as the Osteens enjoy their Colorado vacation.

The Osteens' spokesman says they took another flight to Colorado Monday.

Nobody has been charged. As for the FBI's involvement, we're told it's standard procedure for them to review all passenger removal incidents. According to Continental, this one is a closed case.

Pastor Joel Osteen preaches to an average of 40,000 people a week at Lakewood Church services. Lakewood opened in the former home of the Rockets, Compaq Center, back in July. It took $90 million and a year and a half of renovations. Osteen's ministry is taped and aired around the world.


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To: Petronski

Yep, so I hear. I really feel sorry for them, given that there were so many possibilities for something of real beauty.


351 posted on 12/20/2005 6:29:02 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles

Osteen preaches the new modernized gospel that is increasing the number of tares and goats in the visible church. "It's the goodness of God that leads people to repentance," Osteen asserts carefully avoiding the dreaded word 'sin.'


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In keeping with the erroneous idea of using some positive thinking to get what you want in life, Osteen preaches the Kenneth Hagin/Charles Capps idea that we can get what we want from God by our faith-filled words. This entire sermon was on how as a child of God we should be receiving "preferential treatment" by everyone. He testified about how he had been pulled over a couple of times for speeding but when the officer saw his last name was Osteen, no ticket was issued. He said the same can happen for every Christian who wakes up declaring they have God’s favor. By following this method Osteen says he has been able to get the best parking spot in a crowded parking lot, a first class seat on a crowded airplane with no boarding pass, and priority seating at restaurants.



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352 posted on 12/20/2005 6:29:26 PM PST by kcvl
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To: csmusaret

Well.. their website says they have 4 services.

I heard a country preacher one time in a small church of 30 say, concerning big crowds, that he had preached to thousands...

20 or 30 at a time.


353 posted on 12/20/2005 6:29:47 PM PST by Praxeus
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To: Al Simmons

There is truth in what you say but it does not change the fact that you were horribly wrong and still are. If you are going to swear in capitol letters it would behoove you to at least go to Osteen's web site to see for yourself what the man supposedly believes. That is part of what this thread is about.


354 posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:02 PM PST by miele man
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

My own experience, BHOTR, is that the amount of an individuals' public bloviating about one's 'personal relationship to God' and 'WWJD' is in direct proportion to the level of hypocrisy in their own private lives....call me jaded, but hey, we all have to grow up some time...


355 posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:31 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: SamAdams76

ROFL!


356 posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:34 PM PST by NittanyLion
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To: mollynme

Who would that be?


357 posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:49 PM PST by kcvl
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To: cyborg

I don't find much problem with Osteen, as far as he goes. But he doesn't go far enough.

As I think I told you in person, he reminds me of a "churched-up" Tony Robbins.

I don't mind watching the show, he seems to have a positive message that's biblically based. But he's too glittery for me, and he only seems to do positive motivational stuff. I've never heard him speak about what God says we should NOT do, or where we have gone wrong (except as a brief aside on the way to telling us how good things are).


358 posted on 12/20/2005 6:31:19 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: kcvl
"I bet she didn't beg for it from other people either claiming to help the church."

If the members of Joel O's congregation don't care if he's rich why should I care? Why should you care? He's written books and preached sermons that people want to read and hear. They pay for his knowledge and positive message. He earns the money. His wife had a hissy fit about something. So what?

His message and style are not my kind of religion but millions of people gravitate to it. It's what they like, it's what they need. Let em have it. It's a free country.

359 posted on 12/20/2005 6:31:42 PM PST by Hound of the Baskervilles (Liberals are unfit for citizenship in a country that values freedom and courage.)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
His wife had a hissy fit about something. So what?

And if you were held up for two hours on that plane???!!!

360 posted on 12/20/2005 6:33:49 PM PST by paulat
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To: LaineyDee

I didn't see it, either. Then again, I don't watch TV very much.

I do know that the evangelicals in this neck of the woods are divided over whether or not this guy is a good thing or not.


361 posted on 12/20/2005 6:34:05 PM PST by AZ_Cowboy ("Merry Christmas!")
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To: kcvl
"This entire sermon was on how as a child of God we should be receiving "preferential treatment" by everyone. He testified about how he had been pulled over a couple of times for speeding but when the officer saw his last name was Osteen, no ticket was issued. He said the same can happen for every Christian who wakes up declaring they have God’s favor. By following this method Osteen says he has been able to get the best parking spot in a crowded parking lot, a first class seat on a crowded airplane with no boarding pass, and priority seating at restaurants."

Oh I am laughing so hard I'm gonna HURL....BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHAAAAA!!

