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Dennis Prager Divorcing
Dennis Prager.com ^ | December 30, 2005

Posted on 12/30/2005 10:21:26 AM PST by onedoug

Deenis Prager on now discussing his own impending divorce....


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: California
KEYWORDS: dennisprager; divorce; morality; prager; talkradio
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To: mcg1969
LOL! I went to that link where it had basic data info on Prager. Along with DOB and Gender there was this:

SEXUAL ORIENTATION: Straight

First time I've ever seen that in an ID but probably won't be the last.

http://www.nndb.com/people/768/000047627/

151 posted on 12/30/2005 2:26:59 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: onedoug

It's unseemly business and a sad situation in almost every case.

It happens though and a culture should have a mechanism to address it.

As I have said many times, I have no idea why so many folks place such a high premium on forcing two people who can't stand each other to remain together. It's whacked.


152 posted on 12/30/2005 2:27:29 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: onedoug

Oh man. Prayers for Dennis and his family. His show is fantastic. I wish them all well.


153 posted on 12/30/2005 2:28:24 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: HitmanNY
Only a genuinely sick individual sees some sort of social value in forcing two people who can't stand each other to remain together.
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God wants us to stay together in spite of the fact that we do and will get sick of each other, I'm pretty sure of that. I think that's what He said. And He wants us to have lots of children also. Like 10 or more, than we won't have time to argue about the piddly stuff in life. We will be busy raising the next generation that will give glory and service toward Him.

The TV shows of the last 40 years have warped our minds into believing life is like high school, one big crush after another - oh the thrill of it.
154 posted on 12/30/2005 2:33:53 PM PST by Esther Ruth (I have loved thee with an EVERLASTING LOVE, Jeremiah 31:3 Genesis 12:1-3 ***ZECH 12:3)
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To: Esther Ruth

God in the Old Testement specifically conveyed rules and procedures for divorce.

I hate to break the news to you.


155 posted on 12/30/2005 2:40:50 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: Yaelle
Perhaps it was not his choice. Then what?

I am asking, because that is what happened to my father. It is not that he didn't contribute to the divorce, but when he realized what was happening it was too late and my mother had made up her mind.

As an adult when my parents split, I can tell you that there are no easy answers. And while I continue to believe that divorce is spiritually and morally wrong, I can not judge the situation of others. I can only do my very best to do right in my own marriage.

Bottom line: Perhaps it wasn't Prager who is making the final decision here.
156 posted on 12/30/2005 2:41:18 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: onedoug

The Pragers are far too long in the tooth for such foolishness.

Medved sounded embarrassed for them when someone just mentioned it on his show.

How pathetic.

And what a downer to dump this on all of us going into celebrating New Year's.


157 posted on 12/30/2005 2:43:48 PM PST by karenbarinka (Trust no one who slandered Mel or Passion)
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To: HitmanNY

You have a very practical perspective. There are times when meeting half way is not an option. The compromise, in your case for instance, is to say that you value the relationship over your dream of having four kids.

The emotional trick/self-discipline is not holding that against her later if things go through a rocky period. To give it up completely without any residual resentment. What it all comes down to is that a good marriage is a series of small, but important "little choices."

I come to it as a Christian and I agree with you to a huge extent. In my own life, I must decide daily that I value my relationship with my husband more than "getting my way" every time, or a million other little things. He does the same for me. That is the compromise.

In any case, good job, you've nailed it.


158 posted on 12/30/2005 2:49:27 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish
I have raised this very issue in every anti divorce thread I have contributed to.

What is the other person doesn't want to breathe the same air you breathe?

Divorce is bad, but it isn't a catastrophic sin, either.
159 posted on 12/30/2005 2:49:57 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: Misterioso
Really?
You don't like Green Lettuce Bacon & Tomato?
160 posted on 12/30/2005 2:53:47 PM PST by Publius6961 (The IQ of California voters is about 420........... .............cumulatively)
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To: pollyannaish

Thanks. The important component as you said is not to hold something against the other person in a bad spell. That is amazingly difficult, I think.

It's best to have aligned life goals rather than make big surrenders like the one I mentioned. If the woman gives in, at some level (unless motherhood really suits her), and she really never wanted kids, there will be some resentment there against hubby. similarly, hubby who gives in with no kids (but who wanted them) will feel pangs on resentment as his siblings and friends enjoy their children, and may grow to resent his surrender on the issue.

These things have a habit of getting worse.

For me, I tend to value practical responses that are principled over principled responses that are impractical. :-) Some mature compromises and indeed sacrifices must be made to keep a marriage intact. The bigger and more important those surrenders/compromises are, the more potentially harmful they may grow to be.

Just the truth. Thanks! I come to this as a practicing, but practical, Catholic, by the way.


