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Haslett the latest victim on NFL's 'Black Monday'
wwltv.com ^ | 01/02/06 | AP

Posted on 01/02/2006 12:41:11 PM PST by Ellesu

SAN ANTONIO -- The Saints fired coach Jim Haslett on Monday, the day after ending a 3-13 season overshadowed by the hurricane that devastated New Orleans and forced the team to abandon the city.

Haslett was 45-51 in six seasons with the Saints and had the second-most victories in team history behind Jim Mora's 93.

Saints spokesman Greg Bensel said Jim Haslett was relieved of his duties Monday morning, and that general manager Mickey Loomis would discuss the situation at a news conference.

Haslett, 50, wasn't expected to attend the news conference.

Haslett, the 2000 NFL Coach of the Year after leading the Saints to the only playoff victory in team history, had one year left on his contract. He was 45-51 in six seasons with New Orleans and had the second-most victories in team history behind Jim Mora's 93.

New Orleans hasn't had a winning season since 2002, and this year was marred before it even began. The Saints were forced from their city when Hurricane Katrina blasted the Gulf Coast in August, moving their training camp to San Antonio, then playing four home games in Baton Rouge, La., three in San Antonio and one in New Jersey.

New Orleans opened the season with an emotional win at Carolina, but finished by losing 11 of 12, including Sunday's season-ending 27-13 defeat at Tampa Bay.

The turmoil surrounding the Saints slowly took its toll on them.

Their practice site changed frequently because of previously scheduled events in the Alamodome, and their locker room was part of a high school baseball complex. Players voiced their frustrations, and receiver Joe Horn was a frequent critic of the league.

"This is not a 3-13 football team. They've been through a lot," Haslett said after the loss to Tampa Bay.

Haslett never followed up his fast start in New Orleans. Although they had just two losing seasons, the Saints never returned to the playoffs under Haslett after 2000. They were 9-4 and appeared headed for the postseason in 2002 before losing their last three. New Orleans was 8-8 the past two seasons.

Haslett broke in as an NFL coach working with linebackers with the Los Angeles Raiders in 1993 before his first stint with the Saints in 1995-96. He was the defensive coordinator his second year with the Saints and for three seasons with Pittsburgh from 1997-99.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: blackmonday; jimhaslett; nfl; nosaints; sports; tombenson
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1 posted on 01/02/2006 12:41:13 PM PST by Ellesu
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To: CajunConservative

2 posted on 01/02/2006 12:42:16 PM PST by Ellesu (www.thedeadpelican.com)
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To: Ellesu

Down they go.... up to 9 vacancies this time around in the NFL. I thought the worst fire was Mike Tice. He was dealt several bad hands and made a run at the playoffs anyway. He should get another gig quickly...


3 posted on 01/02/2006 12:43:20 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democratic Party = Surrender Party)
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To: Ellesu

So far it's been curtains for Haslett, Capers, and every coach named Mike!


4 posted on 01/02/2006 12:44:29 PM PST by The Lumster
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To: The Lumster
...and every coach named Mike!

Not Mike Holmgren.

5 posted on 01/02/2006 12:45:39 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democratic Party = Surrender Party)
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To: Ellesu

He got dealt a bad hand this year, but NO has sucked for years, and they've traded away any talent they had.


6 posted on 01/02/2006 12:45:54 PM PST by LS
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To: LS

Do not forget their best player was Deuce and he was injury before the season even started....


7 posted on 01/02/2006 12:51:58 PM PST by Paul8148
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To: CurlyBill
I thought the worst fire was Mike Tice.

Sure a coach with the Tice's stellar W/L record and the way he has run such a classy program should get ... oh wait ..

8 posted on 01/02/2006 12:56:49 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: Ellesu

Buffalo's opportunity to pick up a better coach. Come to think of it, he could play and improve the team.


9 posted on 01/02/2006 12:58:42 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Paul8148
All these guys get canned and the Lions gave President/GM Matt Millen (21-59 in five years)a four year extension.