362 posted on 12/20/2005 6:34:28 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: Al Simmons
We all sin, I just try to keep a short tab with the Lord...

Aren't we all little hypocritical? remember, there is no socialist utopia.

363 posted on 12/20/2005 6:35:15 PM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: kcvl
Rand Winburn
364 posted on 12/20/2005 6:35:24 PM PST by mollynme (cogito, ergo freepum)
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To: Liberty Valance

http://strange.timetrip.net/mirror/tiltonfart.rm


365 posted on 12/20/2005 6:35:48 PM PST by Boazo (From the mind of BOAZO)
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To: Hound of the Baskervilles
Why should you care?

I don't care. I was posting information about him and his wife. I just remember people giving to Jim Baker thinking he was a "good guy" too. People can spend their money on anything they please. I am free to comment on it.

366 posted on 12/20/2005 6:36:14 PM PST by kcvl
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To: csmusaret
It was a sports arena, but I doubt if 40,000 worshipers show up on Sunday.

They have more than one service on Sunday.

367 posted on 12/20/2005 6:37:31 PM PST by CajunConservative (Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Jindal.)
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic

I hate to tell you this, Battle, but teaching "word by word" and "literally" would be a huge mistake... let's just say that any translation is a compromise which necessarily changes the meaning of the original. You can't be literal with translated works, you have to take them in context. Additionally, if you don't understand historical context, you won't understand that certain words or customs had vastly different meanings than we would ascribe to them today. Hermeneutics...


368 posted on 12/20/2005 6:38:41 PM PST by austinTparty
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To: miele man
First of all, using acronyms that may or may not mean what you think they mean is not swearing, but adding emphasis to a (rather) exasperated reply to something that strikes you as offensively stupid.

As far as what he "supposedly believes", trust me, I could recite these "Statements of Faith" verbatim if I just thought back for a moment...

This thread is about mercilessly lampooning a hypocrite...

not very Christian of me you say?

Well, being a historian I have always favored the ancient Roman outlook on life...in ancient Rome, if something bad happened to a person, it was thought to have been his fault, and would often elicit laughter (a quite bizarre way of seeing things from our point of view, but it kind of explains why thousands could cheer and cackle at the sight of 10,000 criminals being executed in the Arena - just during the Noon-time intermission!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

369 posted on 12/20/2005 6:38:56 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: Battle Hymn of the Republic
"We all sin, I just try to keep a short tab with the Lord..."

You are quite right here, BHOTR, but not all of us go through our entire lives PRETENDING that we do not sin....like so many of the "I-wear-Jesus-on-my-lapel" types do....

370 posted on 12/20/2005 6:41:43 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: truthandlife

Regardless of the why's her "nouveau riche" ass was tossed off the plane, they didn't need to hold up the flight, and ruin the flight for all the other passengers just to get their luggage!


371 posted on 12/20/2005 6:43:37 PM PST by SAMS (Nobody loves a soldier until the enemy is at the gate; Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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To: austinTparty
EGAD!!! Are you saying that EVERY SINGLE WORD of the Bible is not literally true in the King James Version???????

Now get thee to a Bible-believing church!!!!!!!!

372 posted on 12/20/2005 6:43:37 PM PST by Al Simmons
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To: MamaB

I do not consider that something to get all uptight about if that is what happened.



I haven't read or heard anything other than this thread, but it is possible the seat may have been still wet and asked to sit down because we will be taking off.


373 posted on 12/20/2005 6:45:27 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: jegoing
Osteem has a knack for being a good orator.

So does Benny Hinn.

374 posted on 12/20/2005 6:48:53 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: Frank_2001

LOL


375 posted on 12/20/2005 6:49:45 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: austinTparty

We know the bible was written in hebrew, greek and arameic. Also, we know almost all of the historical context.


376 posted on 12/20/2005 6:49:49 PM PST by Battle Hymn of the Republic
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To: truthandlife
People, people, everyone is missing the point of this story! Joel Olsteen is actually married to a female!!!
377 posted on 12/20/2005 6:52:09 PM PST by Minus_The_Bear
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To: presently no screen name
but it is possible the seat may have been still wet and asked to sit down because we will be taking off.

Oh, yes. That would make anyone go charging for the cockpit door. I found some empty peanut bags in my magazine pouch, and by God, the Captain heard from me!!

Just did not make the news.

378 posted on 12/20/2005 6:52:59 PM PST by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing. Become a Monthly Donor!)
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To: cyborg

"I like to watch Joel Osteen the same way I like to watch any other interesting inspirational program on television. I think he's very sincere in his desire to help people. I'm not making excuses but just giving my opinion."