161 posted on 12/30/2005 2:57:41 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: HitmanNY
As I have said many times, I have no idea why so many folks place such a high premium on forcing two people who can't stand each other to remain together. It's whacked.

I've been getting some education here on Jewish wedding vows and divorce procedures. It appears that according to DP's views divorce is a perfectly acceptable, if not desirable, option. Christians tend to take Jesus' words on the matter seriously, that what God has joined together, let no man put asunder. There is no question in contemporary America of "forcing" people to remain married, and no one has suggested that is possible. What some are saying is that if you take a vow "till death do us part" to your spouse and your God, you're pretty well stuck with it.

I know nothing of the Dennis Praeger situation and would not presume to judge him. But as a general rule, when there are children of a marriage, the parents' "feelings" are far less important than the welfare of the children in having an intact marriage of the mother and father.

162 posted on 12/30/2005 2:57:51 PM PST by Faraday
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To: HitmanNY
I believe that divorce is part of our sinful nature. It does contribute to the rending of society. It causes pain, dysfunction and undue stress on families and communities in ways we don't even understand.

But so do bad marriages.

My point is basically that all sin is sin in the eyes of God. It all separates us from him. As a Christian I believe those sins are covered by the blood of Christ.

It doesn't mean we go looking for sin, and it especially doesn't mean it should be celebrated. It also means we shouldn't abandon the ideal.

It does mean it can be forgiven just as all sin and it means that we are to be compassionate towards those that suffer because of it.

Frankly, I'm not really sure just why that is so to understand. Sometimes, people forget to check the beam in their own eye, before picking at the splinter in someone else's. I believe we have been warned about that. ; )
163 posted on 12/30/2005 3:06:30 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: HitmanNY
Just the truth. Thanks! I come to this as a practicing, but practical, Catholic, by the way.

: ). Practical Protestant in my perspectives. Mostly, I try to really understand what God expects from us.

Perfection is certainly not one of those things. Thank goodness, because honestly I could never live up to half the "important principles" people spout around here. All I can say is that I am unflinchingly grateful that I have a God that was willing to take the wages of sin for me.

164 posted on 12/30/2005 3:14:28 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: onedoug

And oh yeah, what the hell possessed him to announce this during "The Happiness Hour" ?!*


165 posted on 12/30/2005 3:16:29 PM PST by karenbarinka (Trust no one who slandered Mel or Passion)
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To: mcg1969

That's a very old picture.
He was on the same plane I took recently to Houston.
I heard his unmistakable voice while boarding the plane, and wondered if that was him.

Now I know it was. He was alone and did not look very happy.


166 posted on 12/30/2005 3:18:53 PM PST by b9
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To: mcg1969
Nevermind that only one person in history has ever done so.

Why it's important to focus on that one person and not "good Christians" who will always become a disappointment-- sooner or later.

167 posted on 12/30/2005 3:24:41 PM PST by lonestar (Me, too--Weinie)
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To: Publius6961

Everything but those Tomatoes.


168 posted on 12/30/2005 4:00:31 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: HitmanNY

< What is the other person doesn't want to breathe the same air you breathe? >

I didn't hear his announcement. I do know that he said it was no one's fault...or something like that. I wonder if it is she who is filing? In that case, what choice does he have.


169 posted on 12/30/2005 4:10:16 PM PST by GOP_Proud ("smooth as butt-ahh"... Toolbelt Diva)
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To: mcg1969
I'm really not sure when he ever had authority, at least not in the sense of the word I understand it. He is an advocate, but I don't buy his words as Gospel immediately just because he says it.

Do you mean you're not sure IF he ever had authority? After you eventually DO buy his words as Gospel, are you then deeming him a person of authority? How DO you understand "authority?"

170 posted on 12/30/2005 4:14:09 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: onedoug

Astonishing bump for later.


171 posted on 12/30/2005 4:15:37 PM PST by Euro-American Scum (A poverty-stricken middle class must be a disarmed middle class)
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To: napscoordinator

You waded in not even knowing who Prager is? Chutzpah!


172 posted on 12/30/2005 4:17:21 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: PJ-Comix
First time I've ever seen that in an ID but probably won't be the last.

In looking over the web site it seems that, if they know a person's orientation, they divulge it.

173 posted on 12/30/2005 4:21:38 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: IRememberElian

You have my sympathy, gloating in the sadness of another person's life. You really are pathetic.


174 posted on 12/30/2005 4:22:24 PM PST by GoldwaterChick
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To: Esther Ruth
You think that's what He said?
175 posted on 12/30/2005 4:23:11 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: GOP_Proud

That's my point to the strong advocates against divorce - if your spouse decides to leave you, as a practical matter what choice do you have? None. It's been decided for you.

I don't know the Pragers situation but my point was not specific to them in any way.

