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Virginia denies benefits to illegals
The Washington Times ^ | December 31, 2005 | Dionne Walker

Posted on 12/31/2005 9:00:59 AM PST by High Cotton

RICHMOND -- A new Virginia law that bars illegal aliens from receiving state-funded benefits goes into effect tomorrow. The law restricts anybody without a Social Security number from receiving Medicaid, temporary assistance for needy families, and help from several other state and local programs. Supporters say the measure could save the state millions. "A lot of us were saying, instead of raising taxes, why don't we start prioritizing where we're spending our existing money," said Delegate David B. Albo, Fairfax Republican, who sponsored the bill. "One of the things we found was the state was not checking for legal presence for Medicaid."

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1 posted on 12/31/2005 9:01:01 AM PST by High Cotton
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To: High Cotton

Hard to believe that this is happening with the Dems in control. I guess they're just pandering.


2 posted on 12/31/2005 9:02:14 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: High Cotton

Sounds like reasonable law, one that shouldn't have needed to be passed in the first place if folks would just enforce the law against illegals currently on the books!

But it's a step in the right direction, I guess.

Wonder how long it will last before some activist liberal judge strikes it down?


3 posted on 12/31/2005 9:03:18 AM PST by Sister_T (Kenneth Blackwell for Governor of Ohio!)
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To: High Cotton

Great job, Virginia! (Watch your backs... here comes the ACLU). If only California would do this.


4 posted on 12/31/2005 9:04:10 AM PST by cgk (I don't see myself as a conservative. I see myself as a religious, right-wing, wacko extremist.)
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To: High Cotton
This is very cool, but a lot of illegals have fake socials. That is how they are able to buy houses. And everyone just looks the other way.

I hope they check all of them.

5 posted on 12/31/2005 9:04:54 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: High Cotton
Exact Article Already Posted - Use the search function, it isn't broke

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1549709/posts
Posted by Daralundy
On News/Activism 12/30/2005 11:32:40 PM PST · 35 replies · 614+ views

6 posted on 12/31/2005 9:06:13 AM PST by Condor51 (Leftists are moral and intellectual parasites - Standing Wolf)
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To: High Cotton

we tried this in California. Our own governor, Davis at the time threw it away. Never let it go to court because he knew it would be deemed unconstitutional.

Now the press lies about it and claims it was thrown down and called unconstitutional.

Prop187. SOS, save our state. We are not doing so well here because of the protection laws for illegal aliens. Good luck to you. Hope all other 49 states can find the backbone to tell these guys you cannot be a parasite here anymore.


7 posted on 12/31/2005 9:06:52 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Brilliant
"A lot of us were saying, instead of raising taxes, why don't we start prioritizing where we're spending our existing money," said Delegate David B. Albo, Fairfax Republican, who sponsored the bill.

Are Dems in control? I'm surprised they'd support a Republican's bill.

8 posted on 12/31/2005 9:09:17 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: Sister_T

Should be interesting.


9 posted on 12/31/2005 9:11:16 AM PST by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: BenLurkin
Should be interesting.

Or incredibly disheartening. A Goldberg v Kelly-style victory for illegals would cement handouts for anyone within our borders for the foreseeable future... and this one will be litigated.

10 posted on 12/31/2005 9:14:08 AM PST by Teacher317
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To: television is just wrong

Isn't it amazing how a Governor (who is sworn to enforce the law) can just pick and choose which laws he chooses to enforce? We're not talking some law from the 1800s that doesn't make sense anymore, but a law from a recent popular proposition. This alone should be grounds for impeachment.

Why are politicians so spooked? Because the media has convinced them they will be voted out by a wave of Hispanic voters. But most of those voters are illegals. And thanks to a not-so-stealth scheme to allow illegals to vote (including the Motor Votor Law, and not checking SS#s on forged documents, and plain old PC), they can.


11 posted on 12/31/2005 9:16:00 AM PST by rbg81
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To: High Cotton

Makes sense toe.


12 posted on 12/31/2005 9:17:06 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: Recovering_Democrat

They are in control of the governorship.


13 posted on 12/31/2005 9:17:55 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: High Cotton

Yes, Virginia, there are fake Social Security cards.


