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The Quest For Immortality
CBS News-60 Minutes ^ | 1/1/2006

Posted on 01/02/2006 5:44:29 AM PST by Neville72

(CBS) How’s this for an offer you can’t refuse: how would you like to live say, 400 or 500 years, or even more and all of them in perfect health? It’s both a Utopian and a nightmare scenario but there are those who say it is well within the realm of possibility.

Though we live longer and healthier lives than our grandparents, 100 is more or less the outer limit because, catastrophic disease aside, we just plain wear out. But 60 Minutes correspondent Morley Safer talked to one scientist who says that’s old-fashioned thinking, that sometime in the next 20 to 30 years or so we’ll be able to recondition ourselves for the first steps towards immortality.

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TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; immortality

1 posted on 01/02/2006 5:44:30 AM PST by Neville72
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To: Neville72
Though we live longer and healthier lives than our grandparents, 100 is more or less the outer limit because, catastrophic disease aside, we just plain wear out. But 60 Minutes correspondent Morley Safer

Boy, talk about unintended irony.

2 posted on 01/02/2006 5:48:34 AM PST by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: eyespysomething

If I'm immortal then I don't think any amount of investment or savings will cover me to retire at 50. And I've got to say, after the first 200 years or so of showing up at the office, I'd have to seriously consider eating the barrel of a gun.

Besides, I love my wife but at some point I'm going to be looking at that 238-year-old woman I'm married to and thinking, "Goodness I could go for a 20 year old right about now."

I'll just keep my mortality.


3 posted on 01/02/2006 5:58:18 AM PST by SittinYonder (That's how I saw it, and see it still.)
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To: Neville72

The annuity industry won't stand for this.


4 posted on 01/02/2006 5:59:06 AM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: Neville72

Hundreds of years old? Isn't that just a myth from a book of fairy tales?


5 posted on 01/02/2006 6:05:41 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: billorites

And we think there are problems with Social Security now...


6 posted on 01/02/2006 6:05:41 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: SittinYonder

Reconditioning ourselves for immortality?

Gotta get to heaven at some point.

BTW- What makes you think your wife will want to keep a 233 yr old man around anyway?


7 posted on 01/02/2006 6:05:43 AM PST by eyespysomething (This space intentionally left blank......oh crud)
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To: Neville72
And de Grey acknowledges that immortality will not be cheap. "We are talking about serious expenditure here. We are talking about expenditure in excess of what's being spent on the war in Iraq, for example."

No matter what the article's topic, the MSM can find a way to slip in a criticism of the Iraq war. Now, the war is responsible for the premature deaths of billions of people who never came near the war zone.

8 posted on 01/02/2006 6:09:17 AM PST by Constitutionalist Conservative (Have you visited http://c-pol.blogspot.com?)
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To: Neville72

I see my dad tired and stooped over at age 72 I do not think I want to be in that candition at 272.


9 posted on 01/02/2006 6:10:58 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

If you were still in danger of being tired and stooped over you wouldn't make it to 272.

Check this article out.

http://www.kurzweilai.net/meme/frame.html?main=memelist.html?m=5%23554


10 posted on 01/02/2006 6:18:19 AM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Neville72

-His day job is managing a fruit fly database. -

Case closed.


11 posted on 01/02/2006 6:20:15 AM PST by AmericanChef
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To: SittinYonder

I don't think anyone is going to force you to take longevity treatments so don't get too anxious.


12 posted on 01/02/2006 6:25:29 AM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: AmericanChef

They use fruit flies in longevity studies because they have a very short life span.


13 posted on 01/02/2006 6:27:48 AM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Neville72
"From an evolutionary perspective, we're designed to make it,...

Designed to evolve? That's a weird way of making a statement about evolution.

Yet, it's strange how each species is "designed/evolved" to "wear out" after a predetermined life span.

If one specie had ever evolved into an ageless creature wouldn't all life as we know it would become extinct due to overcrowding? Isn't that what immortality will lead to?

14 posted on 01/02/2006 6:33:30 AM PST by Noachian (To control the courts the people must first control their Congress.)
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To: Neville72

Last I heard, you can still buy a copy of the KJ bible for five or six dollars in stores. I still prefer that version of immortality...


15 posted on 01/02/2006 6:34:19 AM PST by darkocean
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To: darkocean

Thank you very much. I'd rather see people focused on their souls and minds. Want imortality? Consider good works. Now that's a legacy.