I also have to say that I am a huge fan of Dennis, and this development does sadden me.


176 posted on 12/30/2005 4:36:37 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: Misterioso
In looking over the web site it seems that, if they know a person's orientation, they divulge it.

I know but it was pretty funny to see it on an ID. What's next? Will "SEXUAL ORIENTATION" be listed on driver's licenses? And what would the categories be? Staight, Gay, Lesbian, Transexual, Transvestite, Bi-Sexual, and/or Otherly Gendered?

177 posted on 12/30/2005 4:37:38 PM PST by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: mcg1969
The bottom line is that we shouldn't put people up on pedestals, because we all are fallible.
178 posted on 12/30/2005 4:41:15 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (never surrender, this is for the kids)
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To: pollyannaish
Bottom line: Perhaps it wasn't Prager who is making the final decision here.

It took until post 156 before anyone asked this question. Instead, we have a couple of schmucks rushing to their keyboards before any of the real facts are out there. Some just want to talk out their collective asses, others want to demonstrate what douchebags they can be, as if we didn't know this already.

179 posted on 12/30/2005 5:03:14 PM PST by Captainpaintball
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To: HitmanNY
It's an unfortunate fact of life that some people will be saddled with people who either are or develop into poor spouses.

I agree with a lot of what you are posting, but I wanted to point out the part in bold. We aren't "saddled with" someone, we CHOOSE them. The hope, of course, is that we will make a good choice. Sometimes people make poor choices and sometimes people change in ways that we could not anticipate.

I don't insist that everyone stay married no matter how miserable they are. I would like people to understand that there are cycles to marriage, and sometimes just waiting things out and making more effort to be nice to each other can get you through a slumpy period.

Part of the reason we get married is to experience deep love and intimacy. Many people never get there because they cut and run when things aren't fun anymore. They don't seem to realize that if they make the effort to work it through, (many times) they will be rewarded tremendously with more love, respect and trust. My husband and I have gone through some VERY rough times in our marriage and some rough times in life. Today, I love and appreciate my husband a hundred times more than I did when we married 15 years ago.

It is impossible to do this without both spouses being somewhat willing to stick it out, or at least too apathetic to leave. People seem to have no hope at all that things CAN be different. That makes me sad.

180 posted on 12/30/2005 5:09:54 PM PST by Dianna
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To: Faraday
I know nothing of the Dennis Praeger situation and would not presume to judge him. But as a general rule, when there are children of a marriage, the parents' "feelings" are far less important than the welfare of the children in having an intact marriage of the mother and father.

Of course, that is exactly right. Today, I think I heard a lot more pity from Prager for himself than I did for his kids. His attitudes on divorce & kids seem less in line with his profound faith than in being a Southern California media figure.

181 posted on 12/30/2005 5:20:33 PM PST by IRememberElian
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To: Captainpaintball

LOL. Answers for other people's lives are always much easier than our own.

I was a better wife before I became one, and a better parent before I had children.

It took me an embarrassingly long time to discover that...but I apparently it takes some even longer.


182 posted on 12/30/2005 5:25:18 PM PST by pollyannaish
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To: Dianna

Best post of this thread.


183 posted on 12/30/2005 6:24:20 PM PST by Misterioso
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To: Inkie
This is what's known as "Lashon Horah."

You got me there. I shouldn't have. You are right.

I really like and admire Dennis for so many wonderful things. I should not have criticised him in public for his actions. I hope what I said about him isn't true and it shouldn't be my business anyway. I do relish the thought of being able to debate whether he is justified in saying divorce doesn't hurt kids.

184 posted on 12/30/2005 7:47:15 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: IRememberElian

Are you a conservative Jew? If not, how can you speak to what his "profound faith" says about divorce?


185 posted on 12/30/2005 8:24:35 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: Misterioso

Geez. Excuu-u-u-u-use me for using soft language, so some nitpciker can pick it apart. And no, I won't explain further to you.


186 posted on 12/30/2005 8:25:48 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969

Does divorce mean you cannot have strong moral standards?
Maybe his wife was stepping out on him.
Who knows?


187 posted on 12/30/2005 8:41:30 PM PST by MistrX
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To: MistrX

Read my post 23. I agree he can have strong moral standards, and even advocate for them---even if he fails to live up to them sometimes.

But in fact, many people here are assuming that his position on divorce mirrors the Christian position, and I don't think that's a reasonable assumption. So in fact, he may not be deviating from the his position at all, in this instance at least.


188 posted on 12/30/2005 8:56:38 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969

I agree with post #23.
What is the Christian position on divorce, as you see it?
Some of us are just lucky, and bond for life.
I am blessed to be one of them.
25 years and counting.


189 posted on 12/30/2005 9:10:23 PM PST by MistrX
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To: mcg1969
Are you a conservative Jew? If not, how can you speak to what his "profound faith" says about divorce?