14 posted on 12/31/2005 9:19:44 AM PST by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: High Cotton
anybody without a Social Security number

Do they verify the legitimacy of SSN's? If not, they are spinning their wheels. If so, maybe 49 other states will adopt similar legislation. That would solve at least 50% of the illegals problem in this country.
15 posted on 12/31/2005 9:20:54 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: High Cotton

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1549709/posts

Posted last night - nothing wrong with reposting it after all this time though.


16 posted on 12/31/2005 9:23:21 AM PST by Daralundy
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To: rbg81

Mr. Grey-out Davis was representing the interests of ILLEGAL ALIEN population and not his real voters.

He "Davis" was in close association with the President of Mexico. Many visits down there 'probably' treated quite lavishly and had his pockets lined as well, STOOD up for a foreign government over his own. That should be considered treasonous activity. By the way, after that numerous congressmen and senators followed suit. How much possibly had they received to turn their backs on the legal citizens of this country...

I thought the President set foreign policy. It is not up to individual governors and congress people to visit foreign leaders and set foreign policy...


17 posted on 12/31/2005 9:24:15 AM PST by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Condor51

This is the first time I have seen it.


18 posted on 12/31/2005 9:28:17 AM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: Condor51
Use the search function, it isn't broke


19 posted on 12/31/2005 9:31:09 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: Brilliant
The Dems are most certainly not in control! We Republicans own the General Assembly by a solid majority, and when Governor Warner realized that, he knew he had no chance of vetoing this legislation. I'm proud of him for signing it, even though he knew it didn't matter if he did or not.
20 posted on 12/31/2005 9:32:07 AM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: teenyelliott

I wonder if one reason that laws concerning illegals are not enforced is due to this. If all the illegals who owned houses were deported, all those loans would be in default. Imagine what that would do to the economy! It would affect all of us. (Loans default. Bank collapses. Real estate bubble pops.)

I am still in favor of deporting illegals. I guess my point is that we should have been enforcing the laws all along instead of waiting until we got to the point where it would be extremely painful to do so. Better to take the bitter medicine now than to wait until later when the treatment becomes even more painful.

BTW, Amnesty is not the answer. That teaches the lesson that you can get away with illegal activity and it punishes all those who came here legally and did all the hard work required to obtain legal residency and/or citizenship.


21 posted on 12/31/2005 9:37:03 AM PST by generally
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To: High Cotton
"A lot of us were saying, instead of raising taxes, why don't we start prioritizing where we're spending our existing money,"

What a novel idea. Think we can sell this at the federal level?

22 posted on 12/31/2005 9:40:08 AM PST by Bahbah (A known Snow Flake)
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To: teenyelliott
Just imagine the effect on the mortgage industry if they suddenly and unexplainably stop receiving payments on all of these properties.

Personally, I think it'd be a windfall for them, as they can immediately foreclose on said properties and resell them at a higher rate. (Assuming the "tenants" didn't completely destroy it first...)

23 posted on 12/31/2005 9:45:33 AM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: High Cotton

Good!


24 posted on 12/31/2005 9:47:04 AM PST by YourAdHere (Viking kitties taste like chicken.)
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To: Sister_T

"Wonder how long it will last before some activist liberal judge strikes it down?"

My thought exactly. We passed the same "no benefits for illegals" law here in CA, only to have it immediately struck down by the 9th Circus.


25 posted on 12/31/2005 9:47:09 AM PST by hsalaw
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To: Recovering_Democrat

I actually got a letter from my Democrat delegate in our state Assembly, and he was very supportive of this act. Of course, he also gave me the song and dance about how Virginia can't afford to crack down on illegal immigration, and it should be a Federal job. He does seem reasonable on the subject though, and he's representing one of the few openly communist districts in the Commonwealth, so I figure that speaks volumes...


26 posted on 12/31/2005 9:47:28 AM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: detsaoT

"A lot of us were saying, instead of raising taxes, why don't we start prioritizing where we're spending our existing money,"

WELL DUH!!!!