I think he's sincere and (from what I've seen) he is not a wealth/success theologian. More "the power of positive thinking" type.


379 posted on 12/20/2005 6:57:09 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Shermy

Yes. If I want bible christianity, I go to my own church. I don't think television should replace church.


380 posted on 12/20/2005 6:58:21 PM PST by cyborg (Polar Bear Club of One)
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To: truthandlife
THIS JUST IN: (More details of the incident)

It turns out that Missus "One of the top preachers in the nation" was merely practicing her Shake Your Moneymaker routine in anticipation of the Aspen Charity Drive the family was rushing to attend.


381 posted on 12/20/2005 7:00:12 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: safisoft
When Yeshua [Jesus] saw the crowd around him, he gave orders to cross to the other side of the lake. A Torah-teacher approached and said to him, 'Rabbi, I will follow you wherever you go.' Yeshua said to him, 'The foxes have holes, and the birds flying about have nests, but the Son of Man has no home of his own.' Matthew 18:18-20 CJB

My understanding of that verse is that it was being used in the context of explaining that He was "not of this world". He most certainly had a home with His mother... but that wasn't what Jesus was trying to imply, IMO.

As far as the seamless garment....it is my understanding that this was only typical of high priests and Jesus wore it as "The High Priest", to represent His authority. There are many websites of historical value which describe this... and you can Google it. John 12:6 reveals that Judas was the treasurer for His ministry. No mistaking that. We are not to love money or put our faith in it... but there is no sin in being wealthy.

382 posted on 12/20/2005 7:00:16 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: truthandlife

Most of you Yankees probably haven't been to a Southern Megachurch. Some of them are like small cities.

My own church, Second Baptist of Houston is starting an 86 milllion dollar program. One of our satellite churches in katy Texas will build 200,000 square feet of additional space, primarily for our children. And we will be adding four churches in the Houston area. The main church on Woodway will buy a small shopping center for additional space, plus an additional area for parking, which is in very short supply.

We also will be establishing new churches in several major cities around the nation and space has been made available for us to start new churches in other countries.

As an aside, we have built 225 churches in Latin America over the last 25 years. And by that I mean that our members have landed with tools and supplies and constructed them with their own hands.

There is a very strong revival in the South and it shows in the attendance patterns that are developing.


383 posted on 12/20/2005 7:01:36 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: SamAdams76
LMAO!!!
384 posted on 12/20/2005 7:07:07 PM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: truthandlife

"She had an attitude" with the a flight attendent?

Listen, once I was on the plane with my sweet husband and two sons. It was a long flight and the kids were young. Our hope was that they would sleep through the trip. Blankets and pillows are short and I gave my husband the missin of securing blankets and pillows for the kids.

An Asian flight attendent came up to us and made fun of him for "hoarding" blankets for his family. She made some white male slurs. Since she, being Asian with a 'tude, I chalked it up to minority racism... I egged her on...I wanted her to show her true colors and she did. She thought anti-white male racism was so funny. We laughed AT her total ignorance, but we could have gotten into the opposition mode.

She thought it was so funny until I dropped the punch line that she was an asshole and to move along before I slapped her silly for being such as an asshole to my husband. I told her my husband is a Christian and that he would not put a racist in her place; rather trust that life would help out with justice.

But I warned her, don't try her racial superiority number on a man of Hispanic or African decent, because they would probably kick her ass.

So...we need more to this story. Was the flight attendent targeting this couple because they knew they were Christians? I would not doubt it. Flight attendents are Union members filled with obnoxious Left wingnut slogans.


385 posted on 12/20/2005 7:08:43 PM PST by Galveston Grl (Getting angry and abandoning power to the Democrats is not a choice.)
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To: Al Simmons

"First of all, using acronyms that may or may not mean what you think they mean is not swearing, but adding emphasis to a (rather) exasperated reply to something that strikes you as offensively stupid."

I didn't get off the turnip truck yesterday. I know what the initials stand for and so do you.

No need for anymore explanations from you. I have taken your measure.


386 posted on 12/20/2005 7:09:21 PM PST by miele man
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To: i_dont_chat

You may be on to something. In reading this one thing in particular makes no sense: every distrubance I've ever heard of ends up in an arrest, especially now. They may arrest them and drop charges later, but they will arrest you. The fact that she wasn't arrested means something happened that was a misunderstanding or overreaction.


