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Feingold vs Patrick Henry

Posted on 12/21/2005 7:16:29 AM PST by hudsonohio

Feingold quoting Patrick Henry has to be the most absurd thing I've heard all week. What Henry said was "Give me Liberty or Give me Death!" What Feingold is saying is " Give me the right to have private converstions with people who want to murder American men, women and children or give me death!"

If he and his dimwit friends keep at this they may get both. Unfortunately they'll drag alot of innocents with them.


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1 posted on 12/21/2005 7:16:29 AM PST by hudsonohio
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To: hudsonohio
Some other dude once said "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."
2 posted on 12/21/2005 7:18:11 AM PST by Wristpin ("The Yankees have decided to buy every player in Baseball....")
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To: hudsonohio
Latest word is that 'Patrick Henry' has rolled over in his grave and said, 'That SOB Feingold is screwing with my quotes'
dumb-as-dirt
3 posted on 12/21/2005 7:20:26 AM PST by geo40xyz
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To: hudsonohio

I would admire him if he thought he might really have to sacrifice his own life. But that sort of thing doesn't happen in the Senate. I believe they have their own bunker.


4 posted on 12/21/2005 7:20:29 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: Wristpin
Some other dude once said "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

The vigilance recommended in this quote is on the part of the people AGAINST ENCROACHING POWERS OF GOVERNMENT.

5 posted on 12/21/2005 7:21:48 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: hudsonohio
Well jee whiz. If she's going to quote Patrick Henry, how about these jewels of wisdom:

Religion I have disposed of all my property to my family. There is one thing more I wish I could give to them, and that is the Christian religion. If they had that and I had not given them one cent, they would be rich. If they have not that, and I had given them the world, they would be poor.

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The great object is that every man be armed.

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We are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of Nature has placed in our power... the battle, sir, is not to the strong alone it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.

6 posted on 12/21/2005 7:23:42 AM PST by pgyanke (I shudder for my country when I reflect that God is just. - (paraphrased) T. Jefferson)
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To: hudsonohio
>Feingold quoting Patrick Henry

Libertarians
have done so well chatting up
our Founding Fathers

with their ouija boards
and seances, the mainstream
now wants to play, too!

7 posted on 12/21/2005 7:28:44 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: hudsonohio
In context:

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace--but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

8 posted on 12/21/2005 7:30:22 AM PST by pgyanke (I shudder for my country when I reflect that God is just. - (paraphrased) T. Jefferson)
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To: geo40xyz

Word has it that Feingold is testing the Presidential waters. Hey, Russ, I'll be President before you will.


9 posted on 12/21/2005 7:36:48 AM PST by Inwoodian
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To: hudsonohio
Feingold would be for it, if he could use wiretapping to list all those who refuse to visit Disneyworld with their children during Gay Days.
10 posted on 12/21/2005 7:39:44 AM PST by PMCarey
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To: hudsonohio

If General Washington could have tapped the British conversations in NY Patrick Henry would have lived.


11 posted on 12/21/2005 7:42:15 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Semper Paratus

Thank you.


12 posted on 12/21/2005 7:43:50 AM PST by zook
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To: PMCarey

You sir are an advanced wit - I commend you for your humor.

That is the funniest line on Feingold that I have ever read.


13 posted on 12/21/2005 7:45:07 AM PST by novembersurprise (madisonRepublican)
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To: PMCarey

ROTFLMAO


14 posted on 12/21/2005 7:48:23 AM PST by hudsonohio
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To: proxy_user

Thats right Feingold isnt fighting anyone to the death over anything.

Patrick Henry was a Patriot. Feingold is a Democrat politician.

Never the Twain shall meet.

I do know some Democrat Patriots, they arent in politics and most of them switched over and voted for george Bush.
I imagine a lot more will do the same in 06.