27 posted on 12/31/2005 10:01:50 AM PST by annelizly
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To: generally; Gabz
That's the same thought I had at first - If you deport all of the illegals (or encourage them to depart for another state by denying them the social services they thrive on), you'll have massive defaults on mortgages, and the banks behind the mortgages would collapse. But after thinking about it s'more, I think it may actually be good for the banks, as they'd suddenly have clear title to all of the properties in default, and could sell each and every real property for a profit. It may actually end up being a windfall for them, which is why they are so brilliant for loaning to a high-risk group like that. (Unless I'm wrong, in which case they're not brilliant any longer. :) )

Short of deporting illegals, I am all for sending all of them to Maryland. There's not a more deserving state in all of the Nation than those shifty guys north of the Potomac. ;)

We have massive problems with illegals on the Eastern Shore. They are apparently driving up and down U.S. Route 13, without licenses, and are causing quite a large number of fatalities. By no surprise, if they don't bother to follow immigration laws, they have proven not to be inclined to follow DUI laws as well. I'm hoping the General Assembly will do something to discourage the farming conglomerates on the Shore from hiring illegals, which should help the situation somewhat.

Gabz - You're local to that area; How do things look from your perspective?

28 posted on 12/31/2005 10:02:14 AM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: gubamyster

ping


29 posted on 12/31/2005 10:02:48 AM PST by DumpsterDiver
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To: hsalaw
My thought exactly. We passed the same "no benefits for illegals" law here in CA, only to have it immediately struck down by the 9th Circus.

Praise the Lord that the Old Dominion is not under the jurisdiction of such a bunch of clowns. The 4th Circuit has proven to be extremely conservative, so hopefully we'll luck out.

30 posted on 12/31/2005 10:03:28 AM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: Condor51
Lighten up, Francis.

I hadn't seen it.

31 posted on 12/31/2005 10:04:12 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: High Cotton

Preventing illegal aliens from receiving Medicaid only punishes the doctors and hospitals, not the illegals. The illegals continue to receive medical care at Virginia hospitals: it's federal law that the hospital can't turn them away if they show up in the ER complaining of a headache or a term pregnancy, an owie finger or a myocardial infarction. The hospitals provide them with state-of-the-art health care without discrimination, but then won't get paid by Medicaid. And then everybody's surprised when the hospitals go bankrupt and close their doors. Then nobody gets treatment.


32 posted on 12/31/2005 10:05:46 AM PST by Capriole (I don't have any problems that can't be solved by more chocolate or more ammunition.)
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To: High Cotton

This isn't over yet. The libs and ACLU haven't taken it to court yet. I'll be waiting for the follow up....


33 posted on 12/31/2005 10:07:32 AM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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To: High Cotton
Georgia's doing better than that.

As of January 1, 2006, we're going back to having to have citizenship verified by a Certified BIRTH CERTIFICATE. Xeroxed copies won't work any longer.

AND we make a copy and put it in the case record along with a copy of the Social Security card.

We'll still give Emergency Medical Assistance, but only for a Prior Month and no longer 'ongoing' for a pregnant woman.

Lots of changes. Welcome to Paradigm World.
34 posted on 12/31/2005 10:09:19 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (In Memory of Crockett Nicolas, hit and run in the prime of his Cocker Spaniel life, 9/3/05.)
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To: High Cotton

Bump for later.


35 posted on 12/31/2005 10:10:27 AM PST by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: teenyelliott

Things have changed on Michael Chertoff's watch. Even if you are legal, there are a lot of things that you have to do now to prove that you're legal, that you've committed no crimes, etc.. Having a social security no. doesn't guarantee that you'll be able to buy a house. There are now a lot of cross-checks built into the process that weren't there before. The Department of Homeland Security is, at least in some aspects, doing a great job.


36 posted on 12/31/2005 10:13:53 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: mtbopfuyn
Yes, Virginia, there are fake Social Security cards.

And fake ones supplied by the state. - Tom

source tech.mit.edu archives
FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 1, 1989

Illegal aliens now ineligible for welfare
Governor Michael Dukakis said Wednesday that the state will stop issuing dummy social security numbers to illegal immigrants, a practice that had enabled the immi- grants to get millions of dollars in state welfare benefits.

While federal officials have said that the practice is per- fectly legal, Dukakis stated that the state could no longer afford it. Muriel- Heilburger of the Massachusetts Immi- grant and Refugee Coalition called the move a tragic re- treat from the state's commitment to help refugees.

37 posted on 12/31/2005 10:18:55 AM PST by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Capriole
Preventing illegal aliens from receiving Medicaid only punishes the doctors and hospitals, not the illegals. The illegals continue to receive medical care at Virginia hospitals: it's federal law that the hospital can't turn them away if they show up in the ER complaining of a headache or a term pregnancy, an owie finger or a myocardial infarction.

