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Did Early Humans First Arise in Asia, Not Africa?
National Geographic News ^ | December 27, 2005 | Nicholas Bakalar

Posted on 12/28/2005 4:01:34 PM PST by SuzyQue

Did Early Humans First Arise in Asia, Not Africa?

Nicholas Bakalar
for National Geographic News
 
December 27, 2005

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They believe that early-human fossil discoveries over the past ten years suggest very different conclusions about where humans, or humanlike beings, first walked the Earth.

New Asian finds are significant, they say, especially the 1.75 million-year-old small-brained early-human fossils found in Dmanisi, Georgia, and the 18,000-year-old "hobbit" fossils (Homo floresiensis) discovered on the island of Flores in Indonesia.

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"What seems reasonably clear now," Dennell said, "is that the earliest hominins in Asia did not need large brains or bodies." These attributes are usually thought to be prerequisites for migration.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/12/1227_051227_asia_migration.html

 

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Just interesting stuff.
1 posted on 12/28/2005 4:01:36 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: SuzyQue; PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 12/28/2005 4:04:39 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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I never know what to do with threads like this. I'll just ping a few.


3 posted on 12/28/2005 4:08:44 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Virtual Ignore for trolls, lunatics, dotards, common scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: SuzyQue

Jesse and Al aren't gonna like this...


4 posted on 12/28/2005 4:19:12 PM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
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To: SuzyQue
Did Early Humans First Arise in Asia, Not Africa?

Let me give them a clue. Where was the Garden of Eden?

5 posted on 12/28/2005 4:25:58 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: Coyoteman

Dumb question - what is the place marker for?


6 posted on 12/28/2005 4:31:15 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: SuzyQue
Image hosted by Photobucket.com Peking Man??? Asia unlike africa is closed so there's been virtually no exploration done in the last 75 years... time will tell
7 posted on 12/28/2005 4:38:01 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: SuzyQue
Oh no!
First you whiteys took away Tutankhamen, now this!

:-)

8 posted on 12/28/2005 4:43:19 PM PST by Bon mots
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To: SunkenCiv

GGG ping


9 posted on 12/28/2005 4:43:57 PM PST by Fractal Trader
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To: taxesareforever
Did Early Humans First Arise in Asia, Not Africa?

Let me give them a clue. Where was the Garden of Eden?

Probably at the bottom of what is now the Black Sea if you think that helps.

So9

10 posted on 12/28/2005 4:47:46 PM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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Thanks Fractal Trader.
The Scars of Evolution
by Elaine Morgan
"The most remarkable aspect of Todaro's discovery emerged when he examined Homo Sapiens for the 'baboon marker'. It was not there... Todaro drew one firm conclusion. 'The ancestors of man did not develop in a geographical area where they would have been in contact with the baboon. I would argue that the data we are presenting imply a non-African origin of man millions of years ago.'"
Primary Literature by Jonathan Marks
Benveniste, Raoul E. and Todaro, George J. (1976) Evolution of type C viral genes: Evidence for an Asian origin of man. Nature, 261:101-107. This study also applied DNA hybridization to the apes. They found a 3-way split.
socrates.berkeley.edu/~jonmarks/biblio.html

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11 posted on 12/28/2005 4:52:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("In silence, and at night, the Conscience feels that life should soar to nobler ends than Power.")
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To: SuzyQue
Dumb question - what is the place marker for?

Not dumb at all.

This is a subject I am very interested in, so I leave a placemarker. Then when I go to my ping list, the placemarker shows up as my most recent ping, and the number of posts made by others are also shown. I can revisit the thread periodically to review those posts.

This is especially handy when there are several interesting threads at the same time and I am trying to get some work done as well.

12 posted on 12/28/2005 4:52:58 PM PST by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: taxesareforever

At the confluence of the Pishon, Gihon, Tigris, and Euphrates Rivers, as I recall. And, yes, they are in Asia.


13 posted on 12/28/2005 4:54:40 PM PST by Jedidah
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To: SuzyQue
Did Early Humans First Arise in Asia, Not Africa?

Check their passports. That should tell them something about their country of origin.
14 posted on 12/28/2005 5:02:32 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: Jedidah
At the confluence of the Pishon, Gihon, Tigris, and Euphrates Rivers, as I recall. And, yes, they are in Asia.

Yep. So why are they even considering Africa?

15 posted on 12/28/2005 5:06:58 PM PST by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: VadeRetro

FYI, since we crossed swords on this issue sometime back. No proof of course but I've long suspected this possibility and I'm keeping an open mind.


16 posted on 12/28/2005 5:08:26 PM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: PatrickHenry
Did Early Humans First Arise in Asia, Not Africa?

The presentation is confusing and I don't see where the case is made.

The hominid progression up to ergaster is still in Africa. As I read this article, two researchers are saying that ergaster, a thing younger and more modern than habilis but slightly older than erectus, could have evolved in Asia from some earlier out-of-Africa migration and spread back the other way into Africa. Except I don't know why you'd think so.

Or maybe they're saying ergaster (found in Africa) migrated out and had become erectus by the time it hit SE Asia. Then it spread back the other way.

The question is how you explain having ergaster in Africa and the only slightly different and later erectus all over the place. Occam's Razor says to keep it simple until you need to get complicated.

17 posted on 12/28/2005 5:08:34 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Bernard Marx
FYI, since we crossed swords on this issue sometime back.

No recollection, sorry. If this article agrees with you, what were you saying?

18 posted on 12/28/2005 5:10:02 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro

As I recall I suggested the possibility of human origins in Asia, not Africa, in one of these threads. You took rather sharp exception to that, which is why it stuck in my memory. But memory is frail and maybe I have it wrong.


19 posted on 12/28/2005 5:14:45 PM PST by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: Bernard Marx
If that was your thesis, the article's headline suggests you had a point. The body of the article doesn't much that I can see.
20 posted on 12/28/2005 5:18:16 PM PST by VadeRetro (Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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