Of course the Lions are owned by Dumb (William Clay Ford, Jr.) and Dumber (William Clay Ford. Sr.).
10 posted on 01/02/2006 12:59:37 PM PST by BW2221
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To: CurlyBill

yeah - I guess Holmgren is safe for now but wasn't it just last year they were ready to ride him outta town on a rail?


11 posted on 01/02/2006 1:12:56 PM PST by The Lumster
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To: PMCarey
Sure a coach with the Tice's stellar W/L record and the way he has run such a classy program should get ... oh wait ..

WTF???? How can he be responsible for what Fred Smoot does off the field???? He went 26-22 over three seasons despite key injuries, having a low budget for a staff, etc, etc, etc.

12 posted on 01/02/2006 1:19:30 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democratic Party = Surrender Party)
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To: BW2221

Unbelievable, that they would extend Millen like that.

Now the one good thing the Lions need to do is bring in Martz as Offensive Coordinator, not as a head coach.


13 posted on 01/02/2006 1:24:17 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator
I agree. Martz is a good OC, but not a good head coach.
14 posted on 01/02/2006 1:35:15 PM PST by BW2221
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To: LS

I never liked Haslett, but if we could trade the owner away we would be in even better shape. What kind of coach can NO expect to get now, other than a desperate one.


16 posted on 01/02/2006 2:06:37 PM PST by gbaker
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To: CurlyBill
He should get another gig quickly...

I hope you are kidding. That was probably the only head coaching gig he'll ever get in the NFL.

17 posted on 01/02/2006 2:07:31 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: Ellesu
This is not a 3-13 football team.

Yes they are. They lost 13 and won 3.

18 posted on 01/02/2006 2:07:49 PM PST by freedumb2003 (American troops cannot be defeated. American Politicians can.)
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To: gbaker
What kind of coach can NO expect to get now, other than a desperate one.

That's about it. Probably a current NFL assistant. Can't say who.

19 posted on 01/02/2006 2:11:56 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: gbaker
The three worst owners in the NFL (in no particular order):
- The New Orleaqns car dealer (Saints)
- The Fords (Lions)
- The Bidwells (Cardinals)

No trips to the Super Bowl and three playoff wins between them in the past 25 years.
20 posted on 01/02/2006 2:20:19 PM PST by BW2221
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To: CurlyBill
WTF???? How can he be responsible for what Fred Smoot does off the field????

What? Was Fred Smoot scalping Superbowl tickets too?

He went 26-22 over three seasons despite key injuries, having a low budget for a staff, etc, etc, etc.

Get your facts straight. 33-33 over four seasons with only one post-season appearance and no North Division titles. Every coach has to deal with injuries, etc. There was no reason to expect that Tice's Vikings were ever going to get better than a 0.500-level squad with occasional appearance in the post-season. That ain't good enough.

21 posted on 01/02/2006 2:22:17 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: Uhhuh35

Howz' that old saying go? There's only two kinds of coaches in the NFL:
Just Fired
Soon to be Fired.

Unless your last name is Cower.


22 posted on 01/02/2006 2:27:22 PM PST by Trinity5
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To: PMCarey

The best way to describe Tice as an NFL head coach, is that he's playing checkers while the coach on the other side of the field is playing chess.


23 posted on 01/02/2006 2:29:14 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: BW2221
Prior to the storm the sports news was whether Benson would take the team and leave NO. If I'd been negotiating I'd told him the Superdome gets renovated when the Saints reach the super bowl (wouldn't care if they won). What's he going to do - leave? So what the way the fans have supported the Aints we'd have another team in a few years.
24 posted on 01/02/2006 2:38:22 PM PST by gbaker
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To: PMCarey

The current playoff teams didn't lose their ProBowl starting quarterback to a season ending injury. Not to mention the Vikings are still 20 mil under the cap. Tice was handicapped since day 1 with the organization. It is simply unfair to rip his performance without pointing those factors out.