That just means the next step would be for the states to encourage hospitals to disobey that federal "law", as it's blatantly unconstitutional.

38 posted on 12/31/2005 10:19:40 AM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: definitelynotaliberal
Having a social security no. doesn't guarantee that you'll be able to buy a house

I must respectfully disagree with you. Hubby is a real estate appraiser. It happens all the time ( hubby will not play along), because there are brokers out there who will do anything for a buck, and banks who will look the other way too. It's all about the mighty dollar, my friend.

We have a friend here in town who is kind of the Godfather of the Mexican community. I am amazed to see how mainstream illegals have become, and very, very few people give a damn.

I am also very good friends with the go to guy for Vietnamese immigrants. Interesting differences between the two communities. The Vietnamese community has tremendous respect for the law, and I have never met an illegal Vietnamese immigrant. And, they work their butts off, they learn English, and they go to college.

Intersting differences, and one that has certainly influenced my views on this subject.

39 posted on 12/31/2005 10:24:25 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: inquest
When the illegals apply for perks, they should be deported right away.

While I am all in favor of this law, what is to prevent from some corrupt judge from overturning it? In Arizona, for example, a judge ordered the state to provide more money for schools but also ordered the schools to graduate select students (Hispanics?) even though they failed to pass required tests.

40 posted on 12/31/2005 10:25:48 AM PST by Dante3
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To: High Cotton
?...Virginia denies benefits to illegals ?

Tells them to go home or to Boulder, Colorado?

41 posted on 12/31/2005 10:25:56 AM PST by maestro
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To: Capriole
Preventing illegal aliens from receiving Medicaid only punishes the doctors and hospitals, not the illegals. The illegals continue to receive medical care at Virginia hospitals: it's federal law that the hospital can't turn them away if they show up in the ER complaining of a headache or a term pregnancy, an owie finger or a myocardial infarction. The hospitals provide them with state-of-the-art health care without discrimination, but then won't get paid by Medicaid. And then everybody's surprised when the hospitals go bankrupt and close their doors. Then nobody gets treatment.

Yeah - The waiting rooms at every emergency center in Northern Virginia are always packed with Mexicans coughing, with very little evidence of an injury that would be considered an "emergency." When the hospitals determine that it's not a true emergency, I think they're allowed to bill the patient - but very few "patients" pay for the services rendered, thus passing the bill on to people who use the hospital's services lawfully. I do think the hospitals are allowed to pass this loss on to the Federal government, under recent legislation passed by Congress, but I may be wrong...

42 posted on 12/31/2005 10:26:32 AM PST by detsaoT (run bsd)
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To: teenyelliott

Thanks, I appreciate both the respect and the view point. I just closed on a house yesterday and the process was a whole lot different than my previous home buying experience. I'm a permanent resident alien, not a citizen yet. I certainly felt the difference in scrutiny. I welcomed it and applaud MC, but I do realize that there's a lot that I don't know.


43 posted on 12/31/2005 10:33:57 AM PST by definitelynotaliberal
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To: Dante3
While I am all in favor of this law, what is to prevent from some corrupt judge from overturning it?

Arizona's Prop 200 is still standing, isn't it?

44 posted on 12/31/2005 10:47:53 AM PST by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: High Cotton
Image hosted by Photobucket.com what a concept...
45 posted on 12/31/2005 10:52:50 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: Brilliant

Pandering or not, it's a good move. Now if the Feds will just sign on.


46 posted on 12/31/2005 11:05:39 AM PST by 308MBR (Not only older, but bolder. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
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To: definitelynotaliberal

I suppose it probably depends on the lender. Congratulations!


47 posted on 12/31/2005 11:19:53 AM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Sister_T
Wonder how long it will last before some activist liberal judge strikes it down?

Courts re-open on Tuesday..

48 posted on 12/31/2005 11:22:12 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: High Cotton; Borax Queen; TheLion

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Finally, someone exercises some guts and good sense.

49 posted on 12/31/2005 11:28:09 AM PST by sweetliberty (Stupidity should make you sterile.)
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To: sweetliberty

Wow! Very good!


50 posted on 12/31/2005 11:36:19 AM PST by Borax Queen
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