Posted on 12/30/2005 10:21:26 AM PST by onedoug
Deenis Prager on now discussing his own impending divorce....
Well, of course it does not thrill me as a mom with children. If even our conservative radio guys that we listen to day in and day out, for hours at a time, that our husbands and fathers listen to, if these are our roll models - it is hard to continue to have hope for families and the future conservative children of the country. What roll models will they have? How will they be able to be faithful fathers who stay for the duration of a lifetime through it all if they haven't seen their fathers do it. It is heartbreaking - We were the worlds last and only hope to keep this thing that holds it all together, the family, together - Now what?
Years ago, I was in a church where one of the deacons left his wife and shacked up with a young woman in the choir.
It was obviously wrong.
However, in private, our pastor made the comment, "If you had ever seen how his wife treated him at home, you wouldn't be so quick to condemn." Found out later that his wife was one of those who ALWAYS found fault with her husband, and vocalized it constantly. He didn't leave her for sex, he left her for someone that actually LIKED him.
It was still wrong, but it taught me to be careful about condemning someone based on the obvious facts.
Good point. There is no obligation to live with an abusive spouse. In fact, there may be an obligation to decamp pronto, not only but especially if there are children at risk. The spiritual obligation to pray for the offending spouse and his/her repentance and reconciliation still applies.
I strongly agree that you have to be very selective before taking vows. If the rate of Catholic annulments is any indication, there are many, many couples who should never have taken vows in the first place, and whose vows are in fact invalid because they had no real commitment to them from the get-go.
It's a pathetic, painful, and shameful situation.
Yes, I know his positions on this. I just don't want to go anywhere that requires me to assume these things about this situation. Frankly, I think it is quite possible that his wife made the decision. As a woman, I would find it very hard to live with a public person, or a person so obsessed with having the latest technological gadget. Sexuality is not always the issue for incompatibility -- actually, the most common issue is money. If people don't have the same spending priorities, that's a very hard one to resolve.
How do you know this applies here? How do you know if, how, how long such attempts might have been made? How do you know it wasn't his wife who asked to split? We just don't know, so why be so holier than thou at this point? (See my response to Yaelle.)
I don't know what Mr. Prager's wife does, but I would think, in today's society, that different professional career paths can lead to incompatibility.
I will reiterate, a hypocrite is someone who doesn't even attempt to practice what they preach. Dennis Prager most assuredly does NOT fall into that category. People who live according to what they preach and sometimes sin and sometimes fail are NOT hypocrites.
I agree. It is troublesome. But we conservatives unfortunately are NOT impervious to the Liberalism around us and it's devastating affect on the world. It sometimes even affects our personal lives very negatively no matter how hard we amy try to live our principles.
Yes, that's always a possibility. I don't know what she does, either.
I'm sorry. I misunderstood. I am getting so many emails and subsequently I misspoke. Brain cramp. :-)
Let's all sit back, relax, and have a nice hot steaming cup of mind our own business, or an ice cold glass of get off our high horse...whichever is appropriate.
Maureen Dowd is still single. But Dennis isn't really famous enough...
(yuck, what a steaming pile of obnoxious comments, this thread is...)
Well, I agree with Dennis that divorce is not FATAL for children, and of course kids are resilient and they are forced to live through all kinds of horrors (my Dad was a child in the Holocaust in Germany) and losses. But when your life is cushy and all you have to do is just live in the same house and forsake all others for 4 more years, what is the big deal? What did Dennis have to HAVE RIGHT NOW that couldn't have waited til his son was on his own?
Maybe his wife did decide. However, if Dennis was very against that, maybe he would use his bully pulpit to show at least a LITTLE discomfort with the situation, even subliminally. So I don't think she decided. Dennis would not have been BEGGING for such supportive calls on how divorce is not that bad for kids. He might have taken more of the opposite calls - even if he had promised his wife not to rag her on the air for leaving him against his will, nothing could stop him from having "callers" talk about the ill effects of divorce on children.
But throwing the first stone is sooo much fun ...
And considering that this is his second time.
Yes, I do think society should just accept divorce - that is, accept that some marriages won't last for whatever reason and that there is no legitimate public purpose in forcing people to remain together.
That we choose to accept one, or some, bad things doesn't mean we choose to accept every bad thing.
As for my use of us, I think most americans do accept this and that those that stridently are against something like divorce are on the outside looking in, and in the minority.
Yes, we choose who we will partner up with in life. The thing is, people change and sometimes people make decisions that make it extraordinarily difficult for their married partner to remain with them. Sometimes people change and flatly reject and replace their married partner. That's a 'saddled with' situation whether we like it or not.
While I agree with everything you posted, it's not relevant. You can't hope to mandate that level of commitment among people. It's not realistic. It's good that you and I, and others, live that way. But no fault divorce is the best solution out of a series of bad choices. If two people don't want to have anything to do with each other, and have no interest in working things out (and I can imagine a circumstance where some folks might not be interested in the commitment to work it out), they should go their separate ways.
Any other answer is uncivilized or immature.
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