387 posted on 12/20/2005 7:09:22 PM PST by 1L
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To: AZ_Cowboy

I put my faith in NO MINISTRY or human being... I'll let Jesus take that priority in my life. *chuckle* With that said, I like Joel's messages.....as I do others.... on occasion. I enjoy thought-provoking, biblical teachings. Like you... I don't watch much TV anymore... since life and work seems to get in the way.


388 posted on 12/20/2005 7:12:15 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: LaineyDee
As far as the seamless garment....it is my understanding that this was only typical of high priests and Jesus wore it as "The High Priest", to represent His authority

Nonsense. You can Google anything, and anyone who is saying this I would bookmark to avoid for serious research. The fact is, that the talit has been without seams for 2,000 years. Pious men wore them all the time in the First Century - like a pancho - and they were not for "rich people", anymore than Bible's carried to church are for rich people. The purpose of the talit was to carry the tzitzit (fringes) from Numbers 15. Those tzitzit were also on the High Priest's garments, but in this case ALL Israelite men were supposed to wear them.

In other words, whoever says that the seamless garment was not common in those days, is quite ignorant of First Century customs. Let me guess, Google points to various "health and wealth-ers" for this kind of serious scholarship?

John 12:6 reveals that Judas was the treasurer for His ministry. No mistaking that... but there is no sin in being wealthy.

Those were my points. But you said "Jesus was well off" - and you said "Jesus had a treasurer" - those were the issues, and those are untrue statements.

It is certainly no sin to be wealthy... but why do apologist have to come up with "Well, Jesus was wealthy" statements?
389 posted on 12/20/2005 7:13:29 PM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: truthandlife
Wanna be "One of the top preachers in the nation"? The Hair, son, the Hair!


390 posted on 12/20/2005 7:14:17 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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To: wtp7
all TV evangelist are swine...you are either Catholic, agnostic, athiest, non-church going, or you attend an evangelical church and really have nothing...what a thoughtless statement

Actually, I am not a brain dead dumbass who has to get salvation from a overly made up coiffed snake oil salesman on TV with a bunch of shiney sets and crappy ass music. I'm sure you like old Paul Crouch (just try to block out the fact that he gave blow jobs to his chauffeuer and paid him to keep silent.) Why do you hate Catholics?

391 posted on 12/20/2005 7:17:02 PM PST by Central Scrutiniser (Screw Christmas, Happy Festivus!!!)
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To: truthandlife

Even though it was Victoria who caused the commotion, I'm seeing alot of unwarranted venom directed at Joel on this thread.

Just a convenient thread to bash him on, I suppose.


392 posted on 12/20/2005 7:17:29 PM PST by SandyInSeattle (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Some if it is just a distaste for Megachurches that normally appears on FR. Nothing to worry about.


393 posted on 12/20/2005 7:22:19 PM PST by TexanToTheCore (Rock the pews, Baby)
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To: Steve_Seattle

>About the only TV preachers that I think aren't after big bucks are James Robison and Charles Stanley.<

Charles Stanley has a private plane.


394 posted on 12/20/2005 7:22:40 PM PST by Blessed
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To: CaptainK


LOL! I sat on Houston's runway for 2 hours in June on a Continental flight. Yes, I was LIVID.


395 posted on 12/20/2005 7:22:44 PM PST by onyx (Merry Christmas everybody.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

yep.....

just a bunch of stupidity and silliness....

I guess a few are jealous of him. Some others are probably hitting the "enriched" eggnog and some are hidden socialists who are hinting at class warfare on FR.....


396 posted on 12/20/2005 7:23:26 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: don-o

One article said she left on her own accord and one said she charged the cockpit door. As we all know, news articles do fabricate to make a story.

Even if it were you, don-o, I'd give you the same courtesy as waiting for the truth. I don't rely on the press to be factual. If one has not learned that by not, they never will.


397 posted on 12/20/2005 7:23:27 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Revolting cat!

Well, Jan's hair's not purple in that picture, at least (what the hey, it's Christmas and I'm feeling charitable).


398 posted on 12/20/2005 7:24:00 PM PST by hispanarepublicana (Chuck Cooperstein is a tool.)
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To: Al Simmons
Yup, it sure offended me back then. But it doesn't any more. Turns out Jesse was right.

First of all, I am NOT in Iraq any longer. Secondly, if you think you are weak, you will bash those who you see as stronger than you are. And I wouldn't call my Pentecostal Father and Mother in Laws weak by any STRETCH of the imagination.....
399 posted on 12/20/2005 7:25:26 PM PST by MikefromOhio
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To: hispanarepublicana
All right, you axed for it!


400 posted on 12/20/2005 7:26:19 PM PST by Revolting cat! ("In the end, nothing explains anything.")
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