16 posted on 01/02/2006 6:37:15 AM PST by timsbella (Mark Steyn for Prime Minister of Canada!)
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To: Neville72

I have a new doctor who precribed Lisinopril 10mg for a BP of 148/104; after reading the list of possible side-effects, I'm having a hard time deciding which is the greater risk - taking the meds or living with the condition.

Maybe I can just worry about it forever.


17 posted on 01/02/2006 6:50:36 AM PST by Old Professer (Fix the problem, not the blame!)
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To: Noachian
Yet, it's strange how each species is "designed/evolved" to "wear out" after a predetermined life span. If one specie had ever evolved into an ageless creature wouldn't all life as we know it would become extinct due to overcrowding? Isn't that what immortality will lead to?

Don't forget about sharks. They have no ageing process or predetermined lifespan.

18 posted on 01/02/2006 6:51:07 AM PST by River_Wrangler (Nothing difficult is ever easy!)
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To: Durus

"I don't think anyone is going to force you to take longevity treatments so don't get too anxious."

Very true. Can't imagine anyone being forced to submit to treatments they didn't desire. That said, I find it even more unlikely that many people would choose to die of cancer, heart attack, stroke or organ failure when the technology is there to prevent them.

200 years ago life expectancy was 35, 100 years ago it was 48. Most people didn't refuse antibiotic treatment once it became available which radically extended life expectancy and people fifteen or twenty years from now won't refuse treatment that repairs or replaces failing organs or genetically prevents the onset of cancer.

For a look at what the near future(15-20 years)may hold take a listen to this presentation Ray Kurzweil recently gave to the Council on Foreign Relations. (Nov. 2005)

Fascinating stuff.


http://www.cfr.org/publication/9431/exponentially_expanding_future_from_exponentially_shrinking_technology.html?breadcrumb=default


19 posted on 01/02/2006 6:51:08 AM PST by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
To me this whole business is a sales pitch for a ton of grant money, a torrent of grant money. De Gray's dream is not "immortality" but power and riches.

"....de Grey acknowledges that immortality will not be cheap. "We are talking about serious expenditure here. We are talking about expenditure in excess of what's being spent on the war in Iraq, for example."

Many people will believe (at least tell themselves that they believe) any absurdity to gain prestige, fame, and tons of money. De Gray is one such, and the Global Warming pushers are another.

20 posted on 01/02/2006 8:02:51 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Neville72

This whole business is nothing but the Siren's song. OK, "marketing", the sale of sizzle instead of steak. People will buy any darned thing.

Old quote, forget from whom, "Humans are not rational but rationalizing animals."


21 posted on 01/02/2006 8:08:30 AM PST by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: Neville72

ping


22 posted on 01/02/2006 8:12:37 AM PST by ConservativeVoice
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To: Neville72

I remember in the mid 1970s reading an article in Science Digest about the advances being made in the sciences of longevity and how in 20 or 30 years scientests will have figured out how to stop it. I'm sure that similar articles can be found in publications from the 50s, 30s and earlier.


23 posted on 01/02/2006 8:15:52 AM PST by Bubba_Leroy (What did Rather know and when did he know it?)
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To: Neville72
The ancient Chinese aristocracy became obsessed with the quest for an elixer vitae which would enable the consumer to extend his life expectancy. Many of these fanciful draughts enabled their consumers to quickly answer the question "Is there an afterlife?"
24 posted on 01/02/2006 8:38:08 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (My exit strategy is Victory.)
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To: Neville72
Kurzweil bothers me. He is so enamored with creating a "singularity" in the future he ignores the grave examples of those that have tried to create it in the past. Singularity, or more accurately, Utopia, are very dangerous things to quest for.
25 posted on 01/02/2006 12:17:27 PM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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To: Iris7

The quote is from Lazarus Long, Robert Heinlein's fictional character, who by the way was over 2500 years old when he uttered it. In the future, humans will live longer, more productive lives. Healthy old people will be quite able to work for a living and will not need an old age pension. They also will spend a fraction as much on preventive measures as the reactive measures (coronary bypass surgery, nursing home care, etc.) that we spend now. If you don't want to live a longer, healthier life, that's your personal choice. However, I have a lot of things left to do and need at least another 50 years to do them. I was an early adherent to radical life extension therapies and have spent over $80,000 on them over the past 27 years. If they work on me like they work on lab rats, I'll have that additional 50 years.


26 posted on 01/02/2006 3:14:36 PM PST by darth
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To: darth
Ok you've got me curious. What does 80k buy you?
27 posted on 01/02/2006 6:30:51 PM PST by Durus ("Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." JFK)
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