15 posted on 12/21/2005 7:52:37 AM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: hudsonohio
I can think of no point in Patrick Henry's philosophies that would match Feingold's. The irony of seeing the mother of CFR cry for personal liberties and then have the guts to quote Patrick Henry..

I blew a gasket over that one.
16 posted on 12/21/2005 7:57:45 AM PST by kingu
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To: Carry_Okie
The vigilance recommended in this quote is on the part of the people AGAINST ENCROACHING POWERS OF GOVERNMENT.

You are correct, but you might also consider that the Fourth Amendment protects us from UNREASONABLE search and siezure. It should also be noted that since the Prez is ordering these Outside-FISA intercepts, there is a record of them and others are privy to the info. Even without the at-the-moment court interaction, there is still a modicum of checks by virtue of the others knowing and a record of the orders. If the Prez did/does anything wrong or illegal, there will be a trail by which to hang him. Those doing the Chicken Little act are very aware of this and would be using more specific attacks if they thought they had any real ammo. There is still a dearth of information on citizens who have had their rights violated and we all know it would be headlined in the largest possible banners if there were any such folks.

17 posted on 12/21/2005 8:00:49 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: trebb
You are correct, but you might also consider that the Fourth Amendment protects us from UNREASONABLE search and siezure.

Which is for Congress to decide, not the President.

The rest of your argument, while true, does not change the substantive fact that the President should have requested legislative authorization, after the fact if necessary. This is a delicate matter best decided in the open by representatives of the people.

18 posted on 12/21/2005 8:09:17 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
This is a delicate matter best decided in the open by representatives of the people.

I trust the Prez much more than I trust most of these "representatives of the people". If we hash it out in public, we might as well give the terrorists a handbook on how to avoid detection. The term "National Secrets" is not a misnomer; there are some things that cannot be made public without causing serious or grave damage to the country and the citizens. Most of the howlers were not as far in the dark as they claim - they are making a shameless and treasonous attack, at the peril of our country, for pure partisan reasons. Rockefeller was privy to much of the info and had a legitimate avenue to discuss any misgivings with the Prez at any time. Yet, he decided to haul out a letter that he had held for over two years in order to show that he had harbored misgivings. As the VP said, this is more than a little disingenuous.

19 posted on 12/21/2005 8:28:36 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: trebb
I trust the Prez much more than I trust most of these "representatives of the people".

From a legal and constitutional perspective, that means you trust Hillary, were she president, more than Congress.

No thanks. Making such powers permanent is not a good thing.

20 posted on 12/21/2005 8:30:27 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
This is a delicate matter best decided in the open by representatives of the people.

That should be "The People" (note the caps) referring the The People of the United States, as in citizens, as in citizens who have represenatives in congress. Now pray tell, who are the representatives of Al Quaeda?

21 posted on 12/21/2005 9:05:08 AM PST by PMCarey
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To: PMCarey
That should be "The People" (note the caps) referring the The People of the United States, as in citizens, as in citizens who have represenatives in congress.

Fine.

Now pray tell, who are the representatives of Al Quaeda?

The MSM, International ANSWER, um... the French grubbamint, the ChiComs, the Iranian giveamint, um... Howard Dean, Nancy Pelosi, George Soros, Jay Rockefeller, um...

What the hell is your point?

22 posted on 12/21/2005 9:09:34 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie
What the hell is your point?

That the 4th Amendment refers to the rights of The People of the United States. It does not confer those rights onto terrorists and therefore a reference to the 4th amendment in this situation is null and void.

23 posted on 12/21/2005 9:41:50 AM PST by PMCarey
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To: PMCarey
That the 4th Amendment refers to the rights of The People of the United States. It does not confer those rights onto terrorists and therefore a reference to the 4th amendment in this situation is null and void.

All the government has to do is label someone a "potential terrorist" and their rights are void? That is the most extended and contorted piece of "logic" I have ever seen. You belong in Soviet Russia.

24 posted on 12/21/2005 10:53:32 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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