I can't. But, my wife and one or two religious people on this thread think his Old Testament interpretations on divorce are .... self-serving.

How would you like to be his 13 year old boy tomorrow? Walking into school with everyone looking at you after your Dad was whining about his divorce on the air? Even in California, that's unspeakably sad. Was it necessary?

Maybe his wife was really awful and the divorce is unavoidable. But, his denial of the harm divorce does to kids is disturbing.

190 posted on 12/30/2005 9:12:57 PM PST by IRememberElian
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To: IRememberElian
I think you and others are misrepresenting his position on the effect that divorce has on kids. I don't think he's denying that divorce can be harmful to children; rather, he seemed to say that it was not inevitable that divorce harms kids. That to prevent it requires that the (former) couple be united, determined, and perseverant to make sure that it does not.

I could be mis-remembering or mis-understanding what was said. But I remember being surprised by one of the callers that agreed with him. The caller claimed his kids were doing great but that the parents were working very hard together towards that goal, and that they didn't have any resentment towards each together. I had to ask myself, "well, then why not remarry"?

191 posted on 12/30/2005 9:26:43 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: IRememberElian
My wife and one or two religious people on this thread think his Old Testament interpretations on divorce are .... self-serving.

Well, it certainly seems that way. As Christians (I assume you are?) we have the benefit of Christ's divine interpretation and clarification of the Torah. But if we are going to be fair, we have to attempt to see the issue from the position of a Conservative Jew who relies solely on the Torah, Talmud, rabbinical tradition, and so forth.

A few years ago I did a study of the various doctrines of divorce in the Christian community. They broke down into four categories: 1) no divorce, period; 2) divorce, but no remarriage, period; 3) divorce and remarriage under strict circumstances (adultery/abandonment); 4) divorce and remarriage under liberal circumstances. I think it's safe to say that taken together, #1-#3 are all stricter than Dennis Prager's position, and represent the overwhelming majority; #4 is a minority position.

During the course of that study it was clear that Jesus' statements on divorce were stricter than anything clearly laid down in the Old Testament. Interestingly, the divorce question was an ongoing debate in Jesus' time. Many had what basically amounts to the Prager position, that Scripture allows it but regulates it; some took the position that it should be allowed only in limited circumstances. (The two schools of thought were named for individual rabbis, I believe, whose names escape me at the moment.)

Some scholars suggest that Jesus was simply agreeing with the strict school of thought. Other suggest he was going even further than that school of thought.

But either way, it seems clear from that study at least, that the mainstream Christian teaching on divorce is at the very least on the conservative end of the Jewish spectrum; and, quite possibly, considerably stricter.

192 posted on 12/30/2005 9:37:32 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: MistrX

Congratulations on a wonderful marriage, MistrX. I am but a young whippersnapper, married 4 years, 57.5 to go. (At which point my wife or I will die, per our reckoning :))

I personally take the generally mainstream, conservative Protestant position on divorce and remarriage, in which it is permitted in certain limited circumstances. I do not intend to indulge that prerogative, however. I am determined to forgive my wife if need be even for the few indiscretions which would "allow" me to divorce; though I pray she never tests me in that way. I frankly couldn't even conceive of it, she is so wonderful.


193 posted on 12/30/2005 9:39:47 PM PST by mcg1969
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To: mcg1969

Good on you!


194 posted on 12/30/2005 9:48:53 PM PST by MistrX
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To: mcg1969
Thanks for the serious replies (and not calling me names!). I hope others take the time to read them.

My problem with Prager isn't theological. I just never liked him. But, that's just me. What's sad is that, his kids are getting their world destroyed in public, while we weep for their rich Dad.

195 posted on 12/30/2005 10:29:31 PM PST by IRememberElian
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To: IRememberElian

Not to try to minimize the effects of divorce on kids, but what kids are we talking about? From his bio it looks like he has one grow kid, and one who is at least a teenager (don't know how old said child was when adopted). Perhaps you know more than I do.


196 posted on 12/30/2005 10:51:58 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: onedoug

Prayers for he and his family and all others in such a condition. There is no joy in this at all.


197 posted on 12/30/2005 10:57:25 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: onedoug

How sad. He's one of the better hosts on the radio. I wonder how this will impact his discussions on happiness.


198 posted on 12/30/2005 11:15:58 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (Hoc ad delectationem stultorum scriptus est)
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To: lainie; doug from upland

let me guess...he is marrying Al Rantel?


199 posted on 12/30/2005 11:21:22 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: joesbucks

I guess you must be Jesus Christ. Because you are moralizing here on this board to all of us, so you must be flaw-free.


200 posted on 12/30/2005 11:29:04 PM PST by Inkie (Surround Fallujia and start shooting.)
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