25 posted on 01/02/2006 2:38:43 PM PST by miliantnutcase
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To: gbaker
The owner business is something of a bogeyman. You ought to see the Dallas Cowboy BBs about how stupid Jerry Jones is (who has more Super Bowl rings than any other owner alive except Kraft). Even Bob Kraft was a dunce before he got lucky with Belichek and Brady. Lions, Cardinals, SF fans all think their owners suck. The only fans who don't take this point of view is when owners like little Danny Snyder spend money like he's the UN in a Third World country. They used to complain about PHX Suns owner Jerry Colangelo---who managed to get the team to the NBA finals twice in 25 years, but was in the playoffs almost every year, often in the conference championships.

I'm more of a blame the players and coaches guy.

26 posted on 01/02/2006 3:04:47 PM PST by LS
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To: miliantnutcase

Culpepper is heinously overrated.


27 posted on 01/02/2006 3:09:23 PM PST by Per-Ling
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To: PMCarey

Fred Smoot was responsible for the stripper cruise. Mike Tice went 9-7, 8-8, and 9-7 over the last three seasons.... that's 26-22.... which was my point... my facts are straight. He did damn well with what he had.


28 posted on 01/02/2006 3:09:41 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democratic Party = Surrender Party)
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To: BW2221
i'm watching the notre dame/ohio st game and they did a segment of the new cardinals stadium where the next fiesta bowl will be played. all i can ask myself is how in the world can a team as sorry as the cardinals get a new stadium
29 posted on 01/02/2006 4:55:24 PM PST by mfnorman
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To: gbaker
I never liked Haslett, but if we could trade the owner away we would be in even better shape. What kind of coach can NO expect to get now, other than a desperate one.

I'm sending them my aplication. I figure if I get the whole team to improve their free throw percentage we'll be good to go.

30 posted on 01/02/2006 5:06:27 PM PST by bad company (A foolproof plan fails to take in to account the Ingenuity of fools.)
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To: miliantnutcase
The current playoff teams didn't lose their ProBowl starting quarterback to a season ending injury.

They actually played better WITHOUT Culpepper. He was a turnover/interception machine in the games that he did play.

Not to mention the Vikings are still 20 mil under the cap. Tice was handicapped since day 1 with the organization. It is simply unfair to rip his performance without pointing those factors out.

Fine, you've pointed them out. Now try to point out what he has done in the past four years that justify him keeping his job. His best regular season record is 9-7 with 1-1 in the playoffs. Not good enough.

31 posted on 01/02/2006 5:12:01 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: CurlyBill
Mike Tice went 9-7, 8-8, and 9-7 over the last three seasons.... that's 26-22.... which was my point... my facts are straight. He did damn well with what he had.

??? Oh I see you want to ignore the 6-10 season. You might also want to ignore the Vikings pathetic road record, it'll make his record look even better. By why bother? Everyone can see what a towering achievement a 9-7 season is.

32 posted on 01/02/2006 5:14:53 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: PMCarey; CurlyBill

As a Bears fan I am sincerely sorry to see Mike Tice go.

BTW, the ticket-scalping episode was hillarious!


33 posted on 01/02/2006 5:18:24 PM PST by wolf24 ("go away you hanky-stompin' liberals.......")
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To: wolf24
As a Bears fan I am sincerely sorry to see Mike Tice go.

As a Packer fan, I felt the same way regarding Wannstedt and Jauron. You have a good coach now, darn it.

34 posted on 01/02/2006 5:51:46 PM PST by PMCarey
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To: PMCarey

"As a Packer fan, I felt the same way regarding Wannstedt and Jauron. You have a good coach now, darn it."

lol regarding Wanny and Jauron. Jauron was absolutely terrible----worse than Wanny if that's possible.

It sound like you guys might be getting K. Ferentz from University of Iowa.


35 posted on 01/02/2006 5:56:11 PM PST by wolf24 ("go away you hanky-stompin' liberals.......")
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To: LS
The only fans who don't take this point of view is when owners like little Danny Snyder spend money like he's the UN in a Third World country.
Larry, nobody -- n-o-b-o-d-y -- here in DC was happy with Danny Boy, no matter how much money he spent on Lavar, Coles, Deion, Bruce Smith... and all the other disasters. The farce was self-evident from day one.

The only reason anyone is tolerating Danny Boy this year is not because of Gibbs but because some genuis in marketing finally figured out that the best way to salvage his public image is to hide him under a tarp. Not a word from the bastard all year.

36 posted on 01/02/2006 5:59:46 PM PST by nicollo (All economics are politics)
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To: dfwgator

The Lions already have a good OC - Greg Olson(sp?), who took over the job when Mooch was canned.


37 posted on 01/02/2006 6:02:13 PM PST by TheEditor
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To: BW2221

The Fords have not been *successful* owners(and I include the younger one now), but they are indeed good owners. They give the guys they hire plenty of freedom and do not run a cheap outfit.

For many years the Lions have been known as just about the best franchise in the league for assistant coaches. Good pay, top bennies, moving allowances, etc.

The Fords just can't hire the right guys, that's all.

If Monte Clark could have learned to be himself, he might have done very very well here. One of the top NFL minds of the last 35 years.


38 posted on 01/02/2006 6:06:47 PM PST by TheEditor
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To: LS

In post 6 I mentioned I didn't like Haslett. I didn't care for the Dikta (sp?) selection as a coach a few years back. Basically the Saints need anther Jim Finks. Unfortunately they're few and far between.

Heck if I was Benson I'd keep Haslett simply because I'd know I couldn't get anybody worth anything. I solve my Saint problems by not watching the 2 half. Better on my blood pressure.


39 posted on 01/02/2006 6:35:35 PM PST by gbaker
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To: PMCarey

Well, every coach is judged on what they've done lately... The Vikings organization is a wreck. Funny thing is.... you are one of only a few that has considered this a good fire. Just about every football analyst I've heard has praised Tice for what he was able to accomplish with what little he had.


40 posted on 01/02/2006 8:04:06 PM PST by CurlyBill (Democratic Party = Surrender Party)
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To: nicollo
Gotta say, my stomach went into a knot when I heard he was getting Gibbs, because Gibbs constantly beat the Cowboys until Jimmy came.

Long term, though, I think you have problems with Arrington and Taylor, not to mention the absence of a QB.

41 posted on 01/03/2006 6:48:47 AM PST by LS
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To: SteveJudd

Hehehe. He's universally hated in Dallas, too :)


43 posted on 01/03/2006 11:37:16 AM PST by LS
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To: LS
Hehehe. He's universally hated in Dallas, too :)

Yep. He's not unlike our own Jerry Jones, is he?

44 posted on 01/03/2006 11:47:40 AM PST by al_c
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To: BW2221; dfwgator

I think Martz is highly overrated. Anyone who thinks he was the mastermind behind the Rams Superbowl got conned. Martz is a stubborn fool who learned from Vermeil, not the other way around. Martz somehow believed that he did not have to run the ball when he took over and therefore exposed his whole offense, especially the QBs, which he wears out in record time.


45 posted on 01/03/2006 11:52:27 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: SteveJudd
Or, in the short run the Skins are a little up on the Boys. In the longer run, the Boys look a little better.

Personally, I think the Cowboys are about two pro-bowl guards and a FS away from a Super Bowl with what they have.

48 posted on 01/03/2006 12:28:04 PM PST by LS
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To: GLDNGUN; gbaker; LS
"What kind of coach can NO expect to get now...?"


49 posted on 01/03/2006 12:33:41 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Ellesu; CurlyBill; mainepatsfan

Too bad.

Hey I'll bet you won't see Bill Belichick naming anymore "coordinators" after his staff was decimated last year. That guy doesn't make the same mistake twice and it will be a long time before he ever gets fired from his job.


50 posted on 01/03/2006 12:39:30 PM PST